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  1. dancedementia

    Fall 2019 Psychology PhD Applicants!

    Okay I'm jumping the gun a little, but I'm starting to narrow down my application list and wanted to connect with anyone who is planning on applying for fall 2019 matriculation! My focus is in Clinical or Counseling Psychology, with a primary research interest in eating disorders. The list thus far: Top choices: UNT (PhD Counseling), Rutgers (PsyD Clinical), Northeastern (PhD Counseling), Springfield (PsyD Counseling), Yeshiva (PsyD Clinical), LIU Brooklyn (PhD Clinical), Adelphi (PhD Clinical) Mid-level choices: Xavier (PsyD Clinical), CCNY (PhD Clinical), Suffolk (PhD Clinical), IUP (PsyD Clinical), UHartford (PsyD Clinical), UIndy (PsyD Clinical), Fairleigh Dickinson (PhD Clinical), Drexel (PhD Clinical) Safeties: KCUMB (PsyD Clinical - new program, not APA yet), Chestnut Hill College (PsyD Clinical), Immaculata (PsyD Clinical), PCOM (PsyD Clinical) Reeeeeach: UNC-Chapel Hill (PhD Clinical), Emory (PhD Clinical), Temple (PhD Clinical), Univ of Kansas (PhD Clinical), Miami University of Ohio (PhD Clinical), UNC-Charlotte (PhD Clinical) Still a long list, but I'm taking my time chipping away at it. I'm hoping to apply to ~15 programs and choose based on practicum experiences (I want at least 2-3 full years in community clinics) and research match. What are y'all thinking?
  2. Alright we need one of these threads now that folks are starting to decide. So please share - where will you be in the fall?! Congrats everyone!!
  3. dancedementia

    Fall 2020 Clinical & Counseling PhD/PsyD

    Sooooo. Who's ready to get a head start on next year? (Yes I know April 15th isn't quite here yet, but I've been going through GC withdrawal so I'm making this thread WAY in advance.) I was originally going to wait for 2 years before applying (to boost my research productivity), but I was just alerted that my grant-funded research coordinator position (which starts in June!) expires after 1 year and there is no guarantee there will be funding for a second year. Thankfully, it is a hyperproductive lab so I should be able to get some pubs before I need to leave (I'm already on a poster and I haven't even started work yet? lol...) I already have a ton of posters/presentations so I really just wanted more research experience in my area of interest. Anyways! Here's the list for fall 2020, a total of 10 schools Boston College (Counseling PhD) -- POI: OMK Boston University (Clinical PhD) -- POI: LB, TP Drexel University (Clinical PhD, reapplicant) -- POI: AJ, EF, MB (you're supposed to choose 3 on the application) Fordham University (Clinical PhD) -- POI: NB Fordham University (Counseling PhD) -- POI: MK Northeastern University (Counseling PhD, reapplicant) -- POI: RR, JEG Suffolk University (Clinical PhD, reapplicant) -- POI: SR (maybe... she rejected me this round so idk if I'll try again), SS UMass Boston (Clinical PhD) -- POI: LR Virginia Commonwealth (Counseling PhD) -- POI: SM William James (Clinical PsyD) -- safety school (got in last round but deferred offer, so would not need to reapply) Yeshiva University (Clinical Health PhD) -- POI: CS This is, of course, assuming all the POIs are taking students next year. I'm geographically constrained a little bit b/c my fiance will be in med school next year (at least someone will be earning the big bucks in this family), and I'm not interested in doing a long-distance marriage that spans more than 3 state lines =P
  4. Most of us have been so stressed about interview invites that I didn't realize - we don't have an acceptance thread yet! Accepted folks, please post here so we can celebrate your achievements All psychology types (clinical, counseling, I/O, social, everything in between) welcome. School: Concentration: (e.g. clinical, counseling, social, I/O, etc) Type: (PhD/PsyD/EdD/something else) Date of acceptance: Notified by: Mass email, email from POI, phone call, etc.
  5. dancedementia

    Counseling -Non Psych Thread

    Makes sense! I take it you're planning on applying to PhD programs in Counselor Ed?
  6. dancedementia

