Dartmouth mph VS Columbia mph VS Johns Hopkins mhs

[nicklu]

I was just graduated with BS degree. And now I got these three admissions of public health program, and all of them are epi programs. My future plan is to learn statistics and data analysis well, and to work in a consulting firm after completing one of these degree programs. Maybe JHU mhs is not suitable for me with its research emphasis. But I still need some advice for my decision.

 

Which one matches my plan and need best? What about the The Dartmouth Institute and its one-year mph program? (The Dartmouth Institute is really mysterious!!!)

 

 

Anyone has any thoughts and advice? Thank you! 

[namenumber124]

Hi,

 

I also got in the Dartmouth Program and I'm looking for more insight on it. I like it because it is a one year program and you get a broad view of public health which I think is useful. However, if you want to focus your studying I think the epi specific programs would probably be better.

 

My friend did the epi program at JHSPH and she's doing research now (as in working fulltime). Also, the MHS (in epi) is a 2 year program (but JHSPH is  the number one school of public health so I don't know, I recently submitted my application for MHS in mental health at JHSPH because I am not convinced by Dartmouth).

 

Did you attend/view the webinar? Dartmouth seems to be located in the middle of nowhere and the students said that you need a car. I like Hopkins location more, more options, and transportation! I mean probably Columbia wins on location but with that said Columbia is probably the most expensive.

 

I am pretty sure columbia is a 2 year program as well so you also have to think about that!

Edited February 28, 2014 by mmc124

[nicklu]

Hi,

 

I also got in the Dartmouth Program and I'm looking for more insight on it. I like it because it is a one year program and you get a broad view of public health which I think is useful. However, if you want to focus your studying I think the epi specific programs would probably be better.

 

My friend did the epi program at JHSPH and she's doing research now (as in working fulltime). Also, the MHS (in epi) is a 2 year program (but JHSPH is  the number one school of public health so I don't know, I recently submitted my application for MHS in mental health at JHSPH because I am not convinced by Dartmouth).

 

Did you attend/view the webinar? Dartmouth seems to be located in the middle of nowhere and the students said that you need a car. I like Hopkins location more, more options, and transportation! I mean probably Columbia wins on location but with that said Columbia is probably the most expensive.

 

I am pretty sure columbia is a 2 year program as well so you also have to think about that!

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I have watched the recorded webinar of Dartmouth. I feel good about it, the academic environment is good, the small class size could be a good addition for self-improvement. But the transportation is also a problem for me, and the one-year tuition is expensive. Columbia tuition is ok, with 35K per year, relatively lower than some other top schools. I don't know the specific tuition cost of JHSPH, maybe it's higher than Columbia. 

 

Because I probably go to work after completing master degree. I just want to learn more about public health, and then endeavor to move into healthcare consulting career. So the Dartmouth Institute is also a good option. JHSPH MHS is focused more on research. So I wonder if it matches my career plan.

 

Columbia location is best. Dartmouth location is near Boston. and JHSPH is located in Baltimore. I want to know which location is better, Dartmouth or Baltimore?

 

I am an international student, so I really need some location information!!! Thank you! 

[bbkoll]

I want to take a minute to weigh in on this conversation. As the Manager for Career and Professional Development at TDI, I work with students and alumni to clarify career goals, build a development plan, and organize the job search. We have alumni working in consulting firms that span public health, health information, health policy and healthcare delivery. The class of 2013 has 5 people who are now working in consulting practices; I am working with several more on job searches focused in this sector. I am also working with students in our current class who are interested in health care consulting as a career field.

 

Dartmouth College has many resources that are available to all graduate students, including skills workshops, alumni presentations and receptions, and a job board populated with companies who have already employed our graduates. In addition, strong, well focused students find opportunities to work with leading researchers on projects that are transforming the way we understand and deliver health care. Possibilities abound for strong students to make real contributions.

[namenumber124]

 

 

 

 

Yes, Dartmouth is really expensive I swear that's all I've been thinking of and how I'd get by without driving (buying a bicycle and then getting stuck in piles of snow  ​ ). I think they make their tuition so expensive (without grants/scholarships) because it is a one year program. Hopkins is probably about 55k per year + living expenses (which would be about 10-5k more) almost like that one year at dartmouth. I can only help you with Baltimore and I can say that there are some nice things about Baltimore. it is a city (which means that there are nice and not so nice areas) the school of public health is near  the medical campus I believe this area is more expensive than the area around the homewood campus but if chose to live near the homewood campus there's transportation available everywhere (with free shuttles and public transportation (including the free circulators). the shuttles from homewood to the JHSPH takes about 20-30 minutes (of course we are talking from extreme to extreme). 

