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RISD for sure. I would not hesitate.
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So glad I found this forum... I was feeling kind of alone in this. I am waitlisted for Tyler's Ceramics program (which is my 1st choice) and honestly bummed out. I have to make a decision on these other schools (all different from each other) by APRIL 15TH!!!!!!! I was so dead set on Tyler that I don't think I can make the NEXT BEST decision.
It is good to remember that a good, even great, education can be obtained from hundreds of schools. Most of your education is really on your own shoulders anyway. The professors are only a guide. You have to make the work. That can be done anywhere. And most schools have professors that went to very good schools. I've seen low ranked schools with professors having MFA's from Columbia and Yale. Certainly they will bring the teaching style from those elite schools to the program they are working in.
I really really wanted to go to VCU and I was accepted there. However, without funding, I felt that it was not in my overall best interest. I'm very happy with my choice. If you get so wrapped up in going to only one school, then you may be depressed to go to a school that may turn out to be a better choice for you anyway. Try to remember that if a school does not pick you, then it wasn't the right school for you (at least for this year).
Getting in anywhere is an accomplishment these days as applicants submitting to round 3 or 4 will tell you.
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FML.
"GRADUATE STUDENTS: 2012-2013 Changes to the Federal Direct Subsidized Loan program. Due to federal regulatory changes for 2012-2013, the Federal Direct Subsidized Loan program for graduate students is eliminated, effective with loan periods starting on or after July 1, 2012. As a result, you are no longer eligible to receive Federal Direct Subsidized Loans. However, graduate students can still qualify for Federal Direct Unsubsidized Stafford Loans up to $20,500. Please visitGrad PLUS or Private Loans for other borrowing options for next year.
In addition, the up-front interest rebate will no longer be offered on any Direct Loan first disbursed on or after July 1, 2012."
I'll bet your "awesome funding" offers from SUNY and Univ. of Iowa are looking better and better to ya.
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I just officially accepted at OSU and I just declined Rutgers and Tyler. Hopefully that will provide some good news for those in photo.
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I just officially accepted at OSU and I just declined Rutgers and Tyler. Hopefully that will provide some good news for those in photo.
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For all you peeps trolling this Forum in the future...
Though I am sure I have missed some (and please, if you got an offer not listed here, or you know of another, please add to it), these are the programs I found to have the best funding. In NO particular order:
West
- UCSD (full ride + teaching stipend)
- UC Irvine (I believe there is good funding here, but unsure of details)
- UCLA (both DMA and the regular arts program give up to 100+% funding with teaching)
- USC (many admits get full tuition funding)
- UCSB (full finding + excellent stipend and teaching)
- Stanford (full ride + excellent stipend and teaching)
- UC Berkeley (full ride tuition)
- Mills (not always, but I have heard of 50+% funding here)
- UC Davis (50-70% funding)
- UOregon (full ride + teaching stipend)
- UW (full ride)
Midwest / South
- UTex-Austin (50% or more funding, I have heard of)
- Georgia Tech (MS in Digital Media is a full ride)
- UIowa (I believe there is full funding avail here)
- Indiana (full ride, I believe)
- UChicago (75% tuition funding + teaching stipend) - KEEP an eye on this program. They are dumping a TON of money into the arts here (esp. with their fabulous Logan Arts Center. A "hidden gem" of a program)
- UI-C (I have heard of good funding here)
- Northwestern (full ride + excellent stipend and teaching)
- SAIC (I hear of one full ride and one half ride per department)
- UMichigan (full ride, first year travel funding, free computer, + stipend)
- Ohio (full ride)
(I'm sure there are others in the M-W…)
East
- Alfred (for Elec. Arts, I know they offer full ride + stipend)
- RPI / iEAR (half the admits get full finding)
- Carnegie-Mellon (70+% funding)
- RISD (Pres. Scholarships range 40K, 20K and 10K, but most pay)
- Rutgers (heard of 50+% funding)
- SUNY Buffalo (heard of good funding here)
- SFMA (has been known to dish out some decent money, but not all the time)
- Yale (if you are low income, along with your parents (regardless of your age, they ask for your parent's financials), you can qualify for excellent funding. If not, you will pay)
- MIT / ACT (I have heard of around 50% funding)
- Univ of Maryland (full ride + teaching stipend)
- VCU (70+% funding)
- Cornell (full ride + teaching stipend)
- MICA (25-50% tuition for some)
- Bard (heard of there being up to 50% funding)
- Keep an eye out for Dartmouth doing a production orientated "Digital Studies" Masters in the future, and if it is anything like their outstanding "Digital Musics", it'll be a full ride +)
You included Ohio, but you should perhaps say Ohio State University (OSU) and also include Ohio University (OU) as they are different schools. I received full tuition waivers and very nice stipends from both. You also missed Southern Illinois University at Carbondale (SIUC). Another school with full waiver and very nice stipend. Also, Tulane provides full funding for its MFA I understand. It is also possible to get full funding plus stipend from Temple/Tyler. It is somewhat unusual for this to happen for first year MFA's, but I am personally aware that it occasionally does.
