vincehoward Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Why do these schools insist on requiring their students to take out even more loans to support a second year in a public service program?
MPPgal Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Well I would say from an international perspective 1 yr master programs are not well seen...so if you want to make a program seem professional 2 yrs is the norm!
spacezeppelin Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 That is the same as asking why undergrad is ususally four years instead of two. To be honest, the question doesnt even really make sense. Two years is not a very long time considering you are getting another degree. I don't think people would have much respect for a program that was only a year long. You would only take a few classes... Why is high school four years? Why does it take 18 years to be considered an adult? See, the question doesnt really make any sense. It kind of just is... soaps 1
vincehoward Posted February 20, 2013 Author Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) That is the same as asking why undergrad is ususally four years instead of two. To be honest, the question doesnt even really make sense. Two years is not a very long time considering you are getting another degree. I don't think people would have much respect for a program that was only a year long. You would only take a few classes... Why is high school four years? Why does it take 18 years to be considered an adult? See, the question doesnt really make any sense. It kind of just is... Just because schools do it doesn't mean it's the best way. Why not follow the Maxwell MPA 12 month blueprint or the legion of other public service oriented masters degree programs (M.Ed at Harvard/Stanford or many MPH programs) that award Masters degrees in one year? MPAs/MPPs aren't like MBAs where they need the summer to intern as a vital component of their job search. Most of the internships MPPs take are either unpaid or poorly paid so it is yet another way students get sort of abused during this process. Many MPP students don't even wind up working for the organization they intern with during the summer. It just seems to me that requiring two years instead of operating a 12 month program is a way to turn what should be less expensive graduate public service degrees into cash cows for the universities. Why on earth should an MPP/MPA candidate have anywhere near the educational debt of an MBA or a JD who both have much higher earning potential? Edited February 20, 2013 by vincehoward Chai_latte and soaps 1 1
plenum123 Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 They wanna make money. FYI, the president of the university receives around 600,000USD per year, not to mention other employees' benefits, just saying.
spacezeppelin Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 They wanna make money. FYI, the president of the university receives around 600,000USD per year, not to mention other employees' benefits, just saying. This comes up a lot as another reason why "universities are greedy". I honestly think it’s a bit short sighted. Good people are attracted to institutions by money. That’s just a fact. People are paid based on their scarcity of skills and their desirability. I think its safe to assume that the president of a university should be a very accomplished, desirable, individual. Honestly, being the president of a learning institution seems like it absolutely demands incredibly talented candidates. If that is taken as a fact, why do we expect these incredibly desirable people to essentially take a job out of charity. Yes, i'm sure most do it because they love the job and are passionate about education, but lets be real...money factors in. If university presidents were paid significantly less we would lose all the good people to the private sector. 600k is a lot, but considering the credential of some of these people, they could probably make more elsewhere or at least get that number matched. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As as for the two year thing, I don’t think they need a second year just to force an internship. I think they do it because they want another year of classes to educate their students. Universities are putting their name on all these potential employees, so they should be competent. If one year programs are in existence and what you want, then I would think you could apply for them and pass on the longer ones.
plenum123 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) This comes up a lot as another reason why "universities are greedy". I honestly think it’s a bit short sighted. Good people are attracted to institutions by money. That’s just a fact. People are paid based on their scarcity of skills and their desirability. I think its safe to assume that the president of a university should be a very accomplished, desirable, individual. Honestly, being the president of a learning institution seems like it absolutely demands incredibly talented candidates. If that is taken as a fact, why do we expect these incredibly desirable people to essentially take a job out of charity. Yes, i'm sure most do it because they love the job and are passionate about education, but lets be real...money factors in. If university presidents were paid significantly less we would lose all the good people to the private sector. 600k is a lot, but considering the credential of some of these people, they could probably make more elsewhere or at least get that number matched. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As as for the two year thing, I don’t think they need a second year just to force an internship. I think they do it because they want another year of classes to educate their students. Universities are putting their name on all these potential employees, so they should be competent. If one year programs are in existence and what you want, then I would think you could apply for them and pass on the longer ones. Let's put it this way...I am just a voice of unpretentious reality Honestly too, we should mainly pay for professors, and building maintainence, not luxurious administrations regardless of how talented or desirable they are. "I think they do it because they want another year of classes to educate their students" It's vague with no support evidence. If I am an Adcom, I would ding you right away. ....................................Just saying Edited February 22, 2013 by plenum123
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