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Rejection Thread!

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2 hours ago, beyondnervous said:

I hope this opportunity allows me to become extremely competitive, and get some more publications under my belt. I literally am in AWE at the fact that I would find such an incredible opportunity so soon, but this just attests to the fact that THERE IS LIFE AFTER REJECTIONS GALS/GUYS (LOL!) and getting in this application round was not in the cards for me (or for those of you who got rejected).

Please feel free to PM me, I am more than happy to share tips about this opportunity or talk about life in general - I want to say I'm fully (emotionally) recovered (LOL SERIOUSLY!) after rejections, so believe me everyone: THIS TOO SHALL PASS! TIME TO GET BETTER AND BECOME THE BEST VERSION OF YOURSELVES BEFORE THE NEXT ROUND! :-) <3

Good to hear from you! I'm not a believer in fate or that "everything happens for a reason," but looking back at where I was when I applied the first time I now realize that I'm in a much better place to be attending graduate school. Unlike you, I wasn't able to find an actual lab position, but instead volunteered at a research lab once a week for almost a year and a half before reapplying. This is totally going to make you the best version of yourself :) It is also proof that there is life after rejections. It's tough for sure, but if you're really set on that Ph.D. it's a bump in the road that can be overcome with time and hard work. 

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2 hours ago, MarineBluePsy said:

@beyondnervous it's good to hear from you!  I'm sorry this application season didn't work out as you'd hoped, but yes there is life after rejection and you can and should try again.  Landing that research job confirms that you are talented and have a place in the field and there will be a PhD program that will see that.  Waiting until Fall 2017 to reapply is not the end of the world if that will allow you to finish this job (I'm guessing its a contract?) without burning any bridges and significantly improve your applications.  My only suggestion would be with this heavy immersion in research don't neglect the clinical side of things.  Even volunteering a few hours a week with a population you're passionate about or one that is completely out in left field for you will show that recognize the importance of clinical experience.

 Yep! Contract based, so my new PI knows I won't be leaving in a year/applying this fall. And thank you for your encouraging words. This position is unique, both clinical research based, so it will allow me to stay connected with the population I've been working with for years (since undergrad). But this is an incredible point and I'm very happy you mentioned it- the importance of clinical experience is CRUCIAL to clinical psychology programs. Some people tend to underestimate the weight of this experience within their applications to some programs :D 

 

5 minutes ago, ihatechoosingusernames said:

Good to hear from you! I'm not a believer in fate or that "everything happens for a reason," but looking back at where I was when I applied the first time I now realize that I'm in a much better place to be attending graduate school. Unlike you, I wasn't able to find an actual lab position, but instead volunteered at a research lab once a week for almost a year and a half before reapplying. This is totally going to make you the best version of yourself :) It is also proof that there is life after rejections. It's tough for sure, but if you're really set on that Ph.D. it's a bump in the road that can be overcome with time and hard work. 

I agree with you completely! It's something along the lines of "taking a minor step back to take 5 steps forward" I guess? But landing this position isn't even a step back, it's a very prestigious position/lab/PI which I am very fortunate to be considered for- I don't even know how to word it correctly LOL. Not getting in this application round sucks for sure, but I'm glad it's over with and I can start fresh/remain competitive for the next application period. This break between undergrad and acceptance will allow me to really put my experiences into perspective and prepare myself until the next round :) 

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On 3/3/2016 at 9:37 PM, ClinicalApplicant07 said:

For those of you that didn't get in this year, what is your plan for the next year? I've been recommended to apply to more schools, add in some counseling psychology programs, and some Psy.D programs. Some professors I've spoken to have said some pretty bad things about Psy.D's but I think it would vary by program. I've seen some great Psy.D programs. I'm also going to try to gain more clinical experience and a few more publications. 

Are you interested in more the clinical or research side? If you are going to apply for PsyD programs I don't think publications are a priority.

