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Recommendations for Schools that do not require the GRE


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#1 miaalmeda

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:47 PM

Hi everyone,

I've been trying to find schools that do not require the GRE for psychology applications. So far, I only know of Teachers College as one of the universities that meets this condition. It would really help if you could suggest others. I'm just trying to keep my options open :)


Thanks in advance! :)
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#2 neuropsych76

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:22 PM

What types of programs are you looking for? Psychology phd? It's very rare to find PhD programs that do no have a GRE requirement and I would suggest not to apply to those schools. It's nice to have options but you don't want to go to a less than reputable school just because there was no GRE requirement!
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:47 PM

I've been looking at a Master's Degree in Psychology with an educational track (such as Developmental Psychology or Neuroscience in Education). Yes, I completely agree with you about not compromising the quality of education just because of the GRE requirement :) I'm just trying to work around my predicament. I recently took the GREs and obtained low scores (mid-500s). And of course, there's also the option of taking the GRE again, but i also realized that there are still reputable schools that are not as stringent with these conditions. As i mentioned earlier, Teachers College seems to be one of them. Perhaps, you could make other recommendations? I'm just really exploring all possible options before going through the arduous task of studying for the GRE again. I figured it wouldn't hurt just to explore this other option first :)
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:05 PM

Yeah, hate to break your heart, it is extremely doubtful from my experience of grad school searching to find any schools that do not require the GRE for a psychology Phd. or even a Masters. I would recommend dedicating yourself to studying for the GRE once again, if you dedicate yourself to studying really hard, then there is no reason (this is my opinion course) why you shouldn't see an improvement in your score. a mid 600s scores could greatly improve your grad school prospects.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:02 AM

Yeah, hate to break your heart, it is extremely doubtful from my experience of grad school searching to find any schools that do not require the GRE for a psychology Phd. or even a Masters. I would recommend dedicating yourself to studying for the GRE once again, if you dedicate yourself to studying really hard, then there is no reason (this is my opinion course) why you shouldn't see an improvement in your score. a mid 600s scores could greatly improve your grad school prospects.


yes I would take a year off and study for the GRE while working on getting some research pub/presentation. My friend got a 1150 or so the first time, studied the entire summer and got 1350 the second time around.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 02:42 AM

I wouldn't be so quick to judge, though.
NYU has a great MA in Mental Health Counseling and does not require the GRE. Additionally, University of Toronto offers an MA and PhD program in Counseling Psyc and does not require the GRE. I think Long Island Uni doesn't require it either. Those are just a few. They're out there!
I don't see it as a measure of a program's greatness...there are just certain faculties who do not believe that the GRE is a true measure of success in Grad School (based on research), so they don't require it for admission.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:33 AM

I wouldn't be so quick to judge, though.
NYU has a great MA in Mental Health Counseling and does not require the GRE. Additionally, University of Toronto offers an MA and PhD program in Counseling Psyc and does not require the GRE. I think Long Island Uni doesn't require it either. Those are just a few. They're out there!
I don't see it as a measure of a program's greatness...there are just certain faculties who do not believe that the GRE is a true measure of success in Grad School (based on research), so they don't require it for admission.


GRE is the probably the best predictor of graduate success... what research have you found that shown otherwise?

Edited by donnyz89, 08 September 2011 - 12:33 AM.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:06 PM


GRE is the probably the best predictor of graduate success... what research have you found that shown otherwise?

Not sure why the downvotes, there is data on this, even if people don't like it. GRE is just as predictive as GPA. In-person interviews (which many people think are predictive) are actually the travesty; they are not predictive beyond the paper record.

With two BIG caveats for the GRE data I've seen:

1. It was produced by ETS and there could be a conflict of interest.

2. It is very hard to measure "graduate success" in a way that is reliable and convenient. The studies I've seen used first-year GPA, which is only a small component of grad school.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 06:01 PM


GRE is the probably the best predictor of graduate success... what research have you found that shown otherwise?