    Another "help me with plan B" thread :(

    Soooo. I got rejected from my top choice (NEU) and am pretty sure I'm not getting into my second choice (Suffolk). I've either been rejected, declined interviews, or waitlisted all other funded programs on my application list. I am holding two offers from Antioch University and William James, both PsyD programs with a large price tag. I'm an older applicant, so emotionally I want to just take one of those offers and get going with my life. I went into this application cycle thinking I wanted to do primarily clinical work, which is why most of my programs are PsyD or balanced PhD programs. But as I've gone to these schools and spoken with POIs, I'm realizing that hey - I actually want to do research. I have several years of research experience, but not in one lab (just lots of small projects with multiple PIs), so I know what I'm getting into and I know I enjoy it. I think I got a little jaded this past year because I was running a study that was going NOWHERE and I said "screw research". But talking with POIs about their projects, brainstorming ideas, etc... it made me want to go back to that. So current options are... Say screw research, take one of my PsyD offers, and get on with life. Look for full time research coordinator positions, work for 1-2 years, and reapply Work a full time clinical job (I have my masters degree so I can provide therapy) and volunteer for research on the side The biggest considerations are: My PsyD offers have very little funding (I've gotten scholarships from both but they're like... 20% of my tuition lol) If I work as a research coordinator for 1-2 years and then apply, I'm going to be 40 when I graduate with my PhD. Ehhhhhhh. Part of counseling and therapy is helping your patients understand limits and check their realities. I know we often tell folks, "You should go for your dream! You'll regret it if you don't! You're never too old for anything!" But the truth is, for the majority of us, we don't have that luxury. I do come from a lower SES background. I do want to finish my studies as soon as I can (my fiance is in med school and we'd like to sync up timelines as much as we can, because honestly, when you're in your 30's and MARRIED, long distance relationships are REALLY not cool anymore). I have chronic health problems that may very well mean that I will croak at age 55 (morbid, but hey, reality). Do I really want to spend my 30s in a lab, finally get to practicing at 40, and then not be able to have a fulfilling career before I go? For that matter, there is NO guarantee that working as a full time research coordinator for 2 years will guarantee me ANYTHING. I could very well apply to these same PhD programs and get rejected across the board again. I'm risk averse by nature, and this thought sends shivers up my spine. Thoughts? (Sorry for wall of text!)
  7. dancedementia

    Fall 2020 Clinical & Counseling PhD/PsyD

    That's a robust list haha. If I had the $$ I would totally apply to a ton of schools. But damn, this process is expensive
  8. dancedementia

    Another "help me with plan B" thread :(

    Thanks for the feedback, @Sherrinford. If you scroll up a bit you'll see that I got a nice research coordinator position I'll be working in for 2 years and then reapplying to PhD programs.
  9. dancedementia

    Another "help me with plan B" thread :(

    Yep, mainly from those two sites that @higaisha referenced earlier up on this thread. I also go directly to the sites of AMCs and scour their career sections. I applied to 8 positions from McLean just from looking up open positions. Gosh, I never even thought about this! I might reevaluate some of my school choices to include more counseling programs. Thanks for the info!
  10. dancedementia

    Another "help me with plan B" thread :(

    I'm curious about this. Was this explicitly stated by mentors/POIs? How were you able to overcome this bias? (I too have a masters in counseling, and not even counseling psych, but a CACREP counseling masters).
  11. dancedementia

    Counseling -Non Psych Thread

    I'm curious about your transition from psych to counseling! (I'm making the opposite move). What about counseling was a better match for you?
  12. dancedementia

    Psy.D programs- please help me decide!

    Roosevelt and Loyola are definitely a "tier" above Wright. In general, I also dissuade folks from going to California schools unless they want to work in California - they don't have much of a "brand" outside of that state.
  13. dancedementia

    GRE Prep

    Magoosh was really helpful for me on math. I'm the type that needs LOTS of practice and immediate, detailed feedback. Magoosh's program has a customizable "practice" mode where you get immediate feedback after each question, with both written and video explanations (helpful for those of us who prefer one way of learning to the other). I didn't study verbal so can't give much guidance there.
  14. dancedementia

    Rejection thread

    Hey folks I technically didn't get rejected from all - got into three "safety" PsyD schools that would have cost about $200k to attend sooooo I said no thanks. For my funded programs, I got interviews for 3 and was ultimately rejected from all post-interview. I'm taking the next two years to work full-time in research. I have a master's in counseling (no research, just clinical practice), which was great for getting into the PsyD programs but horrible for getting into PhD programs. I should have beefed up my research experience more, but there's only so many hours in the day when you also have to be at practicum sites. I did the masters because I initially only wanted to do clinical practice (and my GPA was shit), but along the way found out (a little too late) I really love research. I'm in the same boat. I have ~3 years of research experience and 5 posters on my CV, but they were in areas that were unrelated to my POI's work and I made the mistake of not contacting POIs and networking before I applied. Going to interviews, it seemed like a lot of candidates had either collaborated with the POI's lab or they had met at previous conferences, etc. Of course, if two candidates are equal, they're probably going to choose the one they know and have interacted with. I'm going to definitely do more of this before I reapply.
  15. What state do you want to live in? If you plan to stay in NY, do not do NYU. You want an LCSW in NY State to get the best job prospects and salary. In the Boston area, BC is extremely well respected. NEU is not far behind but their program seems to encourage folks to go on to doctoral program. I'm not familiar enough with UMich to comment.
  16. dancedementia

