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    Questions to ask

    Ask about culture of the program. Conference travel support. What the program is doing to help prepare the students for the job market, apart from adding three letters after their last name. Get a better picture of the TAship program, if there is. Ask anything that can get the chair to brag on their program, the distinctives, why that person chose to work at that uni, etc. But definitely email a couple of the students in the program and ask them if you can buy them a beer and pick their brains. They will be more forthcoming with the goods and the bads of the program. As @theofan said, do your research. I read all 100 pages of my department's polices and procedures before I asked questions, and it paid off.
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    Am I ready?

    A couple things. First, don't worry about the publication for now. Most pre-Ph.D. program publications are looked upon with skepticism, and it can hurt you down the road if it does not represent the best of what you can do. Second, your lack of Hebrew will hurt you, there's really no way around it. While I am not familiar with the minimum/suggested requirements for every program, most expect some level of proficiency in both languages (e.g., Baylor prefers 12 hours of your primary ancient language and 6 hours of the other when you apply). Even if there is not set requirement, you will typically have to test at a high level in both ancient languages in any program, adding another thing for you to learn in addition to other program requirements. Third, I agree with @ChristoWitch87 that you need to cast your applications wide and far. There is no guarantee for anyone to get in. Program size is shrinking (though not as fast as the job market). Apply to some STM or Th.M programs as well. Fourth, take this summer and learn German (or Hebrew) if you can. Use April Wilson's German Quickly or another such resource, and go for it. Fifth, you GRE analytical score will not help you. You may want to take it again and get over the 90th percentile. None of this is to be nitpicky, but schools get dozens of applications for a handful (or less) of slots. Building strong relationships with POI, letters of recommendation, and a great writing sample can get you far. But every application committee will need to find reasons to say yes or no. Lack of Hebrew and a less than 90% GRE percentile for some schools may give them a reason to say no.
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    Cambridge vs. Oxford New Testament/Ethics

    If your goal is to enter the pastorate, why do you want to go into these programs, given the enormous cost they will entail? Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of pastor's having as much education as possible, but the intense research nature of PhD programs is not always easily transferable to a local ministry context. If you are not yet serving in a pastoral role, this will become even more difficult. If you are going to have to take out loans to pay for three years of study and living in the UK, will you be able to pay them off of a ministry salary (in addition to whatever student loans you may currently have)? If your only role you want to have in the academy is an adjunct at a small Christian college, then, depending on the school, your role as a pastor in the community may be of more benefit to you than the name Cambridge or Oxford on your CV. Moreover, some schools are developing more academically minded D.Min. degrees designed to better integrate higher levels of scholarship into local ministry (I'm thinking of Northern's D.Min. in New Testament Context led by Scot McKnight). These would allow study and full-time pastoral responsibilities to coincide. I do not want to presume your context, but this is an option in some circles to lead to adjuncting while retaining a full-time ministry position. That being said, you seem aware of the downsides and the cost of UK programs. However, as you claim a pastoral focus, I would urge a cautious consideration of three years of an intense study in a non-MDiv setting as related to your overall goals.
  4. What @sacklunch said. The nature of divinity programs is that they do not presuppose a background in the field. That being said, no mater where you go you will find students who simply want to get through the program to get into ministry and those who want to get every educational opportunity out of the program, including those who from the moment they set foot in the graduate program know they want to go on to doctoral work. I will be blunt. At any school you listed you will be able to surround yourself with smart people, seeking a higher level of rigor in their studies than the baseline what needs to pass the curriculum requirements. Your professors will have office hours which you can ask questions and go deeper than what may happen in class. You will be able to choose the topics for your papers and write them to a higher level of standard than what the rubric requires. You will have the choice to choose between which professor you take a class with: the harder or the easier one. You are in charge of the level of rigor of your studies, not your school.
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    PhD Applications Fall 2019 Season

