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2 hours ago, tansy, rue, root, & seed said:

I also just received the Princeton email. I'm so sad. I'm choosing between Princeton and Yale, have already visited Yale (thank goodness their visit was scheduled before this madness!), and just have absolutely no idea how I'm going to make a decision now. It feels so lopsided to try to make a decision having visited one place and not the other. I was planning to also visit Princeton "unofficially" this week for a different event -- my boyfriend's presenting at a conference there -- but I'm assuming that, too, will be canceled.

I understand the need for precaution, especially for those in precarious health and financial situations, but . . . the timing. Sigh.

Also, yes, solidarity with the ongoing COLA strikes! When assembling my school list, I immediately ruled out the UCs due to the outrageous COL and meager funding.

I agree that these cancellations are....concerning with respect to the decision-making process. I hate to sound selfish/whiny because public health and safety is of supreme importance and so many people (the elderly, people with preexisting conditions) are at risk right now.... In the face of those issues it feels almost wrong to worry about school, but it’s also possible and necessary to worry about both things simultaneously. (This is me trying to be sensitive about this.)

Anyway, how is everyone dealing with decisions without being able to visit certain places? I’m conducting my online/virtual visit with UW today, for which I’m grateful, but haven’t heard anything from BU regarding visits.

PS: YES solidarity with COLA strikers!!! They’re being treated awfully and it’s one of the reasons I’ll be withdrawing from UC Davis’s waitlist.

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5 minutes ago, WanYesOnly said:

Just realising how seriously unbelievable all this is. I'm an international student and literally just landed back in my country just before the madness of cancellations began. I'm so thankful I got to visit my schools but I'm also wondering, does anyone else wonder if the US and the world will have a handle on the coronavirus by Aug/Sept in time for fall semester or will the world plunge into chaos and we will forever remain the cohort that didn't make it to matriculation?

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In response to mass cancellations/coronavirus a good friend of mine said "Surely they will just move the decision date to May 1st or 15th, depending on how the mass coronavirus outbreak affects universities?" Which sounds sensible but I don't think there's really a possibility of that, is there? I mean, people are in situations where they can't attend visits all the time (geography, inadequate reimbursement, a full-time job or studying) and it sounds like April 15 is a nationally binding deadline. (Then again: maybe programs that had to cancel their visits are already thinking it might really throw their yield, so would have an interest in collectively deciding with other programs to move the date? Maybe that's implausible but look this whole thing is implausible...)

Like @tansy, rue, root, & seed, I'm having a lot of trouble already weighing up a program I visited (Yale) with another couple that are top choices, but which I will not get to visit. It's just so difficult not to be swayed by known variables (what the area is like, feel of the department and current students, faculty telling you to your face that they want to work with you) vs trying to ascertain those variables at other programs through phone conversations and email chains, which even if they're lengthy just ... aren't the same. It's really hard not to just go with one I visited because it feels like both the best and safest option, but I also really don't want to regret that later!

I'm also concerned that faculty who would have otherwise set aside time to participate fully in visiting days are the very same people now scrambling to deal with a totally unprecedented situation w/r/t current students and teaching—figuring out how they'll teach their courses online or via Zoom rather than connecting with prospective PhD students. It'll slide much lower on the totem pole of priorities, surely? Ugh. 

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Not sure how I am supposed to make an informed decision when I have enlisted all of my brain cells to stave off the anxiety of decision-making in midst of this coronavirus hellscape.

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Sending good vibes to all of you who potentially have to make decisions sight-unseen. I'd be a mess. Tomorrow is my first visit day and I'm wondering how many admitted students are going to/able to show. 

As if everyone didn't already have enough on their minds....ffs. 

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2 hours ago, alphabet soup said:

Does anyone know if Penn State is done with sending out acceptances for their MA?

Penn State MA/PhD admit here: When I spoke to the assistant DGS, she made a point of saying they like to let admitted students know as early as possible to give them ample time to make a decision, which suggests to me that all first-round acceptances have gone out and now they’re just waiting to see who says yes and who says no before they dip into their (potentially secret?) waitlist. Sorry I don’t have more concrete information to share, but good luck!

On the subject of Penn State: I believe they’re on spring break this week, but I’m dreading the inevitable open house cancelation email come next Monday. Fortunately I live within easy driving distance of the school and could still probably swing a more informal visit, but I’m having a tough time deciding between Ohio State (which I’ve already visited) and Penn State, and am/was really hoping for PSU’s open house to be a clarifying experience. Alas...

(I know I’m fortunate to live within a visitable distance to my school—I’m so sorry to those of you who are dealing with canceled visits and travel dilemmas. Hopefully you can find some sort of substitute, like a virtual visit, to aid in making your decision, though of course that’s no substitute for an in-person, curated visit. Sending you all an abundance of good vibes!)

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Hello, hello! I've been following this thread for awhile but finally jumping in to ask about University of Cincinnati's funding. I've landed myself on *6* waitlists (wtf) and UC's funding information is vague at best. Any insight on how their funding works for the PhD rhet/comp?

