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People, I have news for you: ^^ that's the strongest argument of a douchebag going to Stanford. ^^
I'm convinced that you're an idiot. The kind that keeps chanting to itself "OSU is not even in the game to top students as UCSB is"

Get lost kid ...

Wow! I'm amazed by your blindness, sad you can't see a late NAE member and 2 ISIhighlycited ones (and that's in a field famous to be NOT for sissy paper citing kids). I assume EM was too hard for you that you're having still nightmares over that so you have technically adopted the defense mechanism of ingnorism.

Sooooooo true Yep, as I said #1:OSU #2:UMich #OUT: The rest. How about Stanford's reqs.? Seems they need to introduce a new one for domestic ignorant turds.

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

People, I have news for you: ^^ that's the strongest argument of a douchebag going to Stanford. ^^
I'm convinced that you're an idiot. The kind that keeps chanting to itself "OSU is not even in the game to top students as UCSB is"

Get lost kid ...

Heh, I left this forum for a while and the clown goes crazy. His "verifiable evidence" includes a "late" NAE member immediately after quoting me saying "active" NAE member and 2 ISI highly cited in what? It ain't engineering. Sigh. "Ashamed of me as a fellow electrical engineer"? Rofl. The pomposity and fake enlightenment is palpable. Stop trying. Your English is too poor to pull it off.

The point of a private message is to not drag out arguments that the public doesn't care about. This guy has an inferiority complex and that's that, as we can see from his flipping out over a trivial statement. You'll see from my other points that I *don't* worship MIT/Stanford/Berkeley and repeatedly give advice suggesting taking up other options. Three weeks ago I was almost certainly going to pick a not-so-famous school over Stanford before changing my mind for personal reasons.


But anyway, as I said. OSU is not even in the game to top students as UCSB is. We don't get to pick our own reality and there's no reason to give shitty advice to other students just to make yourself feel better.


Get over *yourself*, was1984. Think a little and don't just on bandwagons.

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

Not trying to drag this out any longer, but you guys both read into the rankings well to much.

I had a meeting with the dean of engineering from the University of Michigan - a top 10 Engineering school and one of the best in the world.

When i asked him what a Michigan degree would offer me compared to another school, and his response was "Michigan is not going to teach you anything new or different compared to other top-30 ranked schools. When you go to a Michigan/MIT/Stanford/Illinois/Princeton/etc all that your paying for is the name of the school because any top-30 ranked school is going to teach you nearly exactly the same. There are amazing professors at all of these top schools."

He also told me not to get too caught up into the rankings.

So for the discussion you guys were having, Sure MIT has that BIG BRAND NAME, however, i'm not sure, but Santa Barbara might actually have a better more focused department in something else. But what does "better" mean? MIT has that BETTER name? Are they really going to teach or challenge you more though than Santa Barbara which is still a top top school? I doubt it

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

kanka bsg.

If "MIT is MIT" is an argument, then so is "Stanford is Stanford".

If you name the PAs, probably someone in EM field can comment more aptly. However I can guess name of the three, and the first thing strikes me is you'll have really diverse areas at hand to decide.

Needless to say, the most important factor is your interest. So think about that first. Which project do you like best?

As for the prestige I would pick ESL too (like everyone else I guess).

As for CEM I can assure all CEM researchers are harsh. That's how it is, If one line of code or even a single +- sign goes wrong, booom! It's the hardest branch of EM. So it's up to you. However the number of projects going on in ESL is so huge that you can change your advisor if things didn't work out.

Another important factor is what you want to do with your degree. Academic/Industrial jobs? PSU and OSU are kind of leaning toward more academic, research-type jobs IMO. Of course there are industries/research labs hiring people with those specialties but still assignments will be extensions of your grad work. I can't tell much UCSD project and honestly that's not my area of interest that much. Depending on what you do you might gain the kind experience that is much more desirable to a wide array of industry jobs than the other two, while you can pursue academic jobs in the field too.

Haha! So if UCSB is above MIT in some subfield, how are claiming attending Harvard or Ohio State as half-insult???
FYI Ohio State sits on TOP in my area. Just as an indication, recently the researchers there designed MIT's Lincoln Lab new campact range. Among all the so-called prestige schools only UMich can claim tries at the top spot in this field. Now while the OP doesn't seem to be aware of this but I wouldn't be surprised if Harvard's overally low-ranked engineering, while very small, be strong in one nerdy research topic and you actually insulted yourself with your paradoxically condescending statement.

