elodie
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14 minutes ago, chopper.wife said:
My supervisor said they hadn't heard anything yet and sent an email to the department head to get more information. I also saw the tweet from SSHRC saying we would get results end of April, hopefully that means Friday but who knows
SSHRC tweets/state's that every year, and it's rarely been true for everyone (I think I've found out from SSHRC first week of May for the past 4 years myself, unless my uni occasionally had sent me an email first, though every uni is different).
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Doesn't NSERC typically come out 1-2 weeks before SSHRC results? I agree with others that this isn't looking great for us finding out this week since they are just getting their access + results yesterday/today. Because the 1st of May is a weekend, I'm guessing schools will get results by the 30th/Friday (I believe they have always found out in April).
Last year I think it was a good 2 days of extranet emails before results were released? Last year my results weren't uploaded until May 1st. I've also been checking my old extranet account and nothing yet.
Hi to everyone from last season and everyone else! Any other 4th year students here? Somehow this season of applications feels slightly more stressful than the last 4. -
Hi all, has anyone here moved off the waitlist?
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18 minutes ago, ButterTurtle said:
Thank you for this. I'm not taking it personally, I just wish I could make sense of all of this. To have one reviewer rate my academic experience and achievements at a 4/5 and the other reviewer at 1/5.... Similar to you, a 90 average, a teaching fellowship, a research fellowship, 15 teaching assistantships, lots of conferences. No publication yet tho... so maybe that is why. Besides a publication, there is not anything else I feel like I can do.
Did they give you a specific breakdown of the scores beyond the 2 scores? That's so frustrating. I had something similar happen previously. I feel you re: feeling like there is not much we can do between now and September, specially if you're in a field where publishing is a bit slower or happens a bit later in your program/field.
All we can do is reapply (if eligible) and seek feedback from colleagues. Maybe the start of a publication process/ article that won't necessarily be approved by fall, but maybe we can work on something to have submitted by then while working on other deadlines etc. Publishing is really daunting to me but there are a lot of good self help books/ workshop books for social science publishing. -
22 hours ago, ButterTurtle said:
A question about the review process (not sure that anyone can answer) so I can move forward/improve for next year. I e-mailed SSHRC to get a breakdown of my scores. One reviewer scored me 3/10, another reviewer scored me 8/10. I'm not understanding this AT ALL. How can I effectively improve an application with these huge differences? I'm sure many of us are in the same boat.
It used to be if there was a difference of 2.5 point scores between both adjudicators it would be reviewed by the committee/chair, SSHRC has increased that number every year. This year I think it's 3.5. That still doesn't account for a 8 and a 3, I'm guessing that your particular application was reviewed by the committee in addition to the 2 panelists, and should have been flagged because of the discrepancy. It's sadly quite common to have big differences between scores. Their use of discretion has been justified by consistently updating policies to permit it. To me there is no reason for an 8 and a 3 unless the application grading is completely subjective.
In this case you could write to SSHRC and asked if they followed internal policies on having the discrepancy in scores reviewed by the committee and chair?
At the same time I would say don't take the scores to heart. All you can do is make the best proposal you can within your means (next year: can it have more specific methods, clearer theory, seek a review/edits from faculty you have good relationships with, from other colleagues, can you add conferences/volunteer work etc). At the end of the day many great applicants don't get awarded and it is at least a little bit arbitrary. Every year the proposal should be more specific (I want to do X, I'm about to do X, this is how I'm currently doing X), and even if you're still on coursework/comps, there should be a way to add some more specific details/locations/dates/timelines etc.I've been successful with provincial awards every year (x3) and had MA SSHRC and some larger internal awards, have years of relevant work experience and community support on my project, references from leaders in my field, 90+ average, publication, conferences, and I still can't get SSHRC (though I've gone from rejection 2x to waitlist 2x). I start from scratch every fall and no matter how good I feel about my application I ask multiple friends and a couple professors to review it and see what feedback I can add and what feedback I will pass on. I usually start early-mid August so I have enough time to go over it and seek feedback. Anyway, good luck!
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16 hours ago, Dylia said:
Thank you for sharing this!
Do you know if it meas that those with master's scholarship and got the doctor scholarship are eligible for this extension as well? (so extending CGS-M by four months and delaying doctoral fellowship by four months).
I have no idea, but you should contact SSHRC and see what they say. They haven't posted official details on this beyond their initial announcement (as far as I have seen?) so they could still be working out the specific regulations.