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Just finished up the first day of the virtual UW visit... It was awesome talking with faculty and I'm glad to learn more about the program, but my potential cohort seemed very.....quiet and reserved. I'm not sure if it's just because of the virtual webcam format (which is very awkward), but people seemed reluctant to speak up. Not sure what to think about that.

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2 minutes ago, tinymica said:

but my potential cohort seemed very.....quiet and reserved. I'm not sure if it's just because of the virtual webcam format (which is very awkward), but people seemed reluctant to speak up. Not sure what to think about that.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Being a potential student is sort of awkward as it is and especially in this scenario, so you probably didn't really have a chance to see their personalities. Plus, you don't even know which of them will end up matriculating. I would try to talk with current grad students (preferably out of earshot of faculty). Their personality/behavior/attitude will be much more telling.

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11 minutes ago, Glasperlenspieler said:

I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Being a potential student is sort of awkward as it is and especially in this scenario, so you probably didn't really have a chance to see their personalities. Plus, you don't even know which of them will end up matriculating. I would try to talk with current grad students (preferably out of earshot of faculty). Their personality/behavior/attitude will be much more telling.

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Also, because the visit is virtual, there wasn't a time or way to get to know each other without any faculty or staff present. Thanks for giving me some context and I will definitely be consulting current grad students!

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2 hours ago, politics 'n prose said:

Penn State MA/PhD admit here: When I spoke to the assistant DGS, she made a point of saying they like to let admitted students know as early as possible to give them ample time to make a decision, which suggests to me that all first-round acceptances have gone out and now they’re just waiting to see who says yes and who says no before they dip into their (potentially secret?) waitlist. Sorry I don’t have more concrete information to share, but good luck!

Thank you so much for the information and for the good luck!! I really hope i am on the hopefully potentially secret waitlist cuz i haven’t heard back from Penn State at all and have been rejected from everywhere else i applied to...

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Anyone else still stuck in that awful almost/not quite shutout limbo? I’m still waiting on one school that has sent out a couple of acceptances but it’s all weird and unknown regarding whether this is it for them or if they’re still making decisions. I’m starting to write it off as a rejection in my mind but the uncertainty combined with the desperation to get in somewhere is driving me insane...

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3 hours ago, onerepublic96 said:

Anyone else still stuck in that awful almost/not quite shutout limbo? I’m still waiting on one school that has sent out a couple of acceptances but it’s all weird and unknown regarding whether this is it for them or if they’re still making decisions. I’m starting to write it off as a rejection in my mind but the uncertainty combined with the desperation to get in somewhere is driving me insane...

YUP. The fact that there’s still a tiny glimmer of hope is really messing me up honestly. It’s this weird thing where I genuinely know I won’t get in, but when I finally get the rejection I’ll still be shocked and devastated because until I hear back there’s still that 0.001% chance I could make the cut. 

It's been really rough and I shake my computer in a violent rage every night, but we're getting closer to the finish line. Hang in there! 

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9 hours ago, meghan_sparkle said:

In response to mass cancellations/coronavirus a good friend of mine said "Surely they will just move the decision date to May 1st or 15th, depending on how the mass coronavirus outbreak affects universities?" Which sounds sensible but I don't think there's really a possibility of that, is there? I mean, people are in situations where they can't attend visits all the time (geography, inadequate reimbursement, a full-time job or studying) and it sounds like April 15 is a nationally binding deadline. (Then again: maybe programs that had to cancel their visits are already thinking it might really throw their yield, so would have an interest in collectively deciding with other programs to move the date? Maybe that's implausible but look this whole thing is implausible...)

Like @tansy, rue, root, & seed, I'm having a lot of trouble already weighing up a program I visited (Yale) with another couple that are top choices, but which I will not get to visit. It's just so difficult not to be swayed by known variables (what the area is like, feel of the department and current students, faculty telling you to your face that they want to work with you) vs trying to ascertain those variables at other programs through phone conversations and email chains, which even if they're lengthy just ... aren't the same. It's really hard not to just go with one I visited because it feels like both the best and safest option, but I also really don't want to regret that later!

I'm also concerned that faculty who would have otherwise set aside time to participate fully in visiting days are the very same people now scrambling to deal with a totally unprecedented situation w/r/t current students and teaching—figuring out how they'll teach their courses online or via Zoom rather than connecting with prospective PhD students. It'll slide much lower on the totem pole of priorities, surely? Ugh. 

UM WHAT IS YOUR SECRET TO ALL THOSE ADMITS?!