    This is sage advice. You cannot become a clone of your advisor and expect to do well. Moreover, if your advisor likes your dissertation too much, the much needed criticism that you need to develop your argument may not be there. You can write a good dissertation that is readily publishable with an advisor who isn't familiar with your methodology. I would say that broad interest ability as well as a reputation for being a good advisor is more important that being very closely aligned with what you want to do.
  6. Could you give some context as to why you are asking? What are your plans post this degree? If your plan is to get your MDiv and go into ministry, I would automatically say go to Duke because of both your tuition package and the cost of living at the other two will put in a much better financial place if you do go to Duke. You aren't going to get rich going into ministry, so might as well not put yourself in (more) student loan debt.
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    Fayetteville, AR

    As for pay rates, you may see a bit lower than what you would see on the coasts, but the cost of living difference is everything. Houses are sometimes 3x-5x cheaper in the greater area than you could find on the coasts. Seriously. I have friends who live in that area of AR and MO just so they can travel with all the money they save. The biggest thing for finding your fiance a job would be to look to Bentonville. Walmart has invested money in creating a start-up hub atmosphere in the city. I highly doubt that a computer programmer would have a hard time finding a job at a startup or an established company. . There is an arts scene. Definitely unique culture in the Bentonville-Fayetteville corridor than to much of the rest of the state. Enjoy the beautiful scenery. A free art museum (Crystal Bridges) and some of the best coffee around (Onyx Coffee Lab).
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    2019 MDiv MTS MA Applications

    @rejectedndejected Are you asserting that one should beware the Ides of March?
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    What to do with gap year between ordination and graduation

    One thing to be wary of is that every program that advertises itself as a one-year program is not in fact a one-year program. Many find that the ThM's at some schools required 2-3 years even though they are marketed as single year degrees. For instance Duke requires 8 courses and a thesis or comprehensive exams. With many to all of the courses at the doctoral level, I cannot fathom completing the degree in two semesters as advertised.
  10. I'll echo what @marXian said. Your percentile ranking is fine in quant. The schools that typically care about quant, only do so because the Graduate school as a whole does. A Big 12 school I looked at said, the average for the religion program was 60th percentile. I doubt most other schools would have a higher average in their humanities departments. And for cross grad school comparison, most graduate schools have enough math and science MA's to cover those in the humanities that score between the 60th-80th percentile, or even lower.
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    PhD Applications Fall 2019 Season

    Absolutely not. Only a fraction of people in our discipline, or any discipline for that matter, use GradCafe. Based off years I applied, I think there were only a couple of people applying to some of the schools I did, but I know there were upwards of 100 applications to each place. There is little correlation between here and actual numbers. Also, most people here apply to top places, aka, all the same schools. There will always be a ton of applicants at the top schools.
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    Religion and... Programs

    Just a heads up, there is a possibility at Marquette for such studies as well with a PhD in Theology and Society.
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    Another "Stats Needed for PhD Admissions" Query

    You have options. Attend the Summer Language Institute at U of Chicago. Go get a second MA, this time in classics. Apply to an MTS program for a second degree. If you study on your own, work on a writing sample that demonstrates you ability in languages. I know this seems frustrating and a long time to wait, but as the job market shrinks, so do PhD cohorts, and the level of the accepted applicant rises well above the baseline admission stats. For many who have not been preparing for this path since they were in undergrad, it can take two MA's or the like to get enough classes and language acquisition to be competitive in PhD applications. Also, if you have not yet contacted a POI at your prospective schools, do so. If you have a project they see value in, they may be able to help you over one hump in the application process. However, you cannot always hope for this. Get inside information from students who have been accepted to the programs you want to apply to on what they had to do to get in. Also, it takes a lot of qualified applicants multiple years to get into programs. Have backup plans in place. Every year you need to be able to significantly improve your application. Learn new languages, present at conferences, network, etc. Does this suck? Yeah. But a lot of us, until we got into the place you are, were not confronted with the reality of the current academic climate. There's no shame is deciding this isn't for you. But if you want to stick with this, you have to realize how difficult it is to get in, how meager the job prospects really are, and how taxing the whole process can be. Then you get to it and keep going at it.
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    Another "Stats Needed for PhD Admissions" Query

    GRE scores simply keep you in the running. Rarely are they the deciding factors. A 164 should be fine. I would try for at least a 5.0 in writing, and yes some schools care about it. Really, the higher the scores the better. What will set you apart is your writing sample, statement of purpose, and letters of recommendation. Those are the most important pieces. The parts with numbers are good for grad school comparison and rankings. The other pieces determine your ability to produce scholarly work, what scholars think of you, and program fit.
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    How important is TA-ing?

