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hello friends! Just an update that I officially accepted my VCU offer a few days ago. After weighing options and existing in a horrible liminal space of decision making, I feel really excited about my choice and am really looking forward to getting to know Richmond. If anyone else is going to VCU I'd love to connect :)

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AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I GOT INTO SJCNY!!!!!!! I’M GOING TO COLLEGE. Brb I’m gonna go move my car and maybe cry happy tears a little bit.

Babes, I was just waitlisted at Michener for fiction!! ❤️❤️❤️

I just got accepted at Miami of Ohio (poetry)! My little ones and I just popped open the bottle of sparkling Welch's that has been sitting in the fridge door. I told them I got into an MFA and my d

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20 hours ago, cosmictones said:

 If you have trust fund, go to Columbia learn poetry from Timothy Donnelly!

And even then, it better be a hefty trust fund lol 

Unless you have access to what many of us would consider to be unlimited wealth, I think that Columbia is basically always an irrational financial choice, though it is one that, yes, occasionally pays off in the form of literary (i.e., not financial) success. If you're lucky enough to have, like, $100k in unearned change lying around (which wouldn't even cover 2 years of tuition, I believe) i honestly suggest you just go buy a house instead

The Columbia MFA is just always such a bad investment, even in the rare instances in which it pays off. There's really almost no way to rationalize it from a $ POV

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2 hours ago, Starbuck420 said:

And even then, it better be a hefty trust fund lol 

Unless you have access to what many of us would consider to be unlimited wealth, I think that Columbia is basically always an irrational financial choice, though it is one that, yes, occasionally pays off in the form of literary (i.e., not financial) success. If you're lucky enough to have, like, $100k in unearned change lying around (which wouldn't even cover 2 years of tuition, I believe) i honestly suggest you just go buy a house instead

The Columbia MFA is just always such a bad investment, even in the rare instances in which it pays off. There's really almost no way to rationalize it from a $ POV

perhaps you are right. but is financials the only thing here? maybe some people don't want to buy a house. I feel like the criticism is mostly about financials. 

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26 minutes ago, Blackhole said:

perhaps you are right. but is financials the only thing here? maybe some people don't want to buy a house. I feel like the criticism is mostly about financials. 

sure, that's true. but my point is just that the decision to attend this particular program is inextricably a financial one, and almost always a bad financial decision at that (unless you're super rich)

That doesn't mean it's a bad decision per se. sometimes people go into debt for this degree and get exactly what they want out of it. but, again, it's important just to be honest about the financial costs. If you accept those, then fine. But I think people frequently go into it without a full understanding of what they're getting into. It's usually a horrible financial decision 

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Columbia hasn't lied about its lack of funding. so I don't get most of the criticism I have seen on draft. and many writers have attended it and they are pretty good and write very well. 

but nobody talks about that. and there is always some kind of meanness when it comes to Columbia. you are right about the understanding the financial cost 

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6 minutes ago, Blackhole said:

Columbia hasn't lied about its lack of funding. so I don't get most of the criticism I have seen on draft. and many writers have attended it and they are pretty good and write very well. 

never said that they lie about it, and never said that they fail to produce or attract good writers

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Hey yall -- Finally got admitted to Facebook MFA Draft '21 group. Whew! There's SO much info there it's overwhelming tbh.

Yet another day of no communication from UNM......... Trying to stay grounded by reminding myself how fortunate I am / have been during this global pandemic & hope it stays that way. Gratitude & meditation, am i rite? One day at a time......

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Anyone got an answer back from Creative Writing postdoc fellowships? I've been scourging this site but have yet to find anything on the programs I submitted to. (Didn't do Stegner, and Stegner was the only info I could find) 

Had my interview but have been waiting since then! It's torture. 

So far: One interview, one rejection, waiting to hear back from two others. 

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41 minutes ago, awarewren said:

Anyone got an answer back from Creative Writing postdoc fellowships? I've been scourging this site but have yet to find anything on the programs I submitted to. (Didn't do Stegner, and Stegner was the only info I could find) 

Had my interview but have been waiting since then! It's torture. 

So far: One interview, one rejection, waiting to hear back from two others. 

Congrats on your interview! Which program was it for?

I've had rejections from Stegner and Colgate, waiting to hear from Wisconsin and Bucknell (Roth). 