A side note, as I've seen many people here apply to programs that were a mix, if you were going to apply to both PsyD and PhD programs then to make sure the PhD programs you are applying to do not have a research focus (clinical-science model of training), that could raise eyebrows. Your apps need to "match up". I only applied to one clinical program out of my four apps and the others were more neuro based and I was asked a lot about why the one clinical program (as I should have been asked since it appears as an odd fit). 

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3 hours ago, Plasticity said:

Are you interested in more the clinical or research side? If you are going to apply for PsyD programs I don't think publications are a priority.

A side note, as I've seen many people here apply to programs that were a mix, if you were going to apply to both PsyD and PhD programs then to make sure the PhD programs you are applying to do not have a research focus (clinical-science model of training), that could raise eyebrows. Your apps need to "match up". I only applied to one clinical program out of my four apps and the others were more neuro based and I was asked a lot about why the one clinical program (as I should have been asked since it appears as an odd fit). 

While I agree that it's important to appear focused, I don't think it's necessary to make sure your applications perfectly "match up" if you have multiple interests or if some of your interests are more flexible depending on whether other criteria are met. For example, I applied to some programs that were more practice-oriented and others that were (much) more research-oriented -- but that's because they all dealt with a particular question/topic I want to work on, and so long as I get to work on that question, the exact balance of research vs. practice isn't too important to me. (Of course it's a different situation if you're *much* more committed to research than to practice, or vice versa, but for those of us who are more in the middle, I think it's fine to apply to a range of programs.)

As far as raising eyebrows -- in general, you'll want to be thoughtful about how you're presenting yourself/your fit to individual programs. While of course you shouldn't lie at any point in the application process, I do think it's okay to selectively offer information to potential programs/advisers. If you have two main but different interests (say, depression and eating disorders), you may want to mention that you applied to x, y, and z depression-focused labs while on an interview for a depression lab, but not mention the eating disorder-focused labs you also applied to. As no one is going to interrogate you and demand that you disclose every single program you applied to, this is perfectly fine. In fact, I had faculty members tell me that it's more than okay to ask letter-writers to tailor their letters to different programs to emphasize your interest/fit for that particular kind of program. So long as you're genuinely interested in all the programs you're applying to, I wouldn't box yourself into one topic/area or one type of program. Besides, you may not even know which fit would be the best for you until you're going on interviews and learning more about the kinds of programs first-hand! (There's only so much you can learn about a program by reading about it before you actually meet and talk with the people in such programs -- I was surprised by how much interviews clarified my priorities for me!) TL;DR: Learn as much as you can about the programs you're applying to and only apply to programs you're genuinely interested in, but if you have multiple interests and/or flexible priorities, don't box yourself into any one thing.

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On 3/19/2016 at 4:17 PM, Plasticity said:

Are you interested in more the clinical or research side? If you are going to apply for PsyD programs I don't think publications are a priority.

A side note, as I've seen many people here apply to programs that were a mix, if you were going to apply to both PsyD and PhD programs then to make sure the PhD programs you are applying to do not have a research focus (clinical-science model of training), that could raise eyebrows. Your apps need to "match up". I only applied to one clinical program out of my four apps and the others were more neuro based and I was asked a lot about why the one clinical program (as I should have been asked since it appears as an odd fit). 

That's great advice, thank you! 

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On 3/20/2016 at 8:00 PM, Applicant 1746 said:

While of course you shouldn't lie at any point in the application process, I do think it's okay to selectively offer information to potential programs/advisers. If you have two main but different interests (say, depression and eating disorders), you may want to mention that you applied to x, y, and z depression-focused labs while on an interview for a depression lab, but not mention the eating disorder-focused labs you also applied to.

Awesome advice, thank you for your input! 

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School: University of Denver

Area: Clinical Psych PsyD

Rationalization: There really isn't one. I know that my individual interview did not go as well as it should have and I have a 3-year gap in my resume from being a stay-at-home mom.

Comment: This one really stings. I'm regionally bound AND this is the best programmatic fit for me. I guess I'll be brushing up a bit over the next year and applying again next year.