 

But for Dartmouth I know as much as you know! If I can get over their pricey tuition and lack of transportation I think I will definitely pick Dartmouth.

[AlexH12]

I actually attended The Dartmouth Institute, so I can tell you a little bit about the location.  It's definitely more rural, compared to a Hopkins or Columbia, but a lot of the students end up living either together or near one another in graduate (or just local) housing in Hanover, so there is a lot of carpooling to the TDI campus.  Living in Hanover makes the non-academic part of life easier- you can pretty much walk to anything you need (local grocery, library, bars, restaurants, CVS, gym, etc.), even when it is winter.  I'd definitely recommend living there- everything is right at your doorstep.  The only commute is to class, and the way the classes are set up, it's usually just one drive over there and back per day, and again, people usually carpool.  There's also a zipcar service in Hanover, and I know there was a free shuttle service, but I never tried it out.  Hanover itself is really beautiful, and very safe, and the campus facilities are great (you get free gym membership!) and Dartmouth has its own ski mountain, which is really fun in the winter.  There's also a really nice bus that runs directly from the Dartmouth campus to Boston, and one to NYC as well.  I moved to Hanover from a city, so I was really nervous about the location, but it turned out that I really liked it!

 

Also, I actually work in healthcare consulting now, and I think TDI was a better way to get into that than JHSPH would have been (I chose TDI over JHSPH).  There's a big focus on healthcare as a system at TDI, and critical thinking about that, in addition to the more traditional epi/biostats/global health perspective you'd get in another program.  There's research as well, and you can tailor how much of that (and what kind) you want to experience.  Also, TDI has really strong ties to Tuck (the Dartmouth business school), with some professors who teach in both schools, and some cross-listed classes, so if you want to go into that side of healthcare, there is plenty of opportunity.

[Honor Passow]

Learning statistics and data analysis at Dartmouth

 

A recent BS graduate with initiative and strong skills in algebra and quantitative thinking will find outstanding opportunities to learn statistics and data analysis through the coursework in our MPH or MS programs, as well as opportunities for participating in ongoing research at The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy & Clinical Practice (TDI).

 

As faculty in Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Dartmouth, I can explain our integrated approach to teaching statistics and data analysis.  We offer two master’s degree options – a Master of Public Health (MPH) and a Master of Science in Healthcare Research (MS).  Both require a minimum of 56 credits.  The MPH program focuses on improving systems by managing change, while the MS program emphasizes stimulating improvement by informing change.

 

Whichever degree a student chooses, sixteen credits of the core requirements focus on research designs, statistical techniques, and data analysis.  Thus, both MPH and MS students experience Dartmouth’s (TDI’s) unique blend of statistics and analysis as a major component of their education.  Our “Inferential Methods & Systematic Review” courses teach research design and how to analyze and interpret data primarily through a project – students conduct a systematic review of the literature, which some eventually submit for publication. Our “Epidemiology & Biostatistics” courses teach analysis of existing data and interpretation of published articles – combining attention to the source of the data (epidemiology-research design) with concerns about bias (epidemiology) and the role of chance (biostatistics).

 

Dartmouth’s MPH students gain a solid foundation in statistics and data analysis through these core requirements and then gain conceptual breadth through three courses: Environmental Health Science and Policy, Social and Behavioral Determinants of Health, and Strategic & Financial Management of Health Care Institutions.

 

For students who enter Dartmouth with strong skills in algebra and quantitative thinking, opportunities abound for delving deeply into statistics and data analysis.  The MS program requires three courses in analyzing data using statistical methods beyond the core requirements: Epidemiology & Biostatistics II, Survey Research Methods & Principles, and either Advanced Methods in Health Services Research or Decision & Cost Effectiveness Analysis.  The “Advanced Methods” course includes working with de-identified data from insurance claims on a project the student chooses.  The capstone project in the MS program is a submission-ready proposal for a research grant to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), which requires a budget as well as sample size estimation and an analysis plan for the data.  Motivated students who take initiative can assist renowned TDI researchers in analyzing data from ongoing projects.

 

In addition to the MPH program, I suggest you seriously consider Dartmouth’s MS program.  Even if you applied for the MPH, you can switch to the MS up to the end of the 2^nd quarter (November).

[nicklu]

I want to take a minute to weigh in on this conversation. As the Manager for Career and Professional Development at TDI, I work with students and alumni to clarify career goals, build a development plan, and organize the job search. We have alumni working in consulting firms that span public health, health information, health policy and healthcare delivery. The class of 2013 has 5 people who are now working in consulting practices; I am working with several more on job searches focused in this sector. I am also working with students in our current class who are interested in health care consulting as a career field.

