ButterTurtle
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On 5/12/2020 at 8:56 AM, elodie said:
It used to be if there was a difference of 2.5 point scores between both adjudicators it would be reviewed by the committee/chair, SSHRC has increased that number every year. This year I think it's 3.5. That still doesn't account for a 8 and a 3, I'm guessing that your particular application was reviewed by the committee in addition to the 2 panelists, and should have been flagged because of the discrepancy. It's sadly quite common to have big differences between scores. Their use of discretion has been justified by consistently updating policies to permit it. To me there is no reason for an 8 and a 3 unless the application grading is completely subjective.
In this case you could write to SSHRC and asked if they followed internal policies on having the discrepancy in scores reviewed by the committee and chair?
At the same time I would say don't take the scores to heart. All you can do is make the best proposal you can within your means (next year: can it have more specific methods, clearer theory, seek a review/edits from faculty you have good relationships with, from other colleagues, can you add conferences/volunteer work etc). At the end of the day many great applicants don't get awarded and it is at least a little bit arbitrary. Every year the proposal should be more specific (I want to do X, I'm about to do X, this is how I'm currently doing X), and even if you're still on coursework/comps, there should be a way to add some more specific details/locations/dates/timelines etc.I've been successful with provincial awards every year (x3) and had MA SSHRC and some larger internal awards, have years of relevant work experience and community support on my project, references from leaders in my field, 90+ average, publication, conferences, and I still can't get SSHRC (though I've gone from rejection 2x to waitlist 2x). I start from scratch every fall and no matter how good I feel about my application I ask multiple friends and a couple professors to review it and see what feedback I can add and what feedback I will pass on. I usually start early-mid August so I have enough time to go over it and seek feedback. Anyway, good luck!
Thank you for this. I'm not taking it personally, I just wish I could make sense of all of this. To have one reviewer rate my academic experience and achievements at a 4/5 and the other reviewer at 1/5.... Similar to you, a 90 average, a teaching fellowship, a research fellowship, 15 teaching assistantships, lots of conferences. No publication yet tho... so maybe that is why. Besides a publication, there is not anything else I feel like I can do.
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On 5/11/2020 at 5:49 PM, Threesisters said:
I am curious if you were 4a or 4b - or if you know? My scores were higher and no waitlist, and committee 4 has a waitlist with a 10.8. Makes no sense to me unless different subcommittees. Sigh.
I'm not sure if this was for me, but I was committee 4a
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A question about the review process (not sure that anyone can answer) so I can move forward/improve for next year. I e-mailed SSHRC to get a breakdown of my scores. One reviewer scored me 3/10, another reviewer scored me 8/10. I'm not understanding this AT ALL. How can I effectively improve an application with these huge differences? I'm sure many of us are in the same boat.
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37 minutes ago, Saiyph said:
Not even a waitlist? It must depend on subcommittees, I know there was some discussion of the a page or two back. I scored lower than that on committee 4, but am waitlisted.
Really?! Well, I don’t think I was waitlisted. It never said anything in the document. But yes probably depends on sub-committee. I’m in Education.
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Just got results too. Denied with a 12, committee 4.
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2 minutes ago, Cutethulhu said:
Hey, everyone. I've been watching the forum all day and thought I'd finally chime in. I'm in psychology at the U of S and haven't heard back yet. I know someone else in psych at the U of S who heard back this morning, though. This whole process confuses me.
I have a colleague in a different department At usask who heard. I don’t. understand this. at all.
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I feel like I am the only one left who hasn’t found out. Just reject me already so we don’t have to keep dragging this out ? I’m in the middle of my comp exams.
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I'm also committee 4 and haven't heard anything
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3 minutes ago, kittycats said:
I haven't seen any documents uploaded on my end either, however, my awards director mentioned that if I haven't heard anything until now that means that I was probably unsuccessful.
Great work everyone who received the cgs-d!!
What!!! That sucks they said that! My friend JUST got notification in her portal and got the CGSD.
