Engineer's Degree

[navyasw02]

I've asked this question a lot and just heard crickets. Anybody out there got an Engineer's Degree (or Degree of Engineer)? For those of you who haven't heard of it, check wikipedia, but quick summary is it's between MS and PhD. It's only offered at a few schools (MIT, CalTech, Stanford, Santa Clara, and Naval Postgrad is all I've found so far), and nobody seems to have any info on it. My questions for those who have it are:

1. How do you list it on your resume?

2. How do you explain it to employers who probably dont know what it is?

3. Has it provided any extra benefit over a MS?

Thanks for the info.

[zilch]

it seems to be a very uncommon degree for people to obtain in the united states. I've never seen employers specifically require an engineer's degree. If you're going the professional engineer route, the accepted path seems to be master's and the eventual PE certification.

This degree as it is implemented in the US appears to be entirely replaceable by field experience which is probably why it's so rare now.

[navyasw02]

it seems to be a very uncommon degree for people to obtain in the united states. I've never seen employers specifically require an engineer's degree. If you're going the professional engineer route, the accepted path seems to be master's and the eventual PE certification.

This degree as it is implemented in the US appears to be entirely replaceable by field experience which is probably why it's so rare now.

It's only offered at a handful of schools that I know of. I haven't seen any job listings at all that require it, but I just wonder if it will even help at all to have it if employers and the general population have no idea what it is. If you have two identical applicants except one has an engineer's degree and the other has a MS, which one would have the edge? It is still a higher degree after all.

[UnlikelyGrad]

It's only offered at a handful of schools that I know of. I haven't seen any job listings at all that require it, but I just wonder if it will even help at all to have it if employers and the general population have no idea what it is. If you have two identical applicants except one has an engineer's degree and the other has a MS, which one would have the edge? It is still a higher degree after all.

Not sure, but any degree from Caltech, MIT, or Stanford is worth a lot.

[zilch]

for an entry level position the higher degree may not be an advantage. If they are considering people with both Master's and Engineer's degrees then it generally means that the job only requires a Master's level of knowledge. However the higher degree candidates may be able to bring extra experience and be ready for more responsibility sooner, but you also have to pay them more, so it really will vary from company to company.

It seems that the engineer's degree is also longer than a master's degree program. If you can get into MIT, Caltech, etc, then my personal opinion is to go for the Masters. you get the same name recognition without having to explain what your degree is and you can make up the degree with a year or two of work experience (during which you'll be probably paid very well which is always nice).

[HassE]

i myself am pretty fond of the Engineer's Degree. First of all, you need to acquire a Master's Degree first. Once you have a masters degree, the Engineer's degree is then 30 credit hours past the Masters, or 60 credit hours past a bachelors.

They say the Engineer's degree is equivalent to a Doctorate degree for the professional workers (Although it might not have the same pull)

Regardless, i can see this degree holding substantial weight in the near future.

[Engineer]

I know the University of Utah also offers the Degree of Electrical Engineer. I guess it's all the PhD coursework but no dissertation.

[navyasw02]

I'm almost done with my MS in Mechanical Engineering and the Engineer's Degree (also Mechanical). I decided to do it because it didnt cost me anything extra financially or with any extra time. I'm still curious as how it will actually help in the business world since nobody knows what it is, but I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[HassE]

I'm almost done with my MS in Mechanical Engineering and the Engineer's Degree (also Mechanical). I decided to do it because it didnt cost me anything extra financially or with any extra time. I'm still curious as how it will actually help in the business world since nobody knows what it is, but I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Believe it or not, if i could do it with little time and no finances, i would. If you ever wanted to get your PHD you'd be a step ahead of everyone else and would really only spend time doing the dissertation. Here is one of my professors that has that exact degree you acquired from northeastern.

SIBEN DASGUPTA - Associate Professor,Electronics

E.E., Post Masters degree in Electrical Engineering, Northeastern University; M.S., Engineering Management, Northeastern University; M.S., Electrical Engineering, Calcutta University; B.S., Electrical Engineering, Calcutta University; Registered Professional Engineer.

It's considered a Post Masters degree. Thats how you would list it on your resume. Mind you this teacher is an absolute genious when it comes down to DSP. He's a graduate professor over at northeastern, and a full time professor at my school; Wentworth Institute of Technology.

Congrats on the degree. What school you at doing it?

[navyasw02]

Believe it or not, if i could do it with little time and no finances, i would. If you ever wanted to get your PHD you'd be a step ahead of everyone else and would really only spend time doing the dissertation. Here is one of my professors that has that exact degree you acquired from northeastern.

SIBEN DASGUPTA - Associate Professor,Electronics

E.E., Post Masters degree in Electrical Engineering, Northeastern University; M.S., Engineering Management, Northeastern University; M.S., Electrical Engineering, Calcutta University; B.S., Electrical Engineering, Calcutta University; Registered Professional Engineer.

It's considered a Post Masters degree. Thats how you would list it on your resume. Mind you this teacher is an absolute genious when it comes down to DSP. He's a graduate professor over at northeastern, and a full time professor at my school; Wentworth Institute of Technology.