 

Dartmouth College has many resources that are available to all graduate students, including skills workshops, alumni presentations and receptions, and a job board populated with companies who have already employed our graduates. In addition, strong, well focused students find opportunities to work with leading researchers on projects that are transforming the way we understand and deliver health care. Possibilities abound for strong students to make real contributions.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manager, I am so pleasantly surprised by your appearance. Your answer is really helpful, and your career service is quite great! I have learned that TDI has really few international students, and I have to say that I am a bit worried about the job opportunities for international students like me. And as you said, students could find opportunities to work with leading researchers. But I am wondering if one-year program could offer enough time for us to do a lot and learn more.

 

Maybe my worries are unnecessary and needless. But I think I have to speak it out! At the same time, I really thank you for your reply!

[nicklu]

Yes, Dartmouth is really expensive I swear that's all I've been thinking of and how I'd get by without driving (buying a bicycle and then getting stuck in piles of snow  ​ ). I think they make their tuition so expensive (without grants/scholarships) because it is a one year program. Hopkins is probably about 55k per year + living expenses (which would be about 10-5k more) almost like that one year at dartmouth. I can only help you with Baltimore and I can say that there are some nice things about Baltimore. it is a city (which means that there are nice and not so nice areas) the school of public health is near  the medical campus I believe this area is more expensive than the area around the homewood campus but if chose to live near the homewood campus there's transportation available everywhere (with free shuttles and public transportation (including the free circulators). the shuttles from homewood to the JHSPH takes about 20-30 minutes (of course we are talking from extreme to extreme). 

 

But for Dartmouth I know as much as you know! If I can get over their pricey tuition and lack of transportation I think I will definitely pick Dartmouth.

 

Thank your for your provided information. Baltimore is also a big city. But now I am inclined to take Dartmouth. However, I have still one question. You know, JHU has the top-one public health school with its great reputation, but Dartmouth doesn't participate in ranking. As you said if you could cover the tuition, you could pick Dartmouth. What drives you to make that choice?

 

  I really appreciate the wonderful communications with you!

[nicklu]

I actually attended The Dartmouth Institute, so I can tell you a little bit about the location.  It's definitely more rural, compared to a Hopkins or Columbia, but a lot of the students end up living either together or near one another in graduate (or just local) housing in Hanover, so there is a lot of carpooling to the TDI campus.  Living in Hanover makes the non-academic part of life easier- you can pretty much walk to anything you need (local grocery, library, bars, restaurants, CVS, gym, etc.), even when it is winter.  I'd definitely recommend living there- everything is right at your doorstep.  The only commute is to class, and the way the classes are set up, it's usually just one drive over there and back per day, and again, people usually carpool.  There's also a zipcar service in Hanover, and I know there was a free shuttle service, but I never tried it out.  Hanover itself is really beautiful, and very safe, and the campus facilities are great (you get free gym membership!) and Dartmouth has its own ski mountain, which is really fun in the winter.  There's also a really nice bus that runs directly from the Dartmouth campus to Boston, and one to NYC as well.  I moved to Hanover from a city, so I was really nervous about the location, but it turned out that I really liked it!

 

Also, I actually work in healthcare consulting now, and I think TDI was a better way to get into that than JHSPH would have been (I chose TDI over JHSPH).  There's a big focus on healthcare as a system at TDI, and critical thinking about that, in addition to the more traditional epi/biostats/global health perspective you'd get in another program.  There's research as well, and you can tailor how much of that (and what kind) you want to experience.  Also, TDI has really strong ties to Tuck (the Dartmouth business school), with some professors who teach in both schools, and some cross-listed classes, so if you want to go into that side of healthcare, there is plenty of opportunity.

 

 

What a wonderful day! I got so many replies, especially from TDI! Hanover is really a wonderful place for learning and living. I am surprised there is a ski mountain! However I can't ski and I really need someone to teach me !  From your reply, I've learned that a car is very useful and necessary, and it is really a problem for me. I'm an international student, and I haven't a driving license in U.S. right after arriving at TDI  . 

 

Apart from TDI and JHU, I also got Columbia MPH admission. If you have learned about it, could you provide some information about it? Thank you!

 

Finally, I have to say that I really like the unique TDI MS or MPH program. But the decision making is always tough, and as an international student, I have to glean enough information to make the right and suitable choice. Your working experience in healthcare consulting is really encouraging! I hope to have more communications and exchanges with you! 