- Side note, I am probably going to checkout of gradcafe as we likely won't see waitlist movement till end of May (and this woman needs to MOVE ON). Hopefully see some more final scores/committees posted here today to get a better sense of where the cut off is for awarded/waitlist etc., for any of us waiting on waitlist. Thanks to everyone else for being a neurotic grad student with me over the past few days-2 weeks on here : ) -
14 hours ago, manahoana said:
I certainly hope not! I'm in a combined MA/PhD program so we don't really start the PhD work until our third year. My research topic will be much more refined by next year and my resume will have a lot more on it.
I could be wrong but I thought SSHRC doctoral applications had a checkbox to say if you're in a ma/phd combined program? So I think your situation would be different/ considered. Again I can't say for certain if SSHRC is doing this, I was notified by someone who works in a role related to SSHRC that this was in the works last fall, but there was some uncertainty as too when the changes would go through if they decided on them. With COVID I expect they would delay these hypothetical changes.
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If anyone was wondering if the Government of Canada's allocation of additional funds (291.6 million to federal granting councils) may trickle down to this year's doctoral sshrc cohort, this is the answer I got from the Ministry:
“The extra funding will allow the granting councils to extend all graduate scholarships and post-doctoral fellowships that are expiring between May and August 2020 by 4 months (the equivalent of one semester). This will allow graduate students and postdocs whose funding would have expired imminently a little more flexibility to complete their program of study while social distancing measures are in place.
It would not apply to those who are applying for new funding this year.”
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29 minutes ago, greentea22 said:
hello! waitlisted with 12.8. i don't know my committee but i'm in communication studies
3 - Anthro., Archaeology (except Classical Arch.), Archival Science, Comm./Media Studies, Criminology, Demography, Folklore, Geo., Library/Info. Science, Socio., Urban/Regional Studies, Enviro. Studies / Anthro., archéo. (sauf arch. classique), archivistique, comm./études média., criminologie, démographie, folklore, géo., biblio./science de l'info., socio., études urbaines/régionales, études enviro.
Likely 3 ^, there were 3 subcommittees for 3 last year. -
Just now, leelof said:
That’s so weird. I’m in the same committee, got 12.4/20 and no waitlist. Huh .
worth investigating! It could be that you're both on two separate sub committees. Psychology had 4 subcommittees last year, 4A-4D so that could explain why. They give the same amount of awards to each sub committee, and your score is relative to the subcommittee specifically, (top 42 out of 181 awarded in 4a, 4b, etc)
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On 5/1/2020 at 5:02 PM, lleto said:
You must be close. I don't remember who, but I think there was someone in committee 5 with a score of 13.5/20 or around there. Hopefully someone with a Vanier will decline and you'll move up! I'm in my third year, so I know it's disappointing. I have one more year to try this again.
I heard rumours that SSHRC is looking to change its process to only allow direct applicant-> second year students apply (something to do with making NSERC and SSHRC more similar), and that this could become effective this August or the year after. I'm also in third year, so part of the disappointment for me is I'm not even sure if we can reapply in September if the changes happen to be real. SSHRC will announce in August what their eligibility requirement is (this was stated on our letters). Not saying this to bum anyone out, but I am glad that someone notified me of these potential changes so I'm not in total shock come August if that happens. But in light of COVID-19 I can see them hopefully delaying these changes.
Looking forward to seeing more committees and waitlist ranks so we can hopefully makes some sense of this. I found an email someone posted last year from SSHRC that said waitlist is committee specific. And if we look at the stats posted they kept 22-23% success rate in each committee. So I would guess that maybe waitlist is committee specific, and someone needs to give up SSHRC in your committee to move up the waitlist so they can keep a fair distribution across fields. I am just guessing though! -
39 minutes ago, leelof said:
No SSHRC for me. Seems like all rejections today. Really bummed and frustrated at their process. My score was 12.40/20
12.40 seems quite high to not be waitlisted, can I ask what committee you applied to? Sorry to hear!
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1 hour ago, Adelaide9216 said:
Yes. It doesn't make sense to be honest.
Last year, I got a Vanier but did not get FRQSC. For the exact same research project. So congrats you everyone who got the award and for those who did not, please please please don't take it personally or as a reflection of your worth and potential in academia.
Was it your experience that many people who won Vanier in your cohort, also won SSHRC? We are trying to gauge how much movement there is with the waitlist. With 5 committees, and 13 subcommittees, it seems that even if 2% of people awarded gave up SSHRC (20ish people), you'd need to be 1st or 2nd on your committee ranking waitlist to have a chance of movement. Just guessing though since SSHRC won't tell us anything directly.
