Ardea
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NELC at Yale is allowed only 2 new students, and those have to be divided between Assyriology, Egyptology, and (Greco-)Arabic Studies. I'd guess that Assyriology will get one new student at the most, and it seems to be unusual for an admitted student to turn the spot down.
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I was wondering the same and emailed my POI about a week ago. No response...indicating perhaps it is bad form?
Yes, it is. It's pushy to demand a response before late March at the earliest.
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As a warning, Michalowski and Beckman at Michigan are very near retirement, and Yoffee already retired. Foster at Yale is retiring soon as well, I believe. Whether they will be replaced remains to be seen. Chicago has a reputation for being a rather competitive and unfriendly place to be, though its resources and faculty are definitely unmatched.
I second the above suggestions of JHU, NYU, UCLA, and Berkeley; JHU is actively expanding its department with the two new hires in Assyriology and a rumored search for a new position in Levantine archaeology. Adding to the list, you also have Brandeis, Penn State, Cornell, and (new to the game) Brown. UT Austin may be worth a look if you're primarily interested in Akkadian and comparative Semitics. I know at least two people who've done Assyriology at Columbia with Van De Mieroop, but I don't know how feasible that typically is.
Unfortunately, it's horrifically difficult to get into decent Assyriology programs these days. Many programs accept only one new student a year and sometimes none at all. Funding at some of these - Berkeley, UCLA, Toronto, etc. - is quite tight. Additionally, although it is usually not officially required that a student have had Akkadian and/or Sumerian, a student with at least one year of Akkadian will have a huge leg up in admissions - these are difficult languages, and professors like to see that a new student could handle them; it also speeds up progress toward the dissertation.
As a back-up plan in the event you don't get in anywhere and you don't already have Akkadian, you may want to consider taking Akkadian at a nearby seminary or div school if it's available (e.g. Sasson teaches Akkadian at Vandy) and reapply next year. The MA program at CUA, which is at least partially funded if I remember correctly, may also be something to consider. If you do decide to apply somewhere in Germany, look into the DAAD scholarship.
https://www.daad.org...ip/index.v3page
You're correct about Leiden. Courses are usually taught in English, and it has a fine reputation in Assyriology. It's also decent for Hittitology with Kloekhost on staff.
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I just sent you a rather lengthy message.
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Michigan interviews and notifies early; no news at this point is likely bad news. Penn is notoriously slow...acceptances are sent out by late March, if I recall, but rejected students can be notified as late as April. Odds at Penn in your field are slim to none without at least a year of Akkadian or Egyptian.
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Hi! I also study the ancient Near East, specifically Egypt. I applied to Hopkins, Penn, Brown, Berkeley and UCLA (though for UCLA's gen archaeology program). Has anyone heard from any of them? It is always so hard to tell in NES because we all have such diverse specialities and I wonder how acceptances are split up within the department..? I have not heard from ANY of them yet and I am slowly going crazy, but misery loves company, so I'm glad I'm not the only on waiting on pins and needles.
Berkeley typically sends out acceptances earlier than any other NELC school, and I think no news by now is not a good sign. Same for Brown, which sends out all of its interview weekend invitations at once (not all of whom will be admitted). Hopkins typically notifies by the end of February. Response times for UCLA vary. Penn is notoriously late about responding, and I would not expect a decision before (mid-)March.
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Here's a list of MA programs. I don't know how many of them are funded.
http://classicaljournal.org/MA-programs.php
I've heard FSU offers pretty good funding, and it has a good reputation. My interests lie in archaeology, so I don't know how its language offerings are.
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Yes, this. This is the reality. If you don't like it, perhaps you aren't prepared for a career in this field. Professors don't get along, they fight, they disagree, they hold grudges. I much prefer someone who isn't going to blow smoke up my ass and tell me how it really is to someone who is looking to make me feel better.
Nothing turns off students, particularly undergraduates, more than arrogance, and that distasteful trait is often acquired in graduate school. The presence of backstabbing in academia doesn't mean one needs to begin sharpening a knife now. With a PhD completion rate often under 50% in history departments, it stands to reason that quite a lot more can be achieved through mutual support than competition. It's one reason, in fact, that I chose the department I did.