[nicklu]

Learning statistics and data analysis at Dartmouth

 

A recent BS graduate with initiative and strong skills in algebra and quantitative thinking will find outstanding opportunities to learn statistics and data analysis through the coursework in our MPH or MS programs, as well as opportunities for participating in ongoing research at The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy & Clinical Practice (TDI).

 

As faculty in Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Dartmouth, I can explain our integrated approach to teaching statistics and data analysis.  We offer two master’s degree options – a Master of Public Health (MPH) and a Master of Science in Healthcare Research (MS).  Both require a minimum of 56 credits.  The MPH program focuses on improving systems by managing change, while the MS program emphasizes stimulating improvement by informing change.

 

Whichever degree a student chooses, sixteen credits of the core requirements focus on research designs, statistical techniques, and data analysis.  Thus, both MPH and MS students experience Dartmouth’s (TDI’s) unique blend of statistics and analysis as a major component of their education.  Our “Inferential Methods & Systematic Review” courses teach research design and how to analyze and interpret data primarily through a project – students conduct a systematic review of the literature, which some eventually submit for publication. Our “Epidemiology & Biostatistics” courses teach analysis of existing data and interpretation of published articles – combining attention to the source of the data (epidemiology-research design) with concerns about bias (epidemiology) and the role of chance (biostatistics).

 

Dartmouth’s MPH students gain a solid foundation in statistics and data analysis through these core requirements and then gain conceptual breadth through three courses: Environmental Health Science and Policy, Social and Behavioral Determinants of Health, and Strategic & Financial Management of Health Care Institutions.

 

For students who enter Dartmouth with strong skills in algebra and quantitative thinking, opportunities abound for delving deeply into statistics and data analysis.  The MS program requires three courses in analyzing data using statistical methods beyond the core requirements: Epidemiology & Biostatistics II, Survey Research Methods & Principles, and either Advanced Methods in Health Services Research or Decision & Cost Effectiveness Analysis.  The “Advanced Methods” course includes working with de-identified data from insurance claims on a project the student chooses.  The capstone project in the MS program is a submission-ready proposal for a research grant to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), which requires a budget as well as sample size estimation and an analysis plan for the data.  Motivated students who take initiative can assist renowned TDI researchers in analyzing data from ongoing projects.

 

In addition to the MPH program, I suggest you seriously consider Dartmouth’s MS program.  Even if you applied for the MPH, you can switch to the MS up to the end of the 2^nd quarter (November).

 

 

Dear Professor, I really thank you for your help, and I really thank you, TDI. You are so considerate, and my heart gets quite warm! The curriculum of both MPH and MS programs is really good, and I have learned that MS program is focused more on data analysis. It's really great! I will seriously consider Dartmouth's MS program. And as you said, students could assist TDI researchers in analyzing data. Does it mean that students could do research assistance(RA)? It sounds great. And I will intensify my training of data analysis before enrollment!

 

It's very nice of you, Professor. I hope to learn more from you! 

[namenumber124]

Thank your for your provided information. Baltimore is also a big city. But now I am inclined to take Dartmouth. However, I have still one question. You know, JHU has the top-one public health school with its great reputation, but Dartmouth doesn't participate in ranking. As you said if you could cover the tuition, you could pick Dartmouth. What drives you to make that choice?

 

  I really appreciate the wonderful communications with you!

 

Well, I think the MPH program would be more useful for me and I feel like it'd give me more options to work with after completing it and I like that, having options is key. 

[NeurosciMRI]

Anyone have any thoughts or insight into JHU's MHS program in epidemiology? I am currently struggling to decide between the University of Michigan and JHU (both programs are in epidemiology). My goal is to become a physician scientist. I am strongly considering apply to the MSTP program for medical school or just regular MD, but still conduct research.

[lrbrade]

Hi,

 

I also got in the Dartmouth Program and I'm looking for more insight on it. I like it because it is a one year program and you get a broad view of public health which I think is useful. However, if you want to focus your studying I think the epi specific programs would probably be better.

 

My friend did the epi program at JHSPH and she's doing research now (as in working fulltime). Also, the MHS (in epi) is a 2 year program (but JHSPH is  the number one school of public health so I don't know, I recently submitted my application for MHS in mental health at JHSPH because I am not convinced by Dartmouth).

 

Did you attend/view the webinar? Dartmouth seems to be located in the middle of nowhere and the students said that you need a car. I like Hopkins location more, more options, and transportation! I mean probably Columbia wins on location but with that said Columbia is probably the most expensive.

 

I am pretty sure columbia is a 2 year program as well so you also have to think about that!

I recently applied to the PhD in Mental Health and while I did not get accepted for that I was accepted into the MHS program. How are people intending to pay for this..it seems like a great opportunity its just the funding aspect!