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"as well as other courses on US institutions" no, I do not think anyone ever supported you on this. be happy with the subset of political theory. If a department feels like hiring a JD to do that , be it.

I do not know your situation and your department so please forgive me if I am giving weak advise in any way. In a similar situation imagine I would go to the graduate secretary and I would actually discuss all what has happened (including that I am afraid that some people misunderstood the situation).. In my department the grad secretary is the person who knows everyone, everone's financial situation and can talk to professors and students alike. He is the holder of secrets and the best way to spread information if it is so needed. I know that there are other more official institutions in my university like ombutsperson whose job is to try to even things out if there are issues between students, professors and departments but I am afraid your conflict may not be overt enough for a semi official intervention. I am sure you can find out about the official and unofficial channels of help in your institution. Wow, your classmates seem terrible. I had a similar experience when I was 16 (my family was not rich either) - but people are supposed to grow up at some point. Go with some of your more friendly friends to grab some dinner or drinks and explan your life, if you are not in a horrible situation any more and have time to do that. Maybe you are too closed and people are just guessing how to help you (get you out of the program fast?), how deep problems do you face and how long can you float. In my opinion any leak of information can ease your problems. Good Luck!

advanced debate techniques indeed!

well I guess you can ask your advisor about this issue. but what I hear is that you just have to keep your A- average for the good standing. the race is over. if you can keep enough profs to support you there is no problem.

Well, till April 15 you can change your mind even if you accept the offer from school A. So no harm done there. But you probably should not withraw from other schools' application process and wait till you have a chance to visit! Congrats!

Time to look through course offerings and sit in an American Politics classes! Good luck discovering Political Science!

Frankly SOG25 I think PoliSci PHDs may be more threatened by economists taking jobs at the poli sci department than any JD. Simply Political Science in America at least moved very far from the thing that you imagine it to be. As a lot of people have shown you, law subjects on any level (even on undergrad mind you) are so underrepresented in the PoliSci departments that no department would hire a JD even to teach those. Subjects which are about political institutions including American Politics are not about law, more about structures closer to economics than to law. Simply hiring a JD would not worth it, considering the subjects the person could teach. Neither political science nor political science departments operate the way you argue. There is no such job that you describe. If there was one even MAs could teach them or advanced undergrads( who may have more exposure to poli sci than a JD) . I am not quite sure what you do not understand about this, everyone tells you the same.

I think it may be useful to ask about : placement records, completition rates and time to graduate, training (methods- qualitative, quantitative take your pick ) , requirements, substansive classes, incoming class size and funding, summer funding, dissertation completion funding, whether the people who you want to work with are available and will be available for 5 more years(with possible options to fall back on if a person drops out for some unforseeable reason), interdepartmental connections -if you need training in econ, sociology, geography etc... Just my 2 cents. sorry I realize that you may all think about asking these questions.. well.. just in case.

I think If you got a generous package that is already signaling that they want you there. Usually universities are paying for admit weekends for the people who got fellowships.

SOG25 Haha exactly ! I am exactly saying your debate style does not worth any debate! Many peope tried and you do not have a single good argument except for repeating yourself over and over again. People are not giving up on you because you are convincing anyone but because you have burried your head in the sand. I am happy you have so much time on your hands -you could have earned a PhD during all this time especially because you know already everything what is needed to be a polisci prof (on the undergraduate level, for selected subjects, if an advanced undergrad or MA would not do it cheaper and more connected to other poi sci literature e.g. institutions). So good luck Don Quixote of the PoliSci message board (or political science teaching world) your fight is truly enlightning and I wish you the best.

Note: International students do not count as minorities no matter what race they are from. One of my prof who is in the diversity committee was upset/angry that a real African student does not count as black. Well, even so they admitted him and not someone else. International students can cost more but I do not think that there are set quotas. Universities want the best, so if they want you they will figure something out. There are real barriers though: they may not know your recommenders, and your GRE may be lower, and they can have doubts about the your english skills no matter what.

Well, again I do not have any issue with you personally, but probably you are the worst debater I have ever seen. so chew on my words on your own, I am not going to explain them further.

"Also, socme123, while I agree with all your other points, I would say that it does make sense to hire a JD who is passionate about teaching political science courses, in part because political science departments will benefit from having a teacher of public law. This important subfield of political science" Quoi? F*** no it is not. You think because you learnt it is it important? Who cares???? Undergrads who do (!?)will go will take classes at the law department.Political Scientists care about institutions. And this is not just the renaming of the same concept. Since you have no clue why I am insisting on differentating between the two I am saying you have no clue about PS. Sure you can teach undergrads but not to Political Science. Sorry.

Maybe SOG25 wants to see how much does it take to collect -100 points. getting close to it!

ok I cannot answer all your questions but I would say you can list the fellowship, just put declined after it. I would say you cannot list the tutoring as a job if you did not tutor, but you can list that you have the training... but this is onluy my opinion. I am not quite understanding the GPA question. just put 79.5% or just calculate that on a 4.0 scale. If you did not attend a US university I think you have to give the results in their original units anyway.