There's also the fact that such bitter disagreements are often downright embarrassing when viewed by the greater public, particularly since many of these issues are viewed as trivial matters.
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One of my Professors recommended not to e-mail anyone unless you actually have valid questions. Others think differently.
I think it's definitely worth contacting the department(s) you're considering. You can found out important information that way.
You could learn that some professors you want to work with will be retiring/going on sabbatical/switching universities, that they may not be accepting applicants in your track since they enrolled too many the year before, etc.
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Consider the cost of living. Those programs may be all well and good, but who can afford to pay for LA, NYC, or DC on top of what you're paying for school?
UNC has an absolutely wonderful department, and the faculty members are extremely nice and helpful. (Translation: I think it's hands down the best, but I'm probably biased.) Living in Chapel Hill or Carrboro can be a little expensive (though still much cheaper than most places outside the South), but Durham is dirt cheap and only a 15 minute drive away. On the religion side of things, the professors I know working in that area (Jodi Magness, Zlatko Plese) are incredibly good lecturers, though I don't know how they are as advisors.
If you have a BA in Classics, though, why not shoot for a MA program? There are a few funded terminal programs (Arizona, Tulane, Vandy, Tufts, etc.) that have good track records. The Religions of Western Antiquity program at FSU may be of interest to you as well.
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any thoughts on the AAMW program at UPenn?
http://www.arthistory.upenn.edu/aamw/admissions.html
They offer both an MA and a PhD.
I might die if I ever got into that program. It is technically through the art history, but it does say this about languages:
"If Classical art and archaeology is your principal area of construction, you should be aware that AAMW does not normally admit candidates unless they have begun instruction in both Greek and Latin, and taken at least one language to an intermediate-advanced level. Students who have not yet begun instruction in an ancient language, or have studied only one of them, will have difficulty securing admission to the program. "
Would it even be worth applying? I plan on taking an advanced Latin course in the Spring, but that's all I have room for.
AAMW is one of the best programs, along with AHMA at Berkeley and IPCAA at Michigan, and is highly selective (think 1 in 40 admits...). I'd be VERY surprised if an applicant with only a year or two of Latin and Greek made it past the first round. I would drop that chance to almost zero if you don't have both French and German as well.
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No need to freak out! If you're going to be applying, you need to find a way now to de-stress. For me, it was exercising and heading to the campus gardens. For others, it may be a strong drink.
If you plan on doing museum work, you may also want to consider a MA in art history. There are several good ones with strong concentrations in classical art/archaeology. NYU's IFA is the best known, of course, but there are other good ones - Missouri, UNC, and UT Austin, for example.
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I have been accepted into an MA program with partial funding. In the acceptance letter, they said that if I don't accept the admission by March 19th, they are going to assume I don't want it. This program is a great fit for me and I will probably accept their offer, but I am still waiting to hear back from three schools and would rather make a decision when I hold all the cards. So, what does one do in this situation? Is it okay to ask for an extension? How do I ask for one? Also, what happens if I accept their offer and then withdraw later? Thanks!
Yes, it's ok to ask for an extension.
Considering how relatively late in the game it is, I would say it's also ok to prod the three programs for a decision. Let them know you've been accepted at a program with a deadline.
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I have one additional question (and this is something I'll also be asking my own professors). Would I be hurting or helping my chances of securing a tenure-track position if I choose to write a dissertation on Near Eastern influences on Greek literature? The topic is much less popular in the States than it is in the UK, and at the moment only a few scholars are deeply invested in this research, meaning it will be hard to put together a dissertation committee. On the other hand, it seems like an expanded view of classical antiquity is important and in line with some trends in modern scholarship (multiculturalism).
Something along the lines of M.L. West and Walter Burkert? I think that could be a very interesting dissertation.
I'm not at the dissertation stage yet either, but I would imagine it's preferable to pick a dissertation that everyone is NOT doing. Easier to stand out that way, no? I suspect (or hope) it's an area that's going to get more attention, at least.
