TheVineyard Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Yes. The excitement after tomorrow will just be scattered instances of ppl being pulled off of waitlists, followed by the April 15 train wreck. Edited March 14, 2014 by TheVineyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnothi_Seauton Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think you're right on the money. I was out of state and didn't have access to a good computer. Now I take it people are simply moving on. I mean, most of the excitement regarding notifications is behind us. How many people have access to that? I'm curious whether others do. I've not even heard of such a thing! Maybe that's a strike against including it? I wish we could take into account every single thing -- including things like junior-senior GPA -- but I think the survey could become too long. One thing that has contributed to the success of the law school surveys is that they are pretty simple. I can easily read that the median GPA for those admitted to Department X is Y and that the median LSAT for that department is Z, etc. I guess we could have a comments area or something. Is that what you're suggesting? But when we figure the median score of someone admitted to X, of course we won't be able to use the comments for that part of it. I think not every relevant detail can be included in the survey. Some details that are sort of glossed over (and this is the nature of surveys like these) include things like, "Did the person's GPA improve over time?" "Was it just one class that ruined someone's GPA, or was it a pattern of poor performance?" Etc. I guess I hope my comment here comes off as, Yes, I think you're absolutely right that this stuff is relevant. But I don't want to make this so complicated and lengthy that people don't fill out the survey. And I want data that can be manipulated, compared, etc. I'm not sure what to do about the comments piece. Every applicant is more than a number, right? But I think we want to analyze the raw quantifiable data, too... Yes, I meant something like adding a comments section for people to clarify anything that might be somewhat non-standard. I completely agree that those comments couldn't be factored into any kind of data analysis without the survey becoming long and less helpful. Is the plan to provide individual profiles (the "raw" data) in addition to the aggregated data? I hope so. I think the individual profiles would be at least as, if not more, informative than the aggregated data. If the plan is to include the individual profiles as well, then that's where I think my suggestions would fit in. It gives a more complete picture of admitted applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophe Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 How about class rank (within the major)? keep in mind that many (most even?) schools don't rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianfaircloud Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yes, I meant something like adding a comments section for people to clarify anything that might be somewhat non-standard. I completely agree that those comments couldn't be factored into any kind of data analysis without the survey becoming long and less helpful. Is the plan to provide individual profiles (the "raw" data) in addition to the aggregated data? I hope so. I think the individual profiles would be at least as, if not more, informative than the aggregated data. If the plan is to include the individual profiles as well, then that's where I think my suggestions would fit in. It gives a more complete picture of admitted applicants. Sounds like we're on the same page. And yes, all of the relevant data will be public, including the raw data of individual responses. I don't want to serve as a gatekeeper of information, which would set a bad precedent and would undermine the credibility of our findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVineyard Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Sounds like we're on the same page. And yes, all of the relevant data will be public, including the raw data of individual responses. I don't want to serve as a gatekeeper of information, which would set a bad precedent and would undermine the credibility of our findings. Eek...then I won't be able to participate unfortunately. I could make a fake account and post some limited information, I guess. Edited March 14, 2014 by TheVineyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianfaircloud Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Eek...then I won't be able to participate unfortunately. I could make a fake account and post some limited information, I guess. Vineyard, the survey will be anonymous!!!! No one is asked any personally identifiable information. It will work exactly the same way as lawschoolnumbers and other law school admission sites. The surveys are completely anonymous. I just want to make sure you (and everyone else) understands that!! Edited March 15, 2014 by ianfaircloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reixis Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) It's not too hard on the analytic side (can't speak for continentals). The rules are basically this: 1. Publishing in a general journal only really counts if it's in the top 20: http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2012/04/the-top-20-general-philosophy-journals.html. 2. Publishing in a specialist journal only counts if its in the top 3 journals in that area (roughly), see this for an example: http://peasoup.typepad.com/peasoup/2005/10/ethics_journals.html . Just out of curiosity: is it a common practice between American undergraduates to publish at top journals? Edited March 17, 2014 by reixis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottagecheeseman Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Just out of curiosity: is it a common practice between American undergraduates to publish in top journals? it's not even common practice for top graduate students to publish in top journals in philosophy. Monadology, Establishment and philwomen2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiPhiPhi Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Just out of curiosity: is it a common practice between American undergraduates to publish at top journals? As Zizeksucks points out, no. I only know of a single case of someone publishing as an undergraduate - Dave Ripley, and that was co-written with his professor. Also Dave is crazy smart and has more publications already than his PhD advisor with only 3 years out of grad school..so don't take him as an average guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianfaircloud Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hey folks! Just an update. The survey is taking forever, but I want to do it right the first time. I really, really, really hope we can encourage a lot of people to participate. The more data, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I think this would be fantastic. I'm especially interested to see the data on minority/women applicants vs the white male majority. The only factors that I think would be unhelpful to the quiz are method of notification and date of notification. The rest are all the right kinds of questions to be able to put together a "profile" of a successful applicant, and maybe give future applicants a better idea of where they should aim (or at least, where applicants like them have ended up). I think many applicants would be less likely to share this information: 1) For the very reason that some of you have previously put forth...that it is potentially highly identifying and 2) because it might be used to subtly undermine the "legitimacy" of their acceptance. philwomen2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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