Coping tactics: Crying. Looking at jobs and at licensure to start building recent experience again.

 

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School: University of Washington, Texas at Austin, NYU and Penn State U. All for M.A. degree

Area: Developmental Psy/ School Counseling

Rationalization: Lack of research/related experience, I guess. I spent a lot of time with children during my college, 2-year teaching assitant, got involved in volunteer work with kids with sensory integrative dysfunction, Autism and Down's Sydrome, taught the kids in summer/winter camp, observed Play Therapy sessions... But the professor who interviewed me said I 'have very limited experience with children'. I don't know. And maybe my SOP is not good enough. I can work on my test score a little bit more if I want.

Comments: I'm doing some reserach recently and find myself enjoy it a lot, but it's sad when the fact reminds me that I might not be able to study or work in psychology in the future:( 

Coping tactics: Execises, finding jobs and eating lol

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I am serious considering reapplying next year. I have some questions here and hope that I can get some help. Your answer will be appreciated!!

1. About SOP. Should SOP mostly  focus  on why I love this school? That's a suggestion one advisor gave me. I doubt it. My SOP mostly focus on how much I love my major and what I have done. I do have one paragraph describing how my research interest fit the program and the faculty I choose but it seems not enough.

2.About the funding. As I'm applying for master( because I don't think I am qualified for PHD yet lol), I can't get funding in most of the situations. I would like to know how others  deal with this expense issue, taking loans, doing part-time or something else? I‘m not sure the salary my job offer( though I haven't got one yet) can cover my two years expense in the program.

3.About research experience. I'll graduate in June as a bachelor. Most of the research related jobs are only open to person with master's degree so it'll be hard for me to get more research experience to strengthen my appication. What's the suggestion?

I have read through the posts in this topic, most of you guys are amazing! Never give up hope, cheer people up, etc.

I don't know whether it's because of the culture difference, as an international student, I find it a little hard to start over with all these tests, essays and others. I also need to worry about the money thing.. I don't know how you guys going through all these. It's encouraging and I'm sure I'll be fine eventually!

Thank you for puting up with all my words- -

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25 minutes ago, Anniexu said:

I am serious considering reapplying next year. I have some questions here and hope that I can get some help. Your answer will be appreciated!!

1. About SOP. Should SOP mostly  focus  on why I love this school? That's a suggestion one advisor gave me. I doubt it. My SOP mostly focus on how much I love my major and what I have done. I do have one paragraph describing how my research interest fit the program and the faculty I choose but it seems not enough.

2.About the funding. As I'm applying for master( because I don't think I am qualified for PHD yet lol), I can't get funding in most of the situations. I would like to know how others  deal with this expense issue, taking loans, doing part-time or something else? I‘m not sure the salary my job offer( though I haven't got one yet) can cover my two years expense in the program.

3.About research experience. I'll graduate in June as a bachelor. Most of the research related jobs are only open to person with master's degree so it'll be hard for me to get more research experience to strengthen my appication. What's the suggestion?

I have read through the posts in this topic, most of you guys are amazing! Never give up hope, cheer people up, etc.

I don't know whether it's because of the culture difference, as an international student, I find it a little hard to start over with all these tests, essays and others. I also need to worry about the money thing.. I don't know how you guys going through all these. It's encouraging and I'm sure I'll be fine eventually!

Thank you for puting up with all my words- -

Hi! For SOP, here is a great article my advisor gave me for how to break it up: 

https://cms.bsu.edu/-/media/WWW/DepartmentalContent/Psychology/Docs/PersonalStatement.pdf

that format really helped me keep a balance in my SOP. I also changed it for each program, highlighting different experiences for different programs. I got multiple offers for PhD programs, so I guess my SOP wasn't dreadful. 

For research experience, there are several research assistant/research coordinator positions available to those with a bachelors degree. Look at universities, hospitals, etc. A lot of these positions are paid, but some are not. A lot of people who are unsuccessful with their first round of grad school apps take these positions for the very reason you are describing, so there are definitely opportunities out there.