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I received an email the end of January inviting me as a finalist for the Duke Literature PhD program. I've spoken to many of my prof's regarding this process, and they all seem to indicate that no school (they know of) would spend a weekend providing housing, food and various events on students they are not intent to recruit into the program. And thus, they suggested that the process seems like a mere formality (just to ensure there are no glaring misrepresentations) before they formally send out their acceptances
I beg to differ. I was invited to a similar weekend at Brown last year (flight, food, and housing were covered), and only about 1/3 of us were eventually admitted. Many schools do extend this simply as a formality, but I would not assume that's the case.
I'm not in literature, but I would imagine most graduate interviews are similar. At Brown, they had info sessions on day 1. They introduced you to the faculty and graduate students, and everyone did a little spiel. On day 2, there was a tour of campus and Providence and then interviews that afternoon. Each of us was interviewed by the 3 professors whose interests most closely matched our own, as well as the DGS. It was very informal, and the interviews mostly consisted of 1) what we wanted to study 2) why we wanted to study it 3) why we wanted to study it there and 4) how we would fit in at Brown.
I hope that helps...just be prepared, and try not to get nervous. I'm biased, but Duke is pretty awesome, so good luck!
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Hey JPR,
Any results so far? Hope things are turning out well!
JPR got his results by last March.
He chose UCSB, since you're interested.
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Hey, kemet. Sorry to press for info, but do you know if those mid-Feb decisions for Yale are interview invitations? Or do they make offers solely based on apps?
About decisions: the decisions are precisely that, decisions. You'll be able to log in and get your results. Yale is one of the nicer universities that doesn't drag about letting applicants know they're rejected (*coughPenncough*).
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Cornell? Yale?
Assuming they're working on the same time frame as last year, both are still reading applications and should have decisions out around Valentine's or a week or so afterwards.
If acs is curious, Brown extended interview offers in early February last year, which were held around March 15. They interviewed ~15 people for ~5 slots. Classics, archaeology, and Egyptology all interview the same weekend.
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Also, I was wondering if anyone is in the same position as me where their specialty/interest is just not represented by art history faculty in the United States and had to cobble together groups of potential advisors at each school as oppose to one "omg this person fits me PERFECTLY" as I have. Even in this instance, my actual area of interest is not represented--I will have to rely on faculty members in the history and anthropology department to supplement my work.
That's fairly common in ancient fields. A lot of universities don't quite know what to do with ancient art, I think - a lot of times you have the option of studying ancient art and archaeology in classics, art history, near eastern studies, or archaeology/anthropology, all at the same university. That's one reason some universities (Penn, Berkeley, Brown) have been leaning towards interdisciplinary programs that draw on faculty from multiple fields. I was in somewhat the same situation as you last year; I study the artistic interactions between the Aegean, Egypt, and the Near East, and finding any graduate program with faculty in all three areas is virtually impossible.
Congrats on the Duke interview, mitzydoodle! I had classes with Bruzelius and Wharton as an undergrad, and they're both really awesome.
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Who Killed Homer? is a must-read, if you're pondering this. It's 10 years old but still oh so true. My favorite line: We are a busy profession in our eleventh hour.
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You went to Duke for Classics? I sat in on a Medieval Latin class and the seniors in there put me to shame. That program seems to put out really top-notch undergrads.
I did, yes. I suppose it does; I don't really have a basis for comparison. It's probably mostly because there were so few of us, and we combined with grad students in many of our courses.
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Is it silly to hope that during a recession people will stop applying to humanities programs and go for an MBA or something more practical? I wonder if there's any research on application trends correlated with economic trends.
Applications for pretty much all graduate/professional schools were up last year. Students were definitely applying to law/med/business school in droves, but numbers were way up in the humanities too.
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If this year is anything like last year, which I suspect it is, admissions will be very tight. The number of accepted students at almost all universities dropped drastically last year.
That said, I agree with LateAntique about private universities. If I recall correctly, Brown hosted 15 students for an interview weekend and accepted 5 of them last year.
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I meant to give you a thumbs up and accidentally went thumbs down, apologies! I share your stress.
Waiting here as well...