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

Your pathetic effort in ending this conversation by resorting to private messages, reveals that you simply couldn't disprove my statement and has owned up to the fatal mistake you made in your original post. That's enough for me. The sad part is when I introduced verifiable evidence about superiority of the school you deem undesirable, in one important branch of engineering and science, your strongest argument was like "X is so good that even people outside Y know that". Believe me, with such low aptitude for making an argument your graduate school years will not go anywhere and I am ashamed of having you as a fellow electrical engineer.

gtmshine here is proof that plenty of dumbasses get into even places like Stanford. Get over yourself dude.

Haha! So if UCSB is above MIT in some subfield, how are claiming attending Harvard or Ohio State as half-insult???
FYI Ohio State sits on TOP in my area. Just as an indication, recently the researchers there designed MIT's Lincoln Lab new campact range. Among all the so-called prestige schools only UMich can claim tries at the top spot in this field. Now while the OP doesn't seem to be aware of this but I wouldn't be surprised if Harvard's overally low-ranked engineering, while very small, be strong in one nerdy research topic and you actually insulted yourself with your paradoxically condescending statement.

My three-quarter fellowship was going to pay tuition and a stipend of $8100 per quarter. But I recently won the 3-year NSF fellowship, so instead the departmental fellowship will go towards supplementing that for all three years with some minor benefits like a health insurance subsidy. It's not useful for you to know my profile as I'm a domestic student so it's not directly comparable.
They give that hopeful admission letter to everyone, but only a fraction get funded. I personally don't recommend taking an unfunded offer, even for U.S. students.

Some schools treat foreign admissions as a cash cow for the school. Basically, you are paying a tax which then goes to fund US residents. Think of it as a grad school tariff. It sucks, but you can't begrudge them for trying to squeeze pennies where they can. The same thing was true when I spent time studying abroad in a foreign country.

Another possibility, is that some schools that do not have a waitlist admit people with independent means. They figure well if they come free labor and extra money for the other students. It is possible you are in this situation. Then it is not the proliferation of unfunded programs, but rather changing norms around how to best use the waitlist.

I guess mentioning "compact range" was enough for someone actually IN the EE area to get the signal, but you seem to be slightly OUT. Sorry for the wrong assumption. Now tell me, is Applied Electromagnetics large enough for you? Does that just hurt or you really need to ripped?

Agreed! You mean something like "If UCSB is good doesn't need validation from MIT", huh? Sad.

Wow! I'm amazed by your blindness, sad you can't see a late NAE member and 2 ISIhighlycited ones (and that's in a field famous to be NOT for sissy paper citing kids). I assume EM was too hard for you that you're having still nightmares over that so you have technically adopted the defense mechanism of ingnorism.

Sooooooo true Yep, as I said #1:OSU #2:UMich #OUT: The rest. How about Stanford's reqs.? Seems they need to introduce a new one for domestic ignorant turds.

What you're saying is rather insane. Especially for a school like Stanford. How on earth grad students especially foreign nationals with no access to domestic applicant loans/non-university-fellowships should be able to pay for something like $60K? Treating PhD students as cash cow (like terminal MS students) is quite a new trend. Don't admit them or give them RA/TAships from the start.

All parts of this process are voluntary, so what's the issue? If one doesn't want to go to Stanford unfunded, then he can choose not to. He can even choose not to apply. Some people are willing to pay for Stanford -- why not let them?


Stanford has more citations/paper than even MIT and Berkeley. And in industry impact, I don't even need to spell it out. Sounds like they know what they're doing.

OK, I'm interested to know more about Upper Arlington area. Turns out it's very close to the lab, on Kinnear Road, I'm supposed to be working in.

Any info on rent comparison, proximity to decent grocery stores, the kind of people that live there, number of grad students there, etc. would be appreciated.

Wow! I'm amazed by your blindness, sad you can't see a late NAE member and 2 ISIhighlycited ones (and that's in a field famous to be NOT for sissy paper citing kids). I assume EM was too hard for you that you're having still nightmares over that so you have technically adopted the defense mechanism of ingnorism.

Sooooooo true Yep, as I said #1:OSU #2:UMich #OUT: The rest. How about Stanford's reqs.? Seems they need to introduce a new one for domestic ignorant turds.