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This is why when you ship things you insure them. This protects them not only in transit, but it also functions as a means of identifying an object's stated worth in court. If you're intending to apply again next year I'd recommend not pursuing any actions against them, but if you're going somewhere else you might consider legal action. Just because you are a potential student doesn't mean your stuff isn't worth anything or that they can just get away with destroying your property. He laughed it off because he knew that they are in the wrong and he's hoping you will laugh it off as well.
The academic world (and the art world) is a relatively small place. Starting your professional career by suing an school over an accident sounds like a spectacularly bad idea.
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You made me feel better about not getting full-funding. I also received an email that SFAI is going to let me attend one of their graduate critiques when I am visiting. I know that it will help me decide everything.
And the way I interpreted what you were saying that anywhere besides RISD and Yale are NOT worth borrowing money to go to. I feel like this is very defeating to most of us, or at least to me. Your saying that schools, like MICA, CMU, SAIC, etc, which are REALLY good schools are not worth going to if they don't pay your way for you. I'm leaning toward going to SFAI , but I will have to borrow money to do so, because I don't want to pass up an opportunity that I probably won't receive again. And yes, I am 30 years old.
Plus, if we wanted to make the BIG BUCKS, I think most of us would not be getting into this field. I think we would have sacrificed our happiness to make money and we would be applying for MBA, etc. programs. I've been doing research about the loans, and the income-based repayment options sounds pretty reasonable. I'm really lucky and have only borrowed money from the Dept of Education so interest rates are always regulated.
I'm sorry. I did not mean to offend anyone or to imply that I think it is only worth borrowing for RISD and Yale. For myself, I don't think borrowing for a program ranked in the 15 to 50+ range makes a lot of sense because there are many programs in that range that provide a good deal of money. Of course you have to apply for them and they are still very competitive. For a really top drawer program then borrowing may be worth it for the doors that it opens. BUT... it is an awful lot of money for a degree that may not translate into meaningful employment. But my situation is very different being that I'm a lot older than 99% of you.
I just recommend that people think carefully about those big loans that may dog you for many decades. It is just a very long term car payment. As long as your eyes are open to the cost and financial sacrifice, then go for it.
I've worked for decades in industries that I had no passion for. Following your dreams is a really good idea if you want happiness in your life. Happiness is better than an unfullfilling and stressful high paying corporate job any day. If you have to take out big loans for that happiness then go for it. Nobody really needs a new car. A fine education, even if you have to borrow for it, is much better than a new car and the monthly payment is about the same.
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I also didn't get any merit aid for CCA, and am not expecting any financial aid. I really, really, really, would love to attend. However, when I think about how much money $80,000 is - enough to buy a house in many places - it's difficult to justify paying or taking out massive loans when I could wait and apply again. I mean, $80,000 buys a lot of art supplies - and depending on the price and your age, a lifetime of studio rent. I'm in it for the long run. I want to make choices that optimize my drive and ability to devote time to making art. I think the loans would hold me back.
My plan for the next year? Make lots of art. Go to lots of openings and artist lectures. Basically pretend I'm in grad school, but with a part-time job, and less debt. Then, apply widely next year - wiser and a stronger candidate.
If you are young and can stomach a 25-year car-payment-sized student loan payment, and get into a top 3 through 5 program then perhaps big loans are not terribly bad. But I'm not sure it makes much sense to borrow $80K-$100K for a lower ranked program or for those closer to say age 30 or more. That big student loan payment may make qualifying for a home loan really difficult unless you are sure your present or future spouse is always going to bring in good money. What happens when kids come along and your spouse isn't working and you've still got that those student loan payments, plus a car payment or two, plus a mortgage, plus credit card debts, etc? I guess there is always food stamps so you won't starve. Oh... but I forgot that you are going to make it big in the art world... never mind... borrow it all.
There is around 20 or so programs that are low cost or no cost. If I got into Yale or RISD then perhaps I'd borrow for the privilege, but I'm thrilled that I'm going to be paid to study and make art for three years. I found out that besides the best medical/dental/vision insurance coverage I've ever seen, OSU also has retirement pension plan that TA's qualify for. I can have 10% of my stipend but into it and OSU adds 14%. I can roll it into another plan if I don't stay in Ohio after graduation. Other state schools may have similar benefits that small private schools cannot match. It's something to consider verses being crippled with debt.
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Well I guess its not really based solely on my preference of school now, unfortunately, as much as I want to go to a particular school, I'll be going to the one who can provide the most $ since both of these places are super expensive and I've already got one decent offer which is doable from ASU. Bah, I forgot to buy lottery tickets again.