    TAing is better than nothing. However, if you can be the instructor of record for a class, this is way more valuable in the eyes of hiring committees. Almost everyone TA's nowadays, and since this experience is so varied (I have had semesters where I only grade to some where I've taught 5+ times) it is hard to accurately value it. Adjuncting pre-conferral of a PhD will help to begin to set you apart in some fields. Also, most people TA as a part of their departments funding package. It's more a situation of how do I get my stipend rather than how I do I better my CV.
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    Advice on selecting another recommender

    The reputation of professor A will go along way. However, one thing to find out is if professor B has any connections to anyone on the admissions committee for whatever school you are applying to. Connections can be more helpful than scholarly clout.
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    Southern Baptist Sinkhole

    It all depends on the program you want to get into. A top tier school is almost certainly out of the question like @NTAC321 said if you are graduating with your only masters from a seminary or SBC school. I would say an exception may be Hebrew Union in Cincinnati (and where to place it in the tiers is always up for debate). Second tier programs as well as seminaries that offer a PhD program in Hebrew Bible or at least a concentration in it may be an option as well (Fuller, Asbury, etc.). Some of these offer full scholarships and even stipends. The biggest issue you need to think about is not just where you will get it, but where you will want to teach after you get your PhD or if even that is the goal. If you are looking at going into vocational ministry but you just want the further education of a PhD, a lower tier school may suit your needs. You've made it clear that your current and previous institutions or for that matter almost any institution in which you would have connections from your SBC institutions is out of the question. In some sense, you are going to need a name that can help people overlook your previous education and to help you compete with other applicants who may have institutional affiliations or denominational affiliations which places you may be looking at teaching. For that reason, I would highly urge either the transfer route or looking into an additional MA/MTS/MAR to better your chances to get into a top tier school. You do also have the option of trying the UK route. Without denominational backing you would almost certainly be paying your way. That route comes with its own sets of hurdles, but it is available to you.
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    Some Questions About Teaching for Current PhD Students

    In the PhD in Religious Studies at Marquette, all PhD students now TA for 3 years with most teaching a 2-3 class periods a semester. In the fourth year a team-taught Intro to Theology is led by some of the faculty with the fourth year PhD students teaching breakout sessions. Weekly meetings (to the best of my knowledge) are held between the faculty overseers and the PhD students to discuss pedagogical techniques and address any questions they have concerning the process of teaching. Fifth year students teach undergraduate courses for the department on an as needed basis. These courses would be fully developed and taught by the PhD student. Additionally, many Marquette theology graduate students take advantage of the Preparing Future Faculty program with the mentor coming from within the department (http://www.marquette.edu/pffp/) Additionally, twice a semester the graduate program offers a talk on an aspect of the ins and outs of what it takes to flourish in academia: teaching, publishing, research, etc. I will also speak to another program since I am familiar with it, and it has your dream. Asbury Theological Seminary requires a course in Pedagogy (Instructional Theory and Development) for all PhD Students, typically offered in a Winter Term/J-Term. The Biblical Studies students do also have the opportunity to become teaching fellows (in Greek or Hebrew) and facilitate the first two semesters of those languages for the MA and MDiv students. The size of the program does not always guarantee a place as an in class TA with teaching opportunity every semester. However, the TA's who do teach in class are often recorded with the professor then taking time to give amble feedback.
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    SBC Seminary Perceptions

    As most people have noted above, there are multiple factors at work. SBC actually reports a respectable "vocational placement" out of the PhD program.in general. However, I have a feeling that their choice of term does include those who work in ministry outside of an academic context as well to be counted. So before anything, find out the placement of the program into academic jobs. Those academic jobs are also probably at small Southern Baptist colleges. If that is where you want to end up, then SBC may be ok for you. Also, the attrition rate of the program is around 40%. Multiple factors are probably involved. Money is definitely one of them. See http://www.sbc.net/cp/ministryreports/2017/pdf/seminaries/sbts/sbts-ats-report.pdf If this is your first go around in your applications, I would highly encourage you to do all that you can between now and December and beef up your applications. Learn a language. Present papers/get them accepted to conference. Rework your statement. Add more research to your paper. Not getting in your first year does not doom you from not getting in anywhere. Also, while other threads have downplayed the UK PhD route, if you are going to go ahead and pay money to a SBC program for a PhD it may be worth your while to try your hand at doing a UK PhD (even part-time from distance). While it will not have the prestige of a Tier 1 US school, it will give you more opportunities than a SBC school.
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    UK PhD (Oxford) vs USA PhD (Baylor/Marquette)