    Fall 2020 Clinical & Counseling PhD/PsyD

    Just be aware that some of these programs you've listed require a masters degree for admissions (NEU and UMass Boston are the two that jump out at me). I'm not sure where you are in your academic journey, but just something to be aware of. One of my friends applied for several of these programs and was upset that she didn't notice this requirement beforehand.
  17. dancedementia

    Looking for information about quantitative psychology

    You'll probably want to take advance calc, linear algebra, differential equations, combinatorics, and loooooots of probability/random variables/stats courses. Topics to get familiar with might include distribution functions (binomial, geometric, poisson, exponential, gamma, beta), conditional probability, Bayes, Chebyshev, LLN, CLT, nonparametric stats, ANOVAs, regressions, decision theory, large sample theory, asymptotic efficiency, sequential analysis. Some knowledge of programming languages (e.g. C++, Python) might also help.
  18. dancedementia

    dear psych students, what would be the best route

    If you're interested solely in providing psychotherapy as a treatment, then you can do all of that with only a masters I'm not sure what you mean by "assess" - masters level clinicians can diagnose, but some specific assessments (e.g. Rorschach, neuropsych batteries) can only be performed by doctoral-level psychologists with proper training. Also worth noting that many masters in "psychology" (unless they are specifically clinical psychology) are not license-eligible unless you take extra courses. Many of them are geared towards folks who need research experience and GPA boosters for doctoral applications. They will require a research project / thesis and may not include enough hours of internship to meet state licensing requirements as an LPC/LMHC.
  19. dancedementia

    prospective psych grad student advice

    I apologize for hijacking this thread, but this is seriously impressive. What did you do between cycles that helped your application? (And how many years in between cycles?)
  20. As other posters stated, the biggest factor of admissions is research match and "fit". GRE scores are a useful first pass, but I would not name that as a marker of competitiveness at all.
  21. dancedementia

    Another "help me with plan B" thread :(

    As an update for the folks who helped me (and for future applicants who may be in my situation): I got a full-time job as a research coordinator in an extremely productive lab at an amazing institution (which I frankly didn't think I had a shot at getting into). I'm honestly more excited about this "acceptance" than the three non-funded PsyD acceptances I had earlier this year, which really solidifies 1) the fact that I'm passionate about research, and 2) that I've made the right choice by declining offers and planning to reapply to PhD programs in a few years. Yaaaay
  22. dancedementia

    Reflections & Advice for Future Applicants

    My biggest lesson this cycle: don't be afraid to turn down offers and try again next year (or the next, or the next). It's not a race to the finish line. There is nothing wrong with working another couple of years and reapplying if that means you will have better opportunities and less debt. This cycle, I was so caught up in the anxiety of "I need to get my career started NOW" that I applied to mainly unfunded schools and some schools that were, erm... indiscriminate about the folks they admitted. For some folks, those schools might be good fits. For me, I was trying to hard to get my career launched ASAP that I overlooked a ton of schools that would have fit my needs and research interests better. I had several offers from great schools that I just couldn't afford or weren't a good match for my career interests, and had to turn down. And that's okay! I was talking to a friend the other day and she said this: I have a licensable master's. I could literally just keep applying every 2 years if I wanted the PhD that badly, until I got in. In the meantime, I can continue to get clinical and research experience. I don't need to take a giant step in the direction of my career - I can do it in baby steps if I need.
  23. dancedementia

    Psychology Masters NYU, Northwestern or Boston

    BU's program is notorious for placing graduates in good PhD programs. You can take the program part time and stretch it out to 2 years if you want.
  24. dancedementia

