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YOU GUYS!!!  I've just been accepted to UNC-Chapel Hill! 

I got into Brandeis. Having so many good feelings.

Hey I was accepted to irvine today

I definitely think that with SMU being so young, that they are using it as an opportunity to be cutting edge. They also seem to have more money than god to throw at building the program, too. But, besides the tech and the travel funding, they're doing a lot structurally. For teaching prep, they actually do observations and feedback, just like you would do in a secondary school setting. Frankly, that should be done at all levels. How often in college have you had a brilliant prof that was an awful instructor? Being brilliant and a an authority doesn't mean you can communicate effectively (soapbox). I just saw that we have the opportunity to stay on for one year as a visiting professor/adjunct our seventh year (or after we've defended our dissertation)--not does that give us usable experience for our job search, it gives us an environment that we can conduct a job search in without worrying about our loan payments. Sure it's a competitive posting, but that's a lot more than other schools offer. I don't know. If I had known at first that they were only 6 years old, I probably wouldn't have applied (I found out at interview weekend), but ultimately, in this specific instance, youth doesn't matter--it's a very student driven program, very focused on building a legacy and reputation. And more money than the law school. ;-)

 

That's really awesome.  Pedagogy is so important, and not every school places enough emphasis on it.  It's also nice to have the option of a fallback year when you're on the job hunt.  Congrats!

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I know that there's been at least a little movement on Penn State's wait-list, but I haven't heard anything (no grad-cafe-ers, at least) about Michigan's. I kinda wish I at least knew when their visiting week(s)/open house/whatever was happening so I might have an idea. For me, "nail biting" is kind of literal--my fingers look a little bit like I've shoved them into a garbage disposal because of this whole process.

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Yep. No nail biting here, but I've been stress-cooking and watching terrible, terrible TV. I've gotten through two seasons of Supernatural, and there's about 5 pounds of cookie dough, 2 weeks worth of waffles, and enough chili to feed an army in my freezer...

 

I know that there's been at least a little movement on Penn State's wait-list, but I haven't heard anything (no grad-cafe-ers, at least) about Michigan's. I kinda wish I at least knew when their visiting week(s)/open house/whatever was happening so I might have an idea. For me, "nail biting" is kind of literal--my fingers look a little bit like I've shoved them into a garbage disposal because of this whole process.

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I know that there's been at least a little movement on Penn State's wait-list, but I haven't heard anything (no grad-cafe-ers, at least) about Michigan's. I kinda wish I at least knew when their visiting week(s)/open house/whatever was happening so I might have an idea. For me, "nail biting" is kind of literal--my fingers look a little bit like I've shoved them into a garbage disposal because of this whole process.

Oh, sorry. I wish I'd known you didn't know! It's the 20-22! Many programs list them on the events calendars of their websites in case anyone else is curious about other schools and hopefully that will help you spare some nerves until the 23?

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I'm off the wait list at Michigan!

 

Hooray for you! Would you mind sharing a little more info? What is your area of interest, and do you know more about how the wait list works? Thanks!

 

ETA: nrrmind, I see you're comp lit. ... wonder if the English waitlist works similarly... But CONGRATS! :)

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Hooray for you! Would you mind sharing a little more info? What is your area of interest, and do you know more about how the wait list works? Thanks!   ETA: nrrmind, I see you're comp lit. ... wonder if the English waitlist works similarly... But CONGRATS! :)
Well, it's probably the same. I think they both keep a very small wait list and it's specific to area of interest. Like, they get their top choices lined up and then create a wait list for each specific area. That way if Person X declines the spot they have Person W to fill that 20th century Russian lit. spot, for example. Also I think I accidentally clicked a button on your post that hurts your reputation and it won't let me undo it... I suck. I'm sorry.
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Like, they get their top choices lined up and then create a wait list for each specific area. That way if Person X declines the spot they have Person W to fill that 20th century Russian lit. spot, for example. 

 

I think wait lists work slightly differently than this. Most schools accept more students than they suspect will enroll. I know that Irvine, for example where I am wait listed, accepted 15 students and hopes to enroll 10. Therefore, at least 6 students must decline before they go to the waitlist. In other words, it is not necessarily the case that because person A studying contemporary poetry declines, they will accept person B studying contemporary poetry. 

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I think wait lists work slightly differently than this. Most schools accept more students than they suspect will enroll. I know that Irvine, for example where I am wait listed, accepted 15 students and hopes to enroll 10. Therefore, at least 6 students must decline before they go to the waitlist. In other words, it is not necessarily the case that because person A studying contemporary poetry declines, they will accept person B studying contemporary poetry. 

 

This is one way of going about it, but another is the way smellybug says it. For example, I was on the waitlist for Ethnic and Third World Lit. When the one person they wanted for their cohort that year declined, I got the spot because it kept the balance of areas they wanted. If a Medeval lit person had declined, I would have been no closer to getting in. So, it depends on how your school wants to build a cohort.

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Right, I understand that, but every school that has accepted or wait listed me has accepted more than their target incoming class. Rochester accepted 12 and is hoping for an incoming class of 6. So to go to the wait list, 7 or more people must decline. Those 7 who decline might be, for example 1) Renaissance; 2) Contemporary Film; 3) 20th C British Lit; 4) Contemporary Am. Lit; 5) 19th C British Lit; 6) Modernist Poetry; 7) Silent Film. So after those 7 have declined, the program will asses those applicants on the wait list to see who will be admitted. Just because one person who declined studies contemporary film doesn't mean that the 1 they accept off the wait list will study contemporary film. Right?

 

I haven't heard of a single program that only accepts the exact number of their target entering class.

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There are actually quite a few programs that simply can't afford to accept more than their target number because if they did so and everyone accepted decided to matriculate, they'd have a lot of budget issues to deal with. Better to have a long waitlist in that case. This is, of course, just general word of mouth knowledge.

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There are actually quite a few programs that simply can't afford to accept more than their target number because if they did so and everyone accepted decided to matriculate, they'd have a lot of budget issues to deal with. Better to have a long waitlist in that case. This is, of course, just general word of mouth knowledge.

 

I am going off of the 7 programs where I have either been waitlisted or accepted, as well as the university where I am completing my MA. I would wager that the vast majority (thought not ALL) of PhD in English programs in the US initially accept at least a few more students than their target class size. All I am trying to say is that there is not a 1 to 1 ratio of first round admits declining to watlisters being accepted.

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Oh I would never claim that most, or even a lot, of programs admit exactly the amount of students they hope to yield. I was just responding to what you said about not hearing of any programs that did so, which I think I read as an absolute statement, because I have heard of programs that have 1:1 acceptance/waitlist ratios. No offense meant.

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