Congrats on the degree. What school you at doing it?

I'm going to Naval Postgrad School in Monterey. Wentworth is right by Northeastern right? I remember passing it a few times when my wife lived in Boston.

Edited August 25, 2010 by navyasw02

[HassE]

I'm going to Naval Postgrad School in Monterey. Wentworth is right by Northeastern right? I remember passing it a few times when my wife lived in Boston.

lol yes thats correct...my campus and their campus are so close together parts of the campus intersect each other.

and congrats on naval postgrad school...how do you feel the level of difficulty is from going to undergrad to grad?

[navyasw02]

lol yes thats correct...my campus and their campus are so close together parts of the campus intersect each other.

and congrats on naval postgrad school...how do you feel the level of difficulty is from going to undergrad to grad?

Yea that was a fun area. My wife went to Northeastern and lived farther down Huntington in Jamaica Plain. Pretty sketchy area, but was pretty convenient for getting around town.

Honestly, grad school is about a thousand times easier than undergrad and the hardest thing is getting in. Maybe it's just that I'm 30 and not 21, but I haven't really been overworked. This is my second time through grad school and both times were equally easy. I remember putting in a lot of effort to get a 2.5 GPA in college, but I graduated with a 3.75 when I finished my Masters in Engineering Management and I've got a 3.75 now with only 4 courses left for the Engineer's Degree.

Undergrad placed a lot more emphasis on learning the fundamentals. Grad school is about expanding on what you already know. The bad thing is though that if you don't have the foundations down, they don't wait around for you to get it. There were a few times for some of my Fluids classes I had to meet with profs, but it ultimately came down to me learning it on my own, verifying what I figured out with my prof, getting the thumbs up, and moving along my merry way. Putting in effort in undergrad will pay dividends even if you don't see the material again for 10 or more years.

[eesj]

I know that this is a very old forum topic, but I would like to get your advice on the D.Eng and my chances of getting in.

I am looking at applying to this program at Stanford, but I have lousy stats:

Undergrad GPA 3.16/4.0 (CSU)

Major GPA: 3.32/4.0 (CSU)

MSEE GPA: 3.43/4.0

GRE: Q710 V410 AW 4

I did work a year long internship while completing my senior year of undergrad, and have been working in R&D for a very well known engineering firm for 4 years (I hope this helps).

I also have a faculty member from Stanford willing to take me as a student, and to write a letter of recommendation. Getting a letter of rec from a faculty member is actually a requirement for the application.

Thanks!

[HassE]

I know that this is a very old forum topic, but I would like to get your advice on the D.Eng and my chances of getting in.

I am looking at applying to this program at Stanford, but I have lousy stats:

Undergrad GPA 3.16/4.0 (CSU)

Major GPA: 3.32/4.0 (CSU)

MSEE GPA: 3.43/4.0

GRE: Q710 V410 AW 4

I did work a year long internship while completing my senior year of undergrad, and have been working in R&D for a very well known engineering firm for 4 years (I hope this helps).

I also have a faculty member from Stanford willing to take me as a student, and to write a letter of recommendation. Getting a letter of rec from a faculty member is actually a requirement for the application.

Thanks!

First, correct me if im wrong, but a Doctor of Engineering is the same as a Doctor of Philosophy in Engineering, no? I forget what school, but one school allowed you to choose what you wanted upon graduation since it was the same requirements.

My first question is why would you choose the D.ENG over the PhD? The PhD seems to be the more common route and its the common proven route that people know of.

Second, if you already have a faculty member willing to "sponsor" you i'm assuming is what you mean, then you should be in fine. When i spoke to the dean of engineering at the University of Michigan, he told me it wasnt about my GRE scores or GPA, it was simply down to the fact if a Professor was willing to sponsor you, you'd be in. That was the most important part he told me.

I'd say you have a great chance of getting in, no problem.

[eesj]

First, correct me if im wrong, but a Doctor of Engineering is the same as a Doctor of Philosophy in Engineering, no? I forget what school, but one school allowed you to choose what you wanted upon graduation since it was the same requirements.

My first question is why would you choose the D.ENG over the PhD? The PhD seems to be the more common route and its the common proven route that people know of.

Second, if you already have a faculty member willing to "sponsor" you i'm assuming is what you mean, then you should be in fine. When i spoke to the dean of engineering at the University of Michigan, he told me it wasnt about my GRE scores or GPA, it was simply down to the fact if a Professor was willing to sponsor you, you'd be in. That was the most important part he told me.

I'd say you have a great chance of getting in, no problem.

Well I will be submitting my application this winter @ Stanford. Hope this goes well.

BTW hasseye the Stanford Eng.D. admissions application requires a professor to write 1/3 of your LoRs (kind of a strange requirement) basically stating they will work with you.

My company is willing to reimburse tuition every quarter, so I assume this can be considered fully funded. Do you feel this will help my application?

Anyone else applying for Winter 2012?