See, while I think the GRE can be useful for predicting dedication and certain aspects of intelligence, I don't think it's a measure of graduate success. Let's face it, being able to do basic high school math and knowing a few obscure words does not mean you're going to succeed in life.
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Posted 09 September 2011 - 10:16 PM

This is anecdotal... but I've always heard of studies that have shown of the unimportance of the GRE as a predictor of graduate success
I'm up in Canada though, and I know we probably have slightly different attitudes than America about this

The more Iook at this topic the more I think that this poster should re-take the GREs (whether or not they predict grad success) because it limits the poster's options significantly, and the poster should probably apply to the best fitting schools if they want to go to grad school, right?
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 07:12 PM


GRE is the probably the best predictor of graduate success... what research have you found that shown otherwise?


Actually, an old 1997 Cornell University study did not find a strong correlation between the GRE and ultimate grad school success.http://www.news.corn....study.ssl.html (Though, as you may suspect, other studies indicate otherwise). For professionals who have been out of the academic arena and are returning to school, they likely wouldn't score as highly as a 22-year-old recent graduate, yet they certainly have the intellect, experience and maturity to excel. It is a presumptuous, and dare I say, arrogant attitude to assume that a test score is a measurement of a person's intellect and capabilities.
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 09:43 PM

The more Iook at this topic the more I think that this poster should re-take the GREs (whether or not they predict grad success) because it limits the poster's options significantly, and the poster should probably apply to the best fitting schools if they want to go to grad school, right?

This is the best advice in this thread. Every time somebody asks, "Should I (re)take the GRE?" it devolves into a discussion of the GRE's merits or lack thereof. The fact remains that to get in, you have to buy in to the system. For those who doesn't like the GRE, remember this thread in the future when you're sitting on an admission committee, or making admissions policy for your university. Until then, play the game, take the GRE, and score well, else you're limiting your chances to even get into graduate school.

Interviews ALSO have little ability to predict success in graduate school beyond the written record, but despite this many graduate schools--especially in the U.S.--do in-person interviews before decisions. (See research by Robyn Dawes, e.g., the book "House of Cards".) But I don't see anybody here railing against interviews in the same way they rail against the GRE. Let's see some consistency.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 02:12 AM

The below is the best advice in this thread!
I was just having a conversation about this
This is such a good point, I'm personally going to follow this advice

This is the best advice in this thread. Every time somebody asks, "Should I (re)take the GRE?" it devolves into a discussion of the GRE's merits or lack thereof. The fact remains that to get in, you have to buy in to the system. For those who doesn't like the GRE, remember this thread in the future when you're sitting on an admission committee, or making admissions policy for your university. Until then, play the game, take the GRE, and score well, else you're limiting your chances to even get into graduate school.

Interviews ALSO have little ability to predict success in graduate school beyond the written record, but despite this many graduate schools--especially in the U.S.--do in-person interviews before decisions. (See research by Robyn Dawes, e.g., the book "House of Cards".) But I don't see anybody here railing against interviews in the same way they rail against the GRE. Let's see some consistency.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 02:50 AM

I don't think most schools use interviews to predict grad school success, but rather to choose graduate students they think can fit in well with the department. The prediction of success is what got you to the interview.

The biggest predictors of success in graduate school are you letters of recommendation and your statement of purpose, and the information they contain- your motivation, work ethic, past research experience, publications, etc. GRE and GPA are both fairly poor predictors- it's usually not the coursework that causes people to drop out of graduate school, but rather a lack of motivation or drive, or a lack of research experience.

Just my 2 cents worth on the discussion.

To the OP: Mid-500s aren't great, but they aren't bottom of the barrel either. I think you have a good shot at studying some more, re-taking the exam, and then applying to some mid-tier programs.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 03:01 AM

Not sure why the downvotes, there is data on this, even if people don't like it. GRE is just as predictive as GPA. In-person interviews (which many people think are predictive) are actually the travesty; they are not predictive beyond the paper record.