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9 hours ago, WanYesOnly said:

Just realising how seriously unbelievable all this is. I'm an international student and literally just landed back in my country just before the madness of cancellations began. I'm so thankful I got to visit my schools but I'm also wondering, does anyone else wonder if the US and the world will have a handle on the coronavirus by Aug/Sept in time for fall semester or will the world plunge into chaos and we will forever remain the cohort that didn't make it to matriculation?

not to be too cynical, but i think the real selfish fear to be had in how this will affect academia is in how it might affect the future of teaching as a profession

a lot of campuses have shut down and made all their classes into online classes already, and i'm guessing many more will follow amidst this hysteria. once schools realize they can effectively get away with running everything online (if things are able to run smoothly enough along), then there might be more of a push toward online education, meaning less jobs! less pay! and, reportedly, less knowledge-retention for students! obviously online education is a much more nuanced thing itself, and it can be really positive in enabling nontraditional students to access higher education - however, the move toward total online education would not be great for the plight of the adjunct (understatement of the year)

 

and as has already been said here and elsewhere, the immunocompromised are the most likely to be seriously affected by the coronavirus. what's special about this virus is in how it can be spread so quickly without carriers ever even exhibiting symptoms (for around 14 days of incubation!). with this being the case, along with the absolute inadequacy (and moral corruption) of both our healthcare system and our social safety net in the united states, the virus is much more likely to be spread and much more likely to affect these individuals. i don't foresee the actual virus lasting long past the traditional flu season and into the summertime, but what i think and hope will be more lasting is the outrage it inspires toward these systems. im already on my soapbox, so if you all are looking for a reason to get politically involved, this it it! there couldn't be a more timely reason to join the fight for universal healthcare in the united states!

 

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7 hours ago, ecogoth said:

not to be too cynical, but i think the real selfish fear to be had in how this will affect academia is in how it might affect the future of teaching as a profession

a lot of campuses have shut down and made all their classes into online classes already, and i'm guessing many more will follow amidst this hysteria. once schools realize they can effectively get away with running everything online (if things are able to run smoothly enough along), then there might be more of a push toward online education, meaning less jobs! less pay! and, reportedly, less knowledge-retention for students! obviously online education is a much more nuanced thing itself, and it can be really positive in enabling nontraditional students to access higher education - however, the move toward total online education would not be great for the plight of the adjunct (understatement of the year)

 

and as has already been said here and elsewhere, the immunocompromised are the most likely to be seriously affected by the coronavirus. what's special about this virus is in how it can be spread so quickly without carriers ever even exhibiting symptoms (for around 14 days of incubation!). with this being the case, along with the absolute inadequacy (and moral corruption) of both our healthcare system and our social safety net in the united states, the virus is much more likely to be spread and much more likely to affect these individuals. i don't foresee the actual virus lasting long past the traditional flu season and into the summertime, but what i think and hope will be more lasting is the outrage it inspires toward these systems. im already on my soapbox, so if you all are looking for a reason to get politically involved, this it it! there couldn't be a more timely reason to join the fight for universal healthcare in the united states!

 

 We have universal health care in my country (not talking about South Korea btw) and I've just never understood why the US doesn't. In any case, even with universal health care, we have a poor health sector and although the virus hasn't reached my country, we all know we would crumble if it did. Personally, this virus has exposed how vulnerable health systems are all over the world not to mention the vaccine won't be free if/when it's completed. I just don't know, there's loads to worry about and just when I finally got in somewhere and thought my anxiety would reduce. Anyway, good luck to those still waiting to hear from somewhere, I do hope you get in :)

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Just finished up UW's virtual visit. I'm excited and happy with my experience! Also, impressed that they impressed me even though it was webcam format the entire time. Now just waiting on more communication from BU re: visits of any kind...

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So I'm seeing on the news that a lot of the Ivies basically just told everyone to take their books and computers home and, effectively, plan NOT to return to campus after spring break. I'm in shock. Harvard and MIT were mentioned in specific. What is even HAPPENING??

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My school is debating on having everything taught online for the rest of the semester right now and I am shooketh to the core

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Just got my first campus visit cancellation. I'm sure the next one will arrive soon. Hooray. I already knew which way I was leaning, but now I feel like I'm going to end up making a (huge) decision without all the information I thought I would have.

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8 minutes ago, hamnet in tights said:

So I'm seeing on the news that a lot of the Ivies basically just told everyone to take their books and computers home and, effectively, plan NOT to return to campus after spring break. I'm in shock. Harvard and MIT were mentioned in specific. What is even HAPPENING??

My university (not an Ivy and in state that so far has fewer than 10 cases, none of them connected to the university) informed us all a few hours ago that we are to stay away for the two weeks after spring break (which starts Monday) - we'll be doing everything online until April 5. Frankly, I'm angry - I think this is a massive overreaction that is far from guaranteeing to stop people from getting the virus anyway (they're just sending everyone home and telling them to come back in three weeks; some people will be going home to harder-hit places than my area and the odds are someone will just bring it back with them!) and that will inevitably take a major toll on academic performance across the university.

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I really fear the whole "accelerating the move toward online education" scenario. I think a few online classes here and there are fine, but largely, online education sucks. (I will also note that I've definitely made online classes for a paycheck before, lol.)

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