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Just now, quesofresco said:

Congrats on your interview! Which program was it for?

I've had rejections from Stegner and Colgate, waiting to hear from Wisconsin and Bucknell (Roth). 

Thank you! It was the Mellon postdoc at Grinnell. The interviewers were super nice and I loved their works/interests.  

I was rejected from UT Austin and am also waiting to hear back from Wisconsin. (The deadline was pretty late though wasn't it?) The last one is James Jones, which is a bit different I guess. There's so little info on creative writing postdoc fellowships! Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. 

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33 minutes ago, awarewren said:

Thank you! It was the Mellon postdoc at Grinnell. The interviewers were super nice and I loved their works/interests.  

I was rejected from UT Austin and am also waiting to hear back from Wisconsin. (The deadline was pretty late though wasn't it?) The last one is James Jones, which is a bit different I guess. There's so little info on creative writing postdoc fellowships! Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. 

Hope you hear good news soon! I know that James Jones doesn't notify until September. Wisconsin said they'll notify by mid/late April (I got my rejection last week of April last year). 

I agree it's frustratingly difficult to find info on post-mfa fellowships/opportunities... like info that they even exist, much less when they notify. Your post is the first time I've heard of the Mellon fellowship, and I just learned about the UT Early Career fellowship (is that what you're referencing here?) right after the deadline had passed....

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22 minutes ago, quesofresco said:

Hope you hear good news soon! I know that James Jones doesn't notify until September. Wisconsin said they'll notify by mid/late April (I got my rejection last week of April last year). 

I agree it's frustratingly difficult to find info on post-mfa fellowships/opportunities... like info that they even exist, much less when they notify. Your post is the first time I've heard of the Mellon fellowship, and I just learned about the UT Early Career fellowship (is that what you're referencing here?) right after the deadline had passed....

Thank you so much for that bit on Wisconsin! I didn’t know when they notified people. With the pandemic and all, the timelines seem wonkier & subject to change. Hope we both get good news very soon. (and yep! That's the one)

If you’re still up to apply, here are some resources: 

> Rising Scholars Postdoc Fellowship 

https://uva.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/UVAJobs/job/Charlottesville-VA/Rising-Scholars-Postdoctoral-Fellows_R0022634

(I can’t apply because I earned my degree in 2018, but if you finished your MFA any time between 2019 and now, you should apply! Deadline is April 12th though)

> Great blog with post-mfa fellowship info! 

https://post-mfa.tumblr.com/fellowships

(I just found this today. Has a lot of fellowships with deadlines that go beyond May, so you'll have plenty time to prepare.)

I’m sad that a lot of these places have specifications on when you received your degree. I should’ve applied last year, but granted, I'm just happy I survived 2020 lol. 

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8 minutes ago, awarewren said:

Thank you so much for that bit on Wisconsin! I didn’t know when they notified people. With the pandemic and all, the timelines seem wonkier & subject to change. Hope we both get good news very soon. 

If you’re still up to apply, here are some resources: 

> Rising Scholars Postdoc Fellowship 

https://uva.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/UVAJobs/job/Charlottesville-VA/Rising-Scholars-Postdoctoral-Fellows_R0022634

(I can’t apply because I earned my degree in 2018, but if you finished your MFA any time between 2019 and now, you should apply! Deadline is April 12th though)

> Great blog with post-mfa fellowship info! 

https://post-mfa.tumblr.com/fellowships

(I just found this today. Has a lot of fellowships with deadlines that go beyond May, so you'll have plenty time to prepare.)

I’m sad that a lot of these places have specifications on when you received your degree. I should’ve applied last year, but granted, I'm just happy I survived 2020 lol. 

Thanks for this! I didn't know about the UVA fellowship. Also I have a spreadsheet of different opportunities; I'll DM you if you're interested. 

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7 minutes ago, quesofresco said:

Thanks for this! I didn't know about the UVA fellowship. Also I have a spreadsheet of different opportunities; I'll DM you if you're interested. 

Please do! I can DM writing contests/magazines that are open right now, but you may already know all of them. 

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On 3/8/2021 at 6:43 PM, timiwee said:

Hi everyone!

First time applier, first time posting.

Advice on interpreting getting waitlisted? 

