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HOWEVER, ppl tell me that I'm crazy - I don't need a PhD to teach, if that's what I want to do. I am already teaching at a college in Orlando, FL (Valencia College, which has award winning faculty in my area). I'm just craaaaaaaaaaaaazy about getting a full time position! TESOL

For example, this would be something that I would like: http://www.gse.harvard.edu/academics/doctorate/edld/ I'm interested in it, and it has a wide range of possibilities, which obviously increases my chances for successful employment. What do you all think? Thanks in advance

OK thanks. You are right in that I have to make my own decision - absolutely! But I need help and guidance from those who know more than I do to make it a successful choice/decision. All the best to you! DMC

LOL. That's what I'm saying! It's so narrow, that people don't know they exist! According to a recent post that I made in the linguistics forum, there are but 10 SLA programs in the US. As for TESOL, I am not sure how many, but Teacher's College has one (an EdD). One day, I'd like to head an ESL department at a college. Another option would be to train future teachers. For that you definitely need a PhD. Also, if you look at tesol.org, strong preference is given to PhD holders. Someone once told me you have to make ABSOLUTELY sure you want/need a PhD before you do it, because it requires money, effort and time. Having said that, that's what I am trying to determine : Should I?

Oh, and I would like to teach (foremost) and sure, research on the side. What's most important to me is teaching. However, I have been told that to be anyone in academia you must go for your PhD, which is why I am looking into it. I like research, but not as much as I like teaching.

Thanks! LOL yes, it could have been rounded up, but it's not. Perhaps I can call them and look into that! About linguistics, that's not what I want. I want either ESL/EFL or second language acquisition. What I am frightened about is the fact that there is a narrow market for PhDs (as evidenced by the chronicles many articles on the subject) and, by pure logic, the more narrow your PhD area of specialization, the narrower the market will get. That's why I mentioned what my teachers have. It seems many professors do PhD's in a broader area, and then get minors. Is this the way to go? What's your opinion? PS. About the weather, yes - I couldn't care less if it's hot - but if it's perennially cold, I wouldn't be a happy camper. Thanks! All the best I'll let you know about the round up!

Dear friends: I am a person that is dreaming about getting a PhD one day. However, I know the apparent perils of doing so (little jobs, as evidenced by the chronicle's many articles on the subject). So my questions are as follows: 1) What are the best ESL / Foreign language programs out there? 2) I am very scared that getting a TESOL PhD or a second language acquisition PhD is too narrow. I've taken a look at my previous professors in my master's program (I hold an MS in Education and TESOL from the University of Rochester) and they all have very broad PhD's, such as Teaching and Curriculum, or even just education, or perhaps Higher Education. Am I right in being scared? Also, I don't like the cold much, and it would definitely affect my decision. The hotter the better! Now, my plan is to get more experience because I want to get a tuition waiver and a stipend. I know I am asking for a lot. With that said, my third question is: 3) While I know that some schools grant stipends and tuition waivers, do you know of any very reputable institution waive all/or most of the tuition? (I have a BA in Intercultural and Organizational Communication, 3.7GPA; and an MS in Education and TESOL (3.999GPA). If you need more information, please don't hesitate to ask! Thanks so much for being of help. I truly appreciate your time! DMC

OK Thanks!

Thanks everyone. I'm confused about funding. I was once told, perhaps incorrectly, that most PhD programs in the US give their admitted students a stipend AND full tuition paid for. Could someone explain this to me in more detail? The above is all I know. My master's, in the University of Rochester was pretty expensive, for about 1 year and a few months. Still, I had a decent waiver. I cannot afford to have a ton of debt right now, so this answer would be of most help. Thanks everyone! DMC

zahava: Thanks, but there is no way I would live in Hawaii. I need to be within reasonable distance from my family in FL, not in your beautiful island(s) in the middle of the Pacific. It's beautiful, but just too remote for me. Thanks for the well-intentioned post, though! DMC

Of course, I've never been to USF, but some ratings on the internet were not that stellar. Of course, sometimes Undergrad experiences are much different than grad experiences. Here's the link http://www.coedu.usf.edu/slait/ I currently live in Orlando, FL (which is 1.5hrs away).