ASU will likely be the best deal. Private schools have a hard time competing with state schools when it comes to giving out money. Also, your other two schools are located in uber expensive cost-of-living areas. Don't forget to check out rents on Craigslist for all the cities you've been accepted to or you may be kicking yourself later (unless you are going school-owned housing then of course get the info from them).
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You are missing a lot of programs that typically provide lots of funding for those who don't want heavy debt when done. You may want a separate section for bargin schools.
Fully funded or low cost programs (depending upon getting a TA or scholarship) include:
Ohio State University - 3 yr - photo class size = 6
Ohio University at Athens
Southern Illinois University - Carbondale
Rutgers
Cornell
Stanford
WashU
University of Notre Dame - 3 yr
Florida State University
UNC Chapel Hill
University of Michigan
UC Berkley
USC
UNLV
From your list, programs with low cost potential that I know about include:
UCLA
Tulane
University of Arizona
Arizona State
VCU
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I find it kind of amazing that some schools really do not have their act together. I've had interviewers tell me that they are going to recommend me for acceptance and then I hear nothing from the school for many weeks. I've been accepted to some schools only to have them go silent regarding TA positions and funding telling me that they will get around to it when then can. One school accepted me via letter but not a single person has called to say hi - no interview, no congrats, no personal contact at all. It is like these schools think they are the only one you applied to.
Contrast the above with a school that was the first to admit me - weeks before any other school. I got a call from the dept. chair stating that he loved the work and hope that I choose his school. A few days letter I get a letter of acceptance with full details on TA position and funding. A few days after that I get another letter congratulating me, from the graduate office. Two weeks later more information about accepting the offer and other concerns. I've had a full ride plus stipend offer from this school for about a month and yet other schools still have had little to no contact.
Guess which behaviors foster warm feelings about a school? Guess which behaviors cause me to think some schools really don't care that much about the students or the program?
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Wow, lol. So just got an email from CSULB saying they did not receive one of my transcripts, so they withdrew my application. Funny thing is, I was contacted by them last month and they told me they were missing 2 out of 4 transcripts. I sent them and now this email said there was another missing transcript (which they didn't bother telling me about when they contacted me last month).
Meh. I was pretty much expecting not getting in this time around. I will be applying again this fall, with a strengthened portfolio and the information I gained this year. I also hope to apply to more programs, as this time I was greatly limited by lack of money for applications. I hope to see everyone who didn't get in this year back on the board in about 6 months and congrats to everyone who did get in.
Good luck for next time. Sounds like you have a good plan.
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Thanks for the response
Where did you two do your under graduate studies?
Yeah, he does seem like a genuinely nice fellow. So, don't get me wrong, I think the program is great, but just wondered if anyone had any first hand or second hand experience with it. The faculty are stellar, from their personal work strength to their accomplishments to the diversity of the portfolios, which is a great blend. There just seems to be so much information and commenting about the top program, Yale, and its philosophies but not much about the next two, in order, SAIC and RISD. Though RISD is generally considered to top fine art school in the country, I am speaking specifically of the Photo Department.
Utah State University.
Yale is talked about because it is an Ivy League school, a traditional university with a worldwide reputation and has been number 1 or near the top in a number of specialties for a long time. RISD, being an art and design school, is relatively unknown outside of the art world.
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Hey guys and gals
Anyone have thoughts or experiences or insights or feelings or comments or the like on or about the photo program at RISD?
Anyone accepted and going to attend?
The photo dept. chair, Steven Smith, did his undergrad at my university. I don't know him personally but I have spoken to him a couple of times via email and he seems like a really nice guy. I purchased his book as I like his work quite a bit and wish I had been accepted there.
What's not to like about such a renowned program? One thing in RISDs favor over Yale - Yale seems to only hire Yale graduates. While RISD faculty are from all over. This tells me that Yale is perhaps very insular and not as open to finding the "right" faculty no matter where they went to school.
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My photography professor is the head of the photo dept at Utah State University. He has two rings in one ear. Note that I said "UTAH" State University. Utah is perhaps the most conservative State in the US. I wouldn't worry about it much but I'd avoid those "tubes" that put big holes in the ear that may never close up if you decide against it later.
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If your school has a glass program and you are interested in it, then I'd say to go for it. I've seen glass works sell for $50,000 on up. There are not many people perusing glass and it is one way to be unique. Also, I think painting on glass is a great way to combine both.
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on a sunday??
It was a personal call from a professor.
Was anyone else accepted??
I guess they lied to me, because I was told that they were going to coordinate acceptances with other departments.
I do not know if anyone else was accepted. I would not say they "lied" to you. Again, it was a personal call from a professor, not a call from the graduate office. They may still be "coordinating" official letters from departments.
Don't give up yet. I've have not accepted anything yet and it is likely that neither has anyone else.