I've been a lurker here since applications were due and checking periodically. I know this is a super stressful time for everyone applying so my heart goes out to anyone in various stages of limbo. I'm a college senior in undergrad and this is my first time applying. I mostly did it on a whim to see if MFA's were something I wanted to do post-grad. Ended up only applying to one program (Iowa for Fiction) because I wasn't really sure what I wanted and applications during senior year were really time consuming.  

But anyways, I got some goodish news today, which is why I'm posting:

I got a letter today saying that I'm on the waitlist for the fiction program at Iowa! 

The letter was short but said I'd know in April and that the waitlist was "very short" which is encouraging but also pretty opaque.

I'm thrilled just to get on the waitlist but am curious about others experiences with waitlists as I try to prepare myself for what this could mean, and what my chances are realistically for getting accepted off a waitlist.

 

Would love to hear anyones thoughts on waitlist process, and good luck out there as more decisions come in!

Sorry to dig up a month-old post but does anyone know if this post was legit? Their details don't really line up with any other Iowa fiction waitlistee details I've seen, either in terms of notification date (8th vs. 19th), the form (a letter versus an email like others), or the content (specifying length of list and April timeline). I mean I feel kind of like a jerk not taking this person at face value, but knowing the history of trolling on this board and considering they dropped just a single "la-la-I-was-barely-trying-teehee" post then bounced... I just don't know if it was a troll just trying to stir up anxiety about many people's dream school or a really busy senior who forgot about Gradcafe (although I'd think being on a waitlist, like me, would only increase one's monitoring of GC lol). If you're reading this @timiwee and you were sincere, I do apologize!

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On 4/4/2021 at 5:26 PM, Cristie said:

Probably a dumb question but I really don't know the answer since I've always lived in my own house. While weighing this program or that program and considering rent/food/utilities and all that...can rent (college graduate apartments) be put on a student loan and a meal plan at their dining hall? Or is all that expected to be out of pocket? I've never had a student loan before so I'm not sure what all it covers??? I didn't apply to any fully-funded programs so I knew I'd have to get a loan for some of the cost but as I'm doing some math...ugh. I need to do some research obviously but hoped someone might just know so I could save some time before I dive into the internet. THANKS!

Cristie

Not a dumb question at all. So US graduate programs in general calculate an amount that is called the total Cost of Attendance (COA) or some variation of that. This is the sum of tuition, fees, estimated housing costs (varies whether you select on or off-campus), food, transportation, med. insurance (if applicable), etc.--basically everything it will take for you to live and go to class there. Then from that they will subtract your EFC (estimated financial contribution, i.e. money out of your pocket) based on your FAFSA results, grants, fellowships, scholarships, etc--we'll call this "Funds." The resulting amount will be the gap between COA (cost of attendance) and your funds, i.e. your "Need." As a US citizen/permanent resident, you are entitled to federal loans with fixed low interest rates in amounts up to this total "Need" estimated by the school. Yearly, up to $20,500 of this "Need" will be covered by the Federal Unsubsidized Stafford Loan (about 4.3% this year, which is fixed for the life of the loan), then anything beyond that can be covered by the Grad PLUS Loan (about 5.3% this year, again, fixed for the life of the loan). Again, the max amount of that PLUS loan will depend on the remaining "Need" calculated by the university, and you don't even have to borrow the full amount if you think it's unnecessary. This Grad PLUS loan is the only loan that will do a credit check, but I know people who have had pretty bad credit be approved easily.

So all of this aid is packaged to you, and after it's applied to tuition and fees, the remaining amount is refunded to your account in one big check (each semester). That money you can spend however you wish, but obviously you'll want to actually spend it how it was intended--to live. Lol

One of the primary benefits of these federal loans, aside from ease of access and low fixed rate, are the various income-based federal repayment options that allow you to not live life in total abject poverty after graduation by handing over 50% of your paycheck every month. https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/repayment/plans

Pro Tip: I'm not a fan of going into debt at all, BUT for anyone who plans to take out these low-interest federal loans AND has any sort of higher-interest balance on a credit card/car/private loan, consider utilizing the generous COA estimate (really it's almost always more than you need) and borrow enough to also pay down those debts and essentially convert them to lower interest long-term federal loans. It makes general financial sense and your credit rating will improve immediately.

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Hi all,

Longtime lurker here! I applied to four MFA programs for fiction: University of Washington - Seattle (rejected), Portland State University (accepted), Saint Mary's College of California (accepted with a paid assistantship), and University of San Francisco.

