choices_await
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13 hours ago, sacklunch said:
Toronto has an excellent reputation in US academic circles. This is largely because its doctoral programs are much the same as here in the States. That said, Toronto doesn't have the weight of the elite American schools in this country (I can't speak to Canada or elsewhere). Toronto will certainly have a better reputation in the US than Oxbridge, regardless of TAing. It's important to mention that TAing doesn't matter much, if at all. The most successful applicants have good teaching experience, that is, teaching their own classes. If you get a doctorate from Oxbridge (et sim.) and you're an American citizen and you're applying for American jobs, I would say you have basically zero chance of getting a tenure-track job, outside of some conservative and small Christian schools. The competition is simply too fierce. There are hundreds of doctorates from American R1 schools applying to the same jobs. Why would they take someone with a doctorate half the duration (or less) and someone who has never taught their own class?
Thanks for this. Some good food for thought – I'm think that for my partner's specific subfield, the advisor is just as important as the rep of the school. Or rather, there are some big hitters at non-ivies (but still well regarded schools, eg Chicago) who would be pretty significant to work with.
But yes, not sure if tenure track will be viable regardless, based on competition and the types of communities/jobs my partner is interested in.
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Congrats on Leuven! Yes, Canadian funding is so much lower than US (although supposedly there are additional scholarships to apply for??), and Toronto isn't cheap. sigh.
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36 minutes ago, kor_to_nola said:
Well in that case, I would guess that your own experience will greatly serve for your partner! If you do have any specific questions about East Asian countries, then PM me.
Thank you so much
I will definitely take you up on that if/when it makes sense.
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5 minutes ago, kor_to_nola said:
I am glad to see two Americans showing interests to live internationally. Do you guys have experience living internationally? When you do have the opportunity, I would recommend you to give it a try for a short period of time like one or two years.
Thanks! We have lived internationally together, and I didn't grow up in the US at all (TCK – third culture kid), and I'm tired of living in the USA, ha. Yeah, it's definitely a complicated interest – since I'm speaking on my partner's behalf and perhaps it would be identifying information, I don't want to go too far into their interests (sorry, but can pm!).
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10 hours ago, bigsh said:
I'm interested to see where this goes. I have an offer at TST and I'm waiting to hear on one last US school. But I never found much in my field in the UK schools, though I did do an application of KU Leuven's Research Master program as a possible avenue for a continental PhD. My seminary has some folks with degrees from TST, and I've known others who came from Toronto who've taught in the US. I've seen some stats about TST having been relatively high in terms of placing faculty in ATS schools though I'm not sure how up to date that was.
Oh nice! Toronto sounds like an awesome city. Yeah I wish there was more (clear) info out there on what recent grads are up to. Stats aren't really a full picture (at least the ones I've heard).
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4 hours ago, kor_to_nola said:
What is your reason of interests for UK schools? Shorter time? Prestige and great history? Higher acceptance rate? If you aim for American positions, I don’t think spending longer time in a doctoral program isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Well funded PhD programs are safe places to grow your prospect, skills, knowledge, and connections while you are young.
I'm actually asking on behalf of my partner – they're already accepted at some US schools, Toronto, and it's looking like UK, although haven't heard on funding. So acceptance rate isn't a factor, but yes, shorter time, prestige, history, and potentially a better position to make international connections. I agree that well funded Phd programs are good places and nurturing, so trying to weigh that against just going forward with research and getting out into the world. (also we wouldn't do UK w/o funding).
We would like to live internationally (I work remotely), and my partner is very interested in being part of interfaith dialogues and communities, so we are trying to figure that out. Lots of open-endedness, but would also really love to have reasonable options in the States for later in career or fallback.
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I'm wondering if U of Toronto and Oxford/Cambridge have better international (non-US) teaching prospects than US programs like Chicago. I know a lot of advice goes against Oxbridge if you are aiming for a TT in the US, but when considering positions in other parts of the world – Europe/Asia/Middle East – would a non-US program have a slight edge? And what about UK vs. Canada? (Assuming Canadian degree might have the most flexibility?)
Also, if fully funded in UK, with some TAing background (during MA), would an Oxbridge degree really be considered worse than a well-ranked US degree?
I get that the job market is pretty insane regardless of where you go, but curious about prospects for international positions.
U of Toronto vs. US programs: International Job Prospects
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Ah so we aren't looking at TST but U of T. The base offer for phds at U of T is full tuition plus 19k CAD I believe... it's just not anywhere near the US offers we're looking at (esp. because of COL and CAD).
Hope the residency process is smooth for you if that's where you go!