Already have a MSc; but do not want to lower chances through Phd

[amaterasu]

Hi there,

I plan to apply for a PhD in Mechanical Engineering probably next fall. I have already had a Master’s in ME.

I am little bit concerned about the impression (I do not know whether it is hypothetical or real) that schools generally prefer doctoral candidates from internal application. I mean; while doing their masters, they give a petition to continue their doctoral studies without even applying externally. It may be harder than it sounds, and perhaps many will not qualify to PhD through such a route; however I think, it’s easier than applying through an external application.

As an international applicant having already a Masters and wanting to increase the chance to pursue a PhD, I am indecisive whether I should apply directly to PhD or take the route through a second MSc? If trying second MSc, how will the schools view it? If trying directly PhD through an external application, will I survive the fierce competition?

By the way, my ultimate goal is PhD.

I think 2nd master's would only be viable:

When our MSc, even if it was on the same major, was very specific and directed?

Could not we use another MSc to change the subject in the field? Same field but different subject?

Increasing the chance to pursue a PhD through using internal dynamics and the chance to learn about professors, academic culture, alternative collaborations...What about them? It may not be so simple as it seems; it may not be a waste of time...It can be reused to rebuild the know-how in that specific subject...I do not know exactly, I am only brainstorming...

By the way, top schools requires that applicants take from 45 to 72 units, and I got only 21 units during my masters. Could that be someting to consider, as well? Will it mitigate my chances for a direct PhD?

I also wonder whether it is possible to get admitted by an MSc program if not admitted by the PhD program...I might consider an MSc if not admitted by Phd of the same program...I mean is there a possibility that if I am not admitted by the Phd program, is there a chance for me that the adcom would evaluate me for an MSc degree?

How will the process work out? Could simply stating it in the SOP be sufficient? I do not want to terminate all chances if not admitted by the PhD program, through an MSc, hopes could still stay alive?

Sorry for the exceptionally long post, especially considering it my first post

Any idea, thoughts, insights will be highly appreciated. 2nd Masters leading to the PhD, or direct PhD application?

Thanks

[ghanada]

Read the admission pages of the schools you are applying to. They are almost always very clear about this. They often state 1 of 2 things:

1. "If your final goal is a PhD, apply directly to the PhD"

or

2. "If your final goal is a PhD, apply directly to the PhD but you will need to complete a Masters first along the way. If you already have a Masters, you will be accepted directly to the PhD. "

Bottom line: if you want a PhD, you should apply to the PhD. Since you have a Masters already you should be eligible to go directly into a PhD program unless your Masters is not in the same field as the PhD, in which case you might have to take a few courses to meet their requirements. Also, it is usually stated in the application or you indicate in the application that if you are not accepted for the PhD that you will be considered for a Masters.