    No worries! Just wanted to make sure you knew about the $20k. It does make quite a difference. And congrats again on your acceptances!
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    UK PhD (Oxford) vs USA PhD (Baylor/Marquette)

    @chaotic, you say you only have full-funding from Marquette. What program did you apply to? The PhD in Religious Studies/Theology comes with an automatic stipend of just under $20k a year in addition to full tuition remission which is typically on par with Baylor's stipend. Also, if you have any questions about Marquette, message me. I am in my first year in the PhD in Religious Studies on the JCA track. (I gave up on the Baylor waitlist when Marquette offered, so I do even have some experience in comparing the schools, though you have an acceptance and I just had a waitlisting). Also, Marquette has in the past offered money to some students who are in the decision making process to be able to come visit the school. You just have to let them know, and they can see if any is still available.
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    Preferred Bible Software? Accordace or Logos or Bible Works?

    I am an avid Logos user, and I'll stick up for it. The search features are not intuitive and have a steep learning cure. (It feels more like writing code at times than simply typing what you want searched.) Once you master them, I would assume they are on par with Accordance. The Logos App for both Android and IOS got a major, and much needed update recently, and is now quite user friendly. At my seminary, most HB professors used Accordance (one was responsible for much of the tagging of the HB, so he was a little biased) and the NT faculty were Logos fans. @sacklunch, Logos does have the Göttingen Septuagint with apparatus; it does appear to be searchable as well https://www.logos.com/product/4951/gottingen-septuagint The reality is, most of the benefits of each program are going to quickly added to the other. I believe Logos was the first to integrate with the Perseus collection, now also available via Accordance, etc. What is most beneficial, is finding out what the professors and other students use at your doctoral institution. No one has the time to master everything about a software program. It is always helpful to have others around you who can help you problem solve with the same software. Also, I am a sucker for Logos's free book of the month. While at times they are devotional books aimed at the pastors who use the software, I have scored free Anchor Bible and Hermeneia commentaries.
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    Do I Have a Real Chance? YDS, HDS, etc.

    To echo this, when speaking to the Director of a Graduate School of Religion at an R1 institution for Ph.D.'s they said their average quantitative score is between 40th and 60th percentile, and that the only really cared because the Dean of the Graduate School of the University cared. But he emphasized that it was average. Some, he said, had much lower, and some much higher but that nothing was really hanging in the balance unless you simply didn't do the section and had no score since the Dean of the Graduate school wouldn't be happy.
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    Considering Retaking GRE, Advice Welcome

    Retaking the GRE has two possible things in your favor: 1) you may get better scores. Frankly, what the school says about what their "most successful PhD applicants" have is what you should have. Are there exceptions? Of course. Don't bank on being the exception. Study. Retake. Get the score you need. 2) You will have a newer score. While GRE scores don't technically expire for 5 years, some schools will want scores that are less than 3 years old. With an application going out this year and a score from 2 years ago, a newer score may help. It may not. But not taking it again could hurt. Remember that in an applicant pool of 100 with only accepting 3-4 students the committee is looking for not only 3-4 students to admit but over 90 to reject. Your best bet is to do everything in your power to prevent anything in your application from being able to be rejected. A score even one point lower than the standard or a test a couple years older won't necessarily eliminate you from contention. But when it comes down to the wire, it honestly could be a part of the decision.
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    Antioch U - Real School or Joke?

    I know this is late, but if you ever have a question about a school, always check chea.org As the link shows, Antioch University would be legit due to its accreditation by HLC http://www.chea.org/4dcgi/chea/search/detail.html?action=chea&chea_activity=inst_details&inst_cid=211
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