I am having the hardest time choosing between Saint Mary's and Portland State. They have both given me a deadline of April 15th. Does anybody know anything/have an opinion about these two schools that might sway me? Also, I have heard diddly squat from University of San Francisco; I emailed the program director, and they said they typically make decisions six weeks after the deadline––which would have been early March. However, their program director added, "We are unable to predict exactly when the program's faculty will finish their application reviews." I saw one person was accepted on here a while ago for fiction. I'm confused why I haven't been rejected yet––as I have with UW. Is it possible they wait until after the April 10/15 deadline to see which first picks are going to attend before getting back to other applicants? Is this normal?

Thanks!

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17 minutes ago, buildscharacters said:

Hi all,

Longtime lurker here! I applied to four MFA programs for fiction: University of Washington - Seattle (rejected), Portland State University (accepted), Saint Mary's College of California (accepted with a paid assistantship), and University of San Francisco.

I am having the hardest time choosing between Saint Mary's and Portland State. They have both given me a deadline of April 15th. Does anybody know anything/have an opinion about these two schools that might sway me? Also, I have heard diddly squat from University of San Francisco; I emailed the program director, and they said they typically make decisions six weeks after the deadline––which would have been early March. However, their program director added, "We are unable to predict exactly when the program's faculty will finish their application reviews." I saw one person was accepted on here a while ago for fiction. I'm confused why I haven't been rejected yet––as I have with UW. Is it possible they wait until after the April 10/15 deadline to see which first picks are going to attend before getting back to other applicants? Is this normal?

Thanks!

Hi There,

I have also yet to hear from USF, although I decided to accept University of New Hampshire. Hopefully we will hear something soon just to have the information ya know?

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14 minutes ago, buildscharacters said:

I hope so! It seems so odd not to be at least rejected by now. Would you have chosen USF over UNH?

I would still have chosen UNH mostly because I liked the program alot more, and well, I got a half scholarship so it all worked out! Ryan Van Meter is my hero though, so when I saw he was on the faculty at USF I think I cried lol. If you haven't read his memoir "If You Knew Then What I Know Now." I totally recommend it. I've read it over three times and used it in my English undergrad senior thesis.

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12 hours ago, truffleshuffle said:

So all of this aid is packaged to you, and after it's applied to tuition and fees, the remaining amount is refunded to your account in one big check (each semester). That money you can spend however you wish, but obviously you'll want to actually spend it how it was intended--to live. Lol
 

This was a great answer--Thank you for taking the time to spell it out for me. I'm not anti-loan at all. We have to have them really, I don't see these as any different than house, car, etc. Ultimately, I am investing in ME. I intentionally paid off my car early (yeah) so that I wouldn't have that expense to move with me. I just read about the income-based repayment option and that sounds like a big improvement since the days of horror stories about student loan debt. I have zero credit card debt because I don't like credit cards and I don't live beyond my means.

New question, about the money is applied to tuition/fees and the rest is refunded to you to live on in a big check each semester. If that is the case, I will need to have some upfront money of my own for a deposit/first month's rent most likely because I want to move to my new state early to be sure I get a place and get settled (learn my way around) before school starts right? This part sounds like it comes down to a tricky timing issue that could put me in a pinch if I'm not smart about it. The whole waiting for a refund check. I know I'll eat the moving costs if I actually pack up and move-move but I'm thinking now to pack what I need in my car and drive there then just find thrifty items to fill in the gaps once I'm there. Then it sounds like a bank account and an auto pay for the rent with the refund. Am I on the right track with this? 

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Saw someone posted on Results that they got accepted to UNM yest for fiction. I guess that means there's hope for the CNF side.... TT__TT Pls stop playing w/ my heart UNM, it's bad for my health 😫🤕

Guess I'll sit here w/ my cat & plants & wait for that magical email to hit my inbox.........

Wishing everyone a sunny weekend!

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For the second year folks on here or anyone who knows. There is all this focus on April 15th. What happens after that...so all the schools decide. All of us decide...there have to be loose ends. Like if you are waitlisted but accept somewhere else, then your waitlist school comes through on April 16th because someone decided at the last minute and freed up a spot? Then what happens? Can that even happen? Are offers made after April 15th? I'm kind of in freak out mode because I know I need to make a decision but I'm holding out hope on this waitlist spot. 

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