Hello everyone! This might be in the wrong forum, but I'll give it a go. I'm thinking of one day getting a PhD in Second Language Acquisition. I have a MS in Teaching and Curriculum (focus: TESOL) from the University of Rochester (NY). Could anyone recommend good schools and give me their overall review of the schools? UR was a beautiful school to go to, but far from everything I know (which is Florida). There is a program in USF, but I don't hear too many good things about it. Ideally, I'd like to stick to the east coast and hot weather, but I'll sacrifice it if the school is good enough. Thanks! TESOL

Hello everyone! I was wondering if anyone can reccommend PhD/EDDs in TESOL, ESL, L2 acquisition and the likes that do not require GRE for admission? I have a Master's in TESOL (3.99GPA), which also did not require the GRE for admission. I am looking at Columbia's Teacher College. But it's the only one I have found. I have "heard" that Indiana University is another one. Any tips? Thanks

An alternative is to do what I do now (teach ESL) at a college. Ultimately, I want a contract, and a consitstent sallary 50-70k Yes, I might be much older when I receive that kind of money - and I will work towards it. I know it takes time - especially in education.

Thanks profev! Well, I am an adjunct professor at a college that teaches EAP/ESL in Orlando. The perils of being an adjunct are very well-known to all of us: one day we might have 4 classes in a semester, and another semester we will have none. Yes, I have a second job at a language institute - but still, it barely pays the bills. I don't have a a lavish lifestyle, but I need to be successful - I keep thinking that PhD programs are the only way to go. Interestingly, I look at PhD program courses and a good chunk are consistently "research" In other words, I am scared. To make a long story short: I want to be a professor teaching graduate students TESOL/Second Language Acquisition theories and practice. Any more input? I could go on, but I'm formulating this post with the ultimate goal of being easy to read and easy to reply to.

Thanks Stately. Yes, that is what happenned to me at my University. I received a very significant tuition waiver upon being accepted. The big thing I am looking for is to avoid $50k (give or take) for a PhD program (3-5yrs, depending on the University). I have friends that got a 100% waiver, and they tell me they would not have started their program unless it was fully paid for. I mean professors tell me they have met ppl that have been happy at the MS level all their lives..... WHat I want is to have a few extra yrs of experience teaching TESOL at the college level (I'm currently an adjunct) and reassess when appropriate. But still I keep asking myself these questions....(it is quite frustrating lol - I'm sure many of you, with more experience than I have fully understand

OK guys. Thanks so much. This answers my questions. It is now more than clear. I appreciate your help and insight. TESOL

Sorry Eigen. Let's forget about my mistake. I want to know, also, whether PhD programs waive tuition and provide stipends for students. I know my university does, for example. However, I am unclear as to how I go about getting those coveted things. I must have mixed two topics into one, thus creating a confusion - something which I apologize for. 2) Also, I hear that Instructors at top universities get just a tad less than what an associate professor would. Am I correct, or is this just speculation or context-dependent? Thanks DMC

BTW everyone, I'm not really knowledgeable when it comes to this, so please excuse the potentially ignorant ?ions. 1) I was told that many PhD programs in the nation give you a 100% waiver and, on top of that, they give you a stipend. Could any1 expand on this, or explain it better to me? Thanks!!!

Eigen, I'm currently not in a PhD program because I want to work for a few years. The Master's was tough and rigorous, and I want to put what I learned into practice. Later on, I intend to go into a PhD program. Of course, this might change, but for now, it's in the plans. Thanks for your reply. If anyone else has an opinion, please feel free to express it!

Hello! I'm a guy that has as an ambition to become a Professor at an American university, teaching TESOL. I currently have an MS in Education and TESOL. I recently got hired at a higher ed institution, but as an Adjunct Instructor. I am told that I will never be a Professor without a PhD. 1)Can anyone that knows how things work tell me what are my options? 2)For now, my short term goal is to become an Instructor (not Adjunct). Can anyone explain their views on this? Thanks everyone, I appreciate your time and views. DMC

Hello again. After much revision and effort, we handed back an assignment, which originally received an F and we scored a 98% on our assignment. While we worked hard on our revision, I wonder since grade inflation is an issue whether it was a deciding factor in our grade or not. I hope this holds true for all of our papers that are to be handed in soon!

Thanks! If anyone else has more, I'd love to hear it!