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12 hours ago, Anxiousapplicant01 said:

Hi! For SOP, here is a great article my advisor gave me for how to break it up: 

https://cms.bsu.edu/-/media/WWW/DepartmentalContent/Psychology/Docs/PersonalStatement.pdf

that format really helped me keep a balance in my SOP. I also changed it for each program, highlighting different experiences for different programs. I got multiple offers for PhD programs, so I guess my SOP wasn't dreadful. 

For research experience, there are several research assistant/research coordinator positions available to those with a bachelors degree. Look at universities, hospitals, etc. A lot of these positions are paid, but some are not. A lot of people who are unsuccessful with their first round of grad school apps take these positions for the very reason you are describing, so there are definitely opportunities out there.

Thank you =)

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For everyone planning to apply again next year, I recommend sending feedback request emails to professors where you made it farther than just submitting an application (i.e., email interview, phone/skype interview, in person interview). They can provide very helpful information and advice for your next round. In my case after sending the feedback request twice over the course of two months, it actually resulted in a request to skype interview which has now resulted in an offer just a few days before the deadline of 4/15. It's absolutely crazy how everything worked out, but it just shows that it's not over until it is over, and that persistence pays off. 

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Hi, this is Kim.

Isn't it frustrating to get into grad school and pursue something you love? Reading this thread, I can feel the struggle and all the effort you have been putting into your own career. PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP! Two years ago I got rejected by all schools, I cried and started to think that I wasn't worth it. Last year I didn't make the cut and I was depressed. It got worse since everyone was telling me to quit and stick with my Bachelor degree. I don't have a very high GPA btw, my GRE was acceptable (I'm an international student). At the time I started to think negatively and was about to quit. Sometimes I felt like I was getting used to being rejected it doesn't really hurt that much. 

Even when you failed or you feel like you want to quit, KEEP REMIND YOURSELF NOT TO AND STAY ON TRACK. Not everyone has the same advantage. I understand some have it easier than others. This is why we should prove that we are worth it. Life is a bitch. She tried to take you down and she may have won a few times. But in the end, bitches cannot win unless you let her! Yes you were rejected, cry your eyes out, then get back on track! Please!

This year I applied for one grad school only because I love that program and that I want to study there. I made it! Be like a pug dog who doesn't know how and when to quit! I am sure you will get what you want eventually! I'm sending all the best wishes to you who will apply next year and BEST OF LUCK!

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Just found out I was rejected from Wake Forest MA in psychology. I was waitlisted then this. I'm guessing it had something to do with my GPA and lack of research experience.

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Rejected from UOttawa and OISE.  Was completely expected.  I realize after having gone through this process that I really do need more hands-on research experience that wasn't available to me due to the fact I work full-time, etc.  I am so excited to start a master's program to get that experience and try again in two years.

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Was rejected yesterday by CSUN's Experimental Program.  I Believe it has something to do with the mentors I chose, who were from the clinical program. I am still waiting to hear back from Long Beach State & I still have my backup school as a option.

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1st cycle for clinical psych PhD programs- rejected to all.

I applied to all top-tier programs (I was probably a bit too confident) and I had very specific interests which maybe I articulated too much in my statement. But I received positive feedback and can always improve my application for next cycle.

I was anxious during the application cycle but now I'm thinking...eh as long as I'm alive, anything is possible. Michael Jordan missed over 300 important shots. I have a great and great paying job. More importantly, I know my priorities and what I want out of life, which is an achievement in itself. 

 

Good coping tactic: Exercise, eat healthy and take care of yourself! I've just been very focused on myself, esp. Cooking and eating organic/non-GMO food since the application cycle which is doing wonders to my stamina and energy levels 💪 I'm thinking of running a half marathon for the first time soon

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On 4/12/2016 at 8:33 PM, ClinicalApplicant07 said:

For everyone planning to apply again next year, I recommend sending feedback request emails to professors where you made it farther than just submitting an application (i.e., email interview, phone/skype interview, in person interview). They can provide very helpful information and advice for your next round. In my case after sending the feedback request twice over the course of two months, it actually resulted in a request to skype interview which has now resulted in an offer just a few days before the deadline of 4/15. It's absolutely crazy how everything worked out, but it just shows that it's not over until it is over, and that persistence pays off. 