    How much does prestige matter? School Psych PsyD

    You're not wrong. There is some connection between high prestige and a good quality program, but I don't necessarily think that the opposite is true (e.g. just because a program is not considered "prestigious" doesn't mean you'll get a poor quality experience). That said, I'd like to remind everyone of the lovely Pareto principle (where are my I/O folks when I need them) - 80% of results comes from 20% of the effort. Put simply in the context of a doctoral program (with the intent to practice) - all you need is "enough". You need your 2-3 years of practicum, your 1 year of APA internship, your 1 year of postdoc (or whatever postgrad hours are needed to get licensed in your state). The difference between a person who publishes 5 papers vs. the person who publishes 1 is practically negligible when it comes to hiring for practice. It doesn't matter if your lab was ranked 1st or ranked 30th - you got the research experience and the dissertation nonetheless. (If we're talking about a career in academia, all of this goes out the window, of course.) Keep in mind that everyone who finishes a program and passes the EPPP (not sure if school psych has another exam, I don't know the name) gets licensed. EVERYONE. Doesn't matter if you graduated from Harvard or from Oklahoma State. And as the years go on, if your intent is to stay in clinical practice, your education slowly becomes less and less important as you advance. It's inaccurate to say that prestige doesn't matter at all - because let's face it, we're human beings and there is an inherent to signal and to seek out signalling in others. However, I think that as you go deeper and deeper into clinical practice you'll learn that there are diminishing returns. You'll be in this program for 4 years. That's actually a pretty long time. Pick the one that you feel comfortable in I think you underestimate the capability of hiring folks, haha. If anything, I think their lack of expertise actually works in your favour in the context of clinical practice. As I mentioned before, I don't have the time or the care to look at university names, lab names, PI names. I skim the resume and look for a job that looks similar to the one I'm hiring for. I'm hiring for a "school psychologist"? Well, better make sure this person mentions schools and psychology somewhere in their resume. You'll also find that a lot of the "first cut" goes through automatic keyword screeners first, and those automated programs definitely don't care what school you went to - they just want to know whether your degree matches and whether you have the license haha. As for administrators, bureaucrats, and the public, you have a point. Although that could work either for or against you. For example, in my field (eating disorders), here are some of the top schools: Drexel, Temple, Miami, FSU, SUNY Albany, Michigan State. Here are some of the NOT top schools: Harvard, Yale, Columbia. So if you went to Drexel - great for hiring, sucks for public perception. If you went to Yale - sucks for hiring, great for public perception. At that point it's kind of a "pick your battle" - do you want to be well known in the inner circle of eating disorders, or do you want to signal to the public that you went to a prestigious school? Someone hiring at an ED treatment facility may be "in the know", but someone hiring at a community mental health agency may have no idea. As a P. S. -- I don't intend to give any "do this or die" advice in my replies, I'm just sharing some n=1 anecdotes in hopes that it sparks some conversation. Thanks
  25. dancedementia

    How much does prestige matter? School Psych PsyD

    I can't decide if this is being facetious or not. I have never once asked my therapists, doctors, pharmacists, or physical therapists where they graduated from. All I need to know is 1) do they have a license to practice, and 2) are they providing me good service. And that's for private practice folks. For people working in an agency, I don't even have a choice - I get assigned to them if I choose to use the agency's services! For HR purposes, most of the time they're just screening to see that you graduated from a legitimate school. As long as the school doesn't raise any eyebrows (e.g. Argosy), any difference in prestige is going to be negligible (e.g. sure, Brown is more prestigious than Iowa State, but if Iowa State has better experiences, I'd hire them over Brown). The obvious caveat is if you're comparing something like Yale vs. University of the Incarnate Word [tried to pick a university y'all haven't heard of], then sure, maybe you have a marginal benefit in hiring, but any person doing hiring is going to look at more important things like your clinical skills, practicum experiences, and community involvement. (Source: did hiring for a group practice and a community agency) Also, it all depends on where you want to practice and what you want to do with your degree. I'm going to assume by your choice of a PsyD instead of a PhD that you are primarily interested in clinical practice and not trying to climb the ladder in academia. If that's the case, prestige doesn't really matter. Just make sure it's not a diploma mill. Choose the program that you feel most comfortable in and will get you the best opportunities for clinical practica/internship. So check the match rates, and ask the training directors what kind of placements students tend to get. For example, if you want to work with disadvantaged populations as a career but School X tends to only place students in high SES private schools for training, then does that really align with your values and the kind of experience you want? To be completely honest, outside of academia (including academic teaching hospitals and research careers) no one really knows what the "prestige of a program" is. I worked in a large urban city at a large community agency that regularly hired psychologists and masters level clinicians. Our specialty was dual dx. When someone submits their application, I don't say, "Oh wow, they graduated from Colorado State University, I know there's a great lab there that does work on substance use disorders. That's much more relevant to the job that these two who graduated from Columbia and UChicago, I'd better hire the ColoState person!" Frankly, I don't even know what universities have strong research labs / training in substance use, nor do I really care. I look at the applicant's resume and skim for ANY experience working with substance use. If UChicago happens to have worked in 3 addictions treatment facilities and ColoState only worked in school-based settings, guess who I'm hiring, regardless of the "prestige" of their program or school?

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