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Accepted to Tyler today via phone call. Decisions decisions.
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I think that trying to please the committee is a mission doomed to failure. I think you just have to accept that the whole process is subjective and unpredictable. Like Noceh4 said above, the fact that you didn't get in doesn't necessarily mean that your work isn't strong - it could mean anything, it could mean that your work didn't fit in with the rest of the group that was emerging, or maybe it was too close to someone else who had already been selected and they wanted more variety, or it just didn't click with the committee on that particular day. When asking for references during the application process, one of my profs said "As they say in these things, it's a crapshoot. You never know what a jury will go for." And that's coming from someone who has BEEN on those juries. So you can be cynical about the unpredictability of the process, but I think it would be a big mistake to modify your practice in an attempt to cater to that unpredictability.
I totally agree. If you pretend to be something that you are not and get accepted on that basis, then what? Both you and school are going to be butting heads for 2-3 years. Not a recipe for growth. Take a year or two to really refine your work. Explore new things, try things you normally would not. Build your list of exhibitions. Then try again with a really refined and tight and cohesive portfolio. And apply to more schools in a variety of locations. I noticed that your geographic area of schools was really limited. Must you stay close to New York? You might be the bomb on the West Coast, the Mid-West, the Rockies, or the South, but be just one of the herd in the northeast. And you only applied to what 5 schools? I applied to 24 schools - that really is too many. However, I got full ride offers from several schools that I would not have applied to if I would have kept it to my original list of 8-10 schools that were just based on rankings. In fact I'm very happy about the OSU offer and will likely go there and they were not in my original top rankings list. I was encouraged to apply to as many as I could afford if I really wanted to go this year. At 51 years old, I don't have time to keep trying.
So take the time to work on crafting the best portfolio you can and save some money so you can apply to more schools in more geographic areas. I recommend targeting 12-14 programs. Keep in mind that there really is no such thing as a safety school unless you have personal connections. Smaller, less well-known schools often called safety schools, may only be taking 1 or 2 new students and they may be favoring their own pool of undergrads or undergrads from a faculty-friend at another school. The odds may be worse at those schools. I was rejected from several of the 50+ ranked schools that I thought of as safeties.
Also, after the dust settles in late April or early May, consider asking some of the faculty at schools where you were rejected, if they would give you a candid appraisal of your application. Where did you fall short? Was the resume weak? Was it just the portfolio? How can you keep to your own style yet strengthen the work? Keep an open mind and try not to be too hard on yourself. Look at all the rejection that artists have had over the years. One modern example is the writer Stephen King, perhaps the most successful writer in modern history. He had his books rejected dozens and dozens of times. Art history is of course filled with artists who struggled with acceptance for years or decades.
Keep going.
- OutWest, smartstrategy and miyamoto81
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Well I'm about 95%+ sure that I'll be headed to OSU for my MFA in Photography this fall as I feel really good about that program. I know that the MFA program there is bringing in 16 new MFA's (all media) for this fall. I would love to hear from other prospective MFA's about their plans. If you visited the school, I have not had that opportunity and would like to hear what you thought about your visit. Let's get to know each other as we will be studying together for the next 3 years.
If you are a current MFA at OSU or received your BFA there, chime in as well.
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Just declined offers from Washington University in St. Louis, SIUC, and Ohio University (not photojournalism). Hopefully that opens up something for others. I'm still weighing the options on the other schools but leaning hard toward the funding offer from OSU.
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Accepted to VCU today but with no funding. Unfortunately, I may have to turn that down.
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Was accepted today to VCU, but without any funding unless enough people with funding turn them down (doubt that happens very much). I really want to go there, but without funding I may not be able to.
MFA programs in the USA with Excellent Funding (as of 2012)
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The list is great. But I'm going to say it again, the list creator should use the edit button and separate out the Ohio line into:
The Ohio State University (OSU)
Ohio University (OU)
The way the list reads saying "state and university" is really pretty confusing to those not familiar with these two rival schools that kind of dislike each other because of the shared similarity of their names. The "THE" in the "The Ohio State University" name was added to emphasize that they are the original university of Ohio and not the "pretender." The are very different school. OSU is the largest university in the nation and tends to have lots more money (partly because of football) to fund students with. It is a "city" university. OU is much smaller and located in a small town where OU students are 1/2 of the whole population. A very different experience suited to different students needs and desires.
Also on the VCU line. While 70% funding might be achieved by some it likely is not the norm. I was accepted to VCU but with zero funding. The line should likely read 0-70% funding. It is a great school and I believe it should be considered by all prospective MFA students but it is not the same as schools where all accepted MFA's get some or total funding.
You may also consider adding Utah State University to the list. The funding levels are tight to non-existant, but the tuition costs are among the lowest in the nation and may be much cheaper than a high priced school with a less than 100% tuition award. It is considered one of the best buys in the US.