Congratulations!  I've never heard of anything like this happening and am so glad it did.  

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On 4/18/2016 at 4:27 PM, MarineBluePsy said:

Congratulations!  I've never heard of anything like this happening and am so glad it did.  

Thank you so much! My mentor said the same thing about never hearing about this happening so last minute to a student. I'm honestly still in shock. 

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16 hours ago, ClinicalApplicant07 said:

Thank you so much! My mentor said the same thing about never hearing about this happening so last minute to a student. I'm honestly still in shock. 

I hear ya!  Let yourself sit in shock for a week or two, I did.  Then when it wears off you can begin planning and be excited!

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On 1/14/2016 at 7:16 AM, vandsa02 said:

I've read things that say MAs are turn offs for certain programs (at least in clinical) because some programs like to train people all the way through. It sucks, I'm sure. 

Did you hear from USF and Drexel directly? I applied to both of those, but I haven't heard anything from either program, which kind of freaks me out (but also not knowing means I can continue to live in ignorance of what is probably impending rejection...)

Guys, do you know if a MA is a turn off when you are an international applicant and you have a Bachelor's Degree of 3 years instead of 4? I intend to apply to Clinical Psych PhD programs, but I am enrolled at a MA in Clinical Psych and CBT in my country. 

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On 4/25/2016 at 10:45 AM, Madalina said:

Guys, do you know if a MA is a turn off when you are an international applicant and you have a Bachelor's Degree of 3 years instead of 4? I intend to apply to Clinical Psych PhD programs, but I am enrolled at a MA in Clinical Psych and CBT in my country. 

In the book, the "Insiders Guide to Clinical and Counseling Psychology Programs" (which I highly highly recommend), it lists the percentage of incoming students for each school who have their masters. That can help you decide which programs to apply to. From my interviews, I found that schools with a lower percentage had many more restrictions on what they would accept from your masters degree, and schools with a higher percentage of incoming students with their masters were more open to masters students and accepting courses/thesis from your previous program. That book also has a scoring system to score yourself against prospective programs and that system predicted where I would get my interviews, so I highly recommend that book :) Good luck!  

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On 1/13/2016 at 11:37 AM, FacelessMage said:

School: Texas A&M, Tech Tech, Drexel, University of South Florida, Ryerson Universiy, Simon Fraser University

Area: Clinical psychology

Rationalization: I don't even know, probably more of the "too many qualified applicants" stuff they feed us every year

Comment: Honestly, I'm very upset. I put in so much work in the past year to make myself more competitive (have around 3 more publications than last year, plus 2 more conference publications), and it feels like it was for nothing

Coping tactics: Sleep, binge watching various shows, working on another publication

You applied to quite a few schools I'm interested in when I apply this upcoming year. Did you talk to any professors you were interested in working with before applying to get a feeling for what they were looking for in a potential student?

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7 hours ago, forensicpsych2017 said:

You applied to quite a few schools I'm interested in when I apply this upcoming year. Did you talk to any professors you were interested in working with before applying to get a feeling for what they were looking for in a potential student?

I met with the majority of the profs I was interested in working with at conferences prior to applying (I got some good face to face time with them). I had also emailed all of them asking if they were accepting students for the upcoming year. 

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2 hours ago, FacelessMage said:

I met with the majority of the profs I was interested in working with at conferences prior to applying (I got some good face to face time with them). I had also emailed all of them asking if they were accepting students for the upcoming year. 

Oh okay! I've talked in depth and met with my POI at Tech and really clicked but I haven't gotten to asking others since it feels like its too early to ask if they are taking a student. How early would you recommend on emailing them? Sorry for all the q's!

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