With two BIG caveats for the GRE data I've seen:

1. It was produced by ETS and there could be a conflict of interest.

2. It is very hard to measure "graduate success" in a way that is reliable and convenient. The studies I've seen used first-year GPA, which is only a small component of grad school.


the same reason why ogranizations don't like to use personnel selection tests but rather intuition and unstructured interviews. Anyways, most people don't think GRE or any standardized scores mean anything, which is fine, but there are not statistically better measure or predictor of grad success. Most research show "intuition", "unstructured interview", and other non-standardized methods of selection are pretty much fail across the board. Not surprised at the thumb downs though.

and people use the word "predictor" so cavalierly... how do you measure personal letter? how do you measure LOR? how can someone say something is a predictor when you can't even measure it?
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:15 AM

Teacher's College is a great school. You may want to also look into an MSW. NYU, Hunter College and Columbia all have Masters of Social Work programs that don't require or place little emphasis on GRE scores. They are great schools and great programs. With an MSW there is a 2 year internship requirement (while you take classes) so it's a little intense. But clinical social work is the same as being a therapist. You may not be a "psychologist" but you can still provide therapy to clients. Social Work programs put little emphasis on GRE scores because they know that there are a variety of factors that can influence a score (you could have just had a bad day or english may not be your first language). They know that GPA is a better predictor of success in graduate school because you have proved that you can do the work. Really, do you need to know the formula to find the length of an arc in a psych graduate program? Probably not.

I have a MS in Education, MSW and MA (psychology). I'm now going for a phd in psychology, but just because I want to continue doing research and publishing.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:31 PM

http://ainsleydiduca...quire-gre/#Psyc There's a large listing there of non GRE required programs.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:12 AM

It's a small crime, but a crime nonetheless to re-animate a long dead thread. So - I'm sorry.

 

But this thread came up when I searched on Google, so for the sake of future readers, don't believe the hype...

 

Almost every major at Oxford doesn't require the GRE - it's not required for London School of Economics (LSE) and by the way, there are more LSE degrees working in Obama's administration today than Harvard, Yale, or any of the big american universities which all require the GRE. For future posters looking for programs that don't require the GRE - look to the UK, also look at all the top rated Canadian schools. Somehow all the huge universities with incredible reputations in Canada like UofT, UBC, York, etc. manage just fine without using the GRE in all their programs.

 

Also, here is a great list of graduate programs that don't require the GRE - including degrees from Columbia, Penn, MIT, UC Berkeley, NYU, and Johns Hopkins: http://ainsleydiduca...ont-require-gre

 

But there's more - I mean... haven't you ever wondered: What is the GRE?

 

1. It's a standardized test. What does it test? Your preparation skills for taking the GRE. Nothing else. And it's a for-profit product, sold alongside expensive tools for learning how to score well on it. If you're smart enough to go to graduate school, that much should be obvious.

 

2. It's also a classic tool used to maintain inequality in a nation with some of the greatest inequality in the so-called developed world/global north/whatever you want to call it.

 

3. It's also a way to save time if you're an admissions committee who, because you work in the U.S., are overworked, and underpaid, and will someday soon likely be made up of nothing but seasonal employees without benefits or rights (once all the tenured faculty are replaced with adjuncts).

 

I'm personally boycotting it. I finished an MA without it, and am planning to do a PhD without it. I will teach and do research without it - and I will always encourage my departments to remove the requirement from admissions processes - as some are now starting to do.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:06 AM

I see your point, but in all honesty its not that hard to study for the GRE and get a halfway decent score and then open up your options to all schools instead of the small window of schools that don't require it (hoping they are a good fit for you).

You seem to have a very poor perception of the GRE. I would guess that you scored poorly on it and now advocate schools that don't require it.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:34 AM

I see your point, but in all honesty its not that hard to study for the GRE and get a halfway decent score and then open up your options to all schools instead of the small window of schools that don't require it (hoping they are a good fit for you).

You seem to have a very poor perception of the GRE. I would guess that you scored poorly on it and now advocate schools that don't require it.

 

Well, you've missed two points.

 

1. I haven't taken it, and won't. Like any standardized test, I choose to boycott it. You assume that I would care if I got a low score on a test which is a test of how well you prepare for a test. I wouldn't. But, as I said I haven't taken it.

 

2. The rest of the world outside the U.S. is not a 'small window' - and on top of that I'm actively NOT interested in programs that use the GRE as a measure of prospective students. That choice says something to me about the program - like coursework, research interests, grad student unionization, etc. So, it's a deciding factor in the fit of the program for me. 


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