- lolplsfundme and cpigeon
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Also, to give hope to some of you, my friend just got word this morning and won a CGS-D. So not all rejections today!
- Hell0, Threesisters and Piagetsky
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For people who have been hearing back about rejections/waitlists... did you see that through the portal? or did your institution message you?
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4 minutes ago, Koukou85 said:
hello everyone,
so sorry for those who didn't get it. i am at mcgill where they also inform students who won. i'm waiting still and have not heard from sshrc.
anyhow, just wanted to say that sshrc is not only incompetent (how difficult is it to send some 2000 results over 2-3 hours?) but also unethical to do this. and that these competitions are entirely arbitrary and sometimes really it just depends on whether your committee had breakfast or no.
Yes exactly. Same proposal, first year got waitlisted, second year didn't even make it out of the university. Its a crapshoot.
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Just now, TurnLeft said:
Committee 1!
Oh man - she didn’t email my friend who got sshrc on Friday! So maybe she’s not this year since it’s already online and we don’t have to “wait” like previous years (hah.).
Hah well either way - I’m glad they didn’t do that this year!
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1 minute ago, TurnLeft said:
But to be serious... Apparently Usasks awards dept. Doesn’t email results to us. My chair said he’d email to ask tonight if we hadn’t heard so maybe reach out that way???
Hah thanks! Well last year when I applied Peggy emailed all successful applicants only. Which felt horrible. But I haven’t heard of anyone getting any emails this year, successful or not.
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Is anyone here from usask? Still don’t have my results. Haven’t heard from the awards dept.
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1 hour ago, TurnLeft said:
Got my results - no sshrc for me this year ? aw well.
So sorry! I was really rooting for you! Try for next year, you got this ??
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8 minutes ago, JHSinclair said:
huh. Mine just says "my documents' (nothing inside)
Can someone please share some good news on here soon?! Surely they didn't just hold rejections for today?
Mine looks like this too. I can click on the folder but there is nothing there.
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38 minutes ago, lambda-abstraction said:
Good luck to the rest of us without results yet! Let's hope we all hear back tomorrow!!
I have a question about referees for applying next cycle (just in case I'm unsuccessful). Since I will be starting a PhD program in the fall and hoping to apply for SSHRC again in the fall (if my application is not successful), should one of my referees be someone in the PhD program? My referees this cycle were my MA thesis co-supervisors. Should I ask them again this fall? I don't think anyone in the PhD program will know me well enough to be able to write me a strong enough letter for SSHRC, especially if I have to start the program remotely. The program is in the US and the semester is a quarter system, so classes run from October to December. I think the SSHRC app deadline for direct applicants is in October. Does anyone have any insight into this or know I resource I can consult?
Check the application instructions from this year... I’ve read something about how one referee should be your current supervisor but it should say in the section about your letters of appraisal.
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5 hours ago, Threesisters said:
my guess is that once all documents are uploaded, all 3000+ then the email will go out stating that results are in. I suspect they should have either started uploading earlier or had the same date set to release results or stated what their release strategy was so we had not wasted so much mental energy since Thursday. Good news is we should hopefully know tomorrow. Happy Sunday everyone!
Ah yes this is probably what happened. Aughh all we can hope is tomorrow will be the last day of this emotional rollercoaster from hell.
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I also have no heard anything. Usask student
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21 minutes ago, stressymessy said:
Anyone else still with no login information? or am I the only one left LOL
Augh I am so sorry. I just got mine. But I am feeling hopeful that SSHRC has got this on a roll now, and everyone will at least get their logins today. Hang in there.
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9 minutes ago, TurnLeft said:
Just got my log in info. I’m at USask. No results yet.
Same, JUST got my login info. Makes me think this is by institution... good luck...
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Thank you for your kind words! It definitely seems like a little bit of luck, but hopefully as well all keep moving forward and applying, we will get lucky. Funny about what your supervisor told you - even the big names are getting rejected! Good luck with your application next year