I actually discovered this myself last year! Very illuminating! I thought that I was just the laziest person on earth and if I got into trouble I blamed myself terribly. This "diagnosis" was a relief.

Do not worry, these things can be very idiosyncratic!. My current advisor could not understand why I did not get in anywhere in my first attempt. He kept asking me whether I changed my application a lot becasue he completely loved it. Ok my writing sample was different but otherwise it was entirely the same, and I got several good offers. (I know what happened first time though I applied at the last minute and I have not researched the programs enough, but I cannot tell him that)

Exactly.

Maybe you are selected but they need to wait for the Dean's decision to offer admission (or to waitlist or I hope not- reject)?

"If you say a JD does not have the background to teach courses in political science, the onus is on you to prove that point." WHY ON EARTH? Do I also have to prove that an undergrad does not have the preparation to teach if he self volunteers? I am not saying that the onus is on you. This is not something that we have to decide. I am not drawing false comparisons at all but I tried to show the fallacy of your argument with extreme examples . An MA is a graduate degree and people with MA in political science do not get hired to be professors. Back at the time when there were no graduate school maybe advanced students taught first years. Preparation for this profession is a continium and it is relative to the preparation of the other applicants to the same job. The matter of the fact that the treshold of adequate preparation to teach is somewhat arbitrary but it does not depend on self assessment. You may think that research is not necessary to teach but hey an undergrad might think that your precious graduate degree is not necessary to teach. In fact when you are arguing here that you can teach an intro to American Politics class without having knowledge on the newest research, having been in dialogue with it, without knowing political models and theories, you do the same if an undergrad would argue that you can teach an intro to American Politics class without " extensively stud(ying) at the graduate level a subject area ... which significantly covers, in depth, much of the topics and material a PhD would study". Yes a JD may be able to teach an intro class without those skills but given undergrad may be able to equaly teach that intro class without having any in depth knowledge about any other area. See that is why I said you are subjective and argue without logic not because I want to take this to the personal level. Personally you may be very convinced about your truth and in your world this all make sense and you may be a very nice person though a bit fanatic. I was talking about the comments that were arguing about that it is necessary to have research experience and or teaching experience to be the professor of PoliSci. All were very useful and intelligent arguments that you did not consider just kept repeating your idea what the proper treshold for teaching intro classes to American Politics. Very well, you may think so but hiring committees have different idea what they think is the proper preparation for the job.

Well, you never actually gave any reply to me why the world should accept that a JD is more capable to teach an intro to American Politics than an undergrad who took the class the previous year . Where should be the treshold in training? Where you say it should be?? Who are you?? You did not explain why you think you are a better authority to decide on what is the proper training to teach at a PoliSci department than a hiring comittee. I do not think that you have any logic in your argument. You get this kind of argumentation from children or from people who have huge gaps in their knowledge (hence the example of the undergrad) but cannot even gasp what they lack. You just keep belittleing any intelligent answer to your question and keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Yes I would say the exact same thing to a two year old (or if an undergrad would like to become a prof of poli sci from now on ), thank you.

Keep in mind that sometimes professors notify some applicants about their acceptance waaay earlier than the official notification of both acceptances and rejections for various reasons. I would not jump to conclusions about the legitimacy of that post, but also I would not jump conclusions about the chances of getting into Wisconsin. I would be much more suspicious if It was Harvard or an other top 5 , not because Wisconsin is bad but because if you start trolling why wouldn't you go all the way?

I would say stay out of this. I had a prof who explicitly told me he can help me more if i do not ask a recommendation from him when he was in the committee (because of the conflict of interest). Of course it all depends on the institutional culture too . Anyway there is a big chance he knows that you applied (the most I would do is mention this fact by accident ) and if he likes you he may help you. In case you get in though you may hear the information much much much earlier than mid march.

As I said an undergrad after an American Politics course may argue that he has enough prepapartion to teach the next batch of undergrads. Funny thing it is not you or me or the given undergrad who decides what is enough preparation to teach an intro course to American Politics but the hiring committe. There were a lot of very constructive arguments here why they might prefer PhDs over JDs MAs or advanced undergrads. No one cares about your own subjective evaluation of the worth of the JD degree or your idea of the proper treshold of preparation where one could teach. Grow up. Your act like a two year old child who is banging himself to the ground because the world does not work as s/he wants to.

"While the existence of the SJD provides opportunity for academic research for JD holders and LLMs (allowing them to become researchers if they so choose), it does not nullify the academic and professional preparation of the Juris Doctor, nor is it meant as an "answer" to the PhD. I understand how you could reach the false conclusion which you did, but it is inaccurate." Sorry this may be my misinterpretation of the degree. BUT if this is your argument I have to ask back: What do you think Political Scientist PhD students study during the 5 years they study and why do they do it? An undergrad American Politics course may give enough prepapartion for one to teach the next batch of undergrads. I am actually starting to wonder what do you have in mind about the work that is being done in PoliSci departments.