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Here is a question for those of you who were successful, did your letter indicate a date by which you needed to accept the award? That would give us waitlist folks at least a timeframe before we may expect to see some movement.
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17 hours ago, CarefreeWritingsontheWall said:
I didn't receive a notification that my results were up, but out of curiosity I logged in this evening. I got a SSHRC! Direct applicant from a US program. Applied to committee 5.
For what it's worth, I'm in my fourth year at a US program, so it's only 20K, but this might be enough for me to haggle 6th year support from my program.
can I ask what your score was to help get a sense of waitlist for this committee? thx : )
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Is it still the case that some people here won SSHRC but have won Vanier etc., and then give up SSHRC? Anyone have any information about waitlist movements from previous years?
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Sigh, waitlisted on Committee 5 with a 12.80 (3rd year student). Feeling pretty bummed right now. Not about myself or the value of my work, just the situation.
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2 minutes ago, angrycrustacean said:
Thank you! So excited.
Thinking mostly of applicants in future years who might trawl through this thread, I hope it might be useful to document my "journey" with SSHRC.
2014: SSHRC CGS-M Waitlisted, unsuccessful.
2015: SSHRC CGS-M Successful: Rewrote application entirely.
2018: SSHRC CGS-D Rejected: Direct applicant, not yet accepted to school at time of application.
2018: OGS Successful: Using trimmed version of CGS-D .
2019: SSHRC CGS-D Successful: Institutional applicant, applied during first year of doctorate. Rewrote application entirely, this time with help from many profs in my dept and university SSHRC-writing workshops. In terms of CV changes since previous application, the only major change is that I had won OGS and been accepted to my program. Score of 17.5/20 - but last year I got 9/20!I was really crushed by those past rejections, and things could have easily turned out differently this round if my adjudicators had had a different food for breakfast. It's all a roll of the dice, except that no matter what we get stronger, more confident, and more fully formed as we go through iterations. For those who have gotten (or will get) rejections/waitlisted, I feel you so so keenly and I hope my data points are another assurance that your work will ultimately pay off.
What a big jump in scores! Congrats!! You were just given your login this morning, correct?
Yes, everyone keep re-applying no matter what! I've applied 4 times now (direct applicant, year 1,2, & 3) ! It's frustrating and not fun having to go through this year after year, but you never know when it will pan out! And it reminds our references that we are willing to keep putting in the work (which I think is important). -
My latest theory on notifications is that they may be notifying those at the top and bottom of each committee and making their way inwards. Because we have seen SO many 'big sshrc' winners yesterday and today, only a handful of regular sshrcs (from what I can see?), and unsuccessful applicants.
* edit: I guess this doesn't account for waitlists applicants, so maybe I'm totally off on this
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I got my login email around 9:45 AM this morning but no results yet. Looks like others who got logins this morning have since received results? Gives me hope that I'll hear shortly. I'm at the end of third year, so after 3 rounds of rejections/waitlists I'm really hoping for it this time around since my 5th year is unfunded. Though life will go on and we'll all find our ways with or without it!
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1 minute ago, jsmoker said:
Hi friends,
Just got my results, a day and a half after getting the login. I'm a direct applicant in the UK. I was wait listed with a score of 13.20/20.
Hope that helps, and that all of you who are waiting hear back soon as well!
That sounds like a fairly high score as far as waitlists go, good luck!
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27 minutes ago, quiettimes said:
Hi folks, just an update for you. I just got an email at 7:35 EST from Extranet.support@nserc-crsng.gc.ca with the following message:
Le français suit l’anglais)
Greetings:
This email contains information regarding your access to the SSHRC Extranet for Applicants. You will be using this site to access information about competition results once available.
Your Username is: [my user name]
Please click on "I Forgot my Password" on the login page to generate your password.
To access the extranet site, go to: https://influence.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/700000/A/default.aspx/#.
Note: You will be notified via email when the results become available.
Technical support
Contact the On-line Services Helpdesk at 613-995-4273 or by e mail at webapp@nserc-crsng.gc.ca. Indicate your e mail address and telephone number. Hours of service are from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. (EST), Monday to Friday.
Regards,
Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council
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Happy to hear someone is getting login details/email from SSHRC today after not much movement yesterday, thanks for update! Alright here we go! A new day of being unnecessarily neurotic at my computer.
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Just now, thisistheworst13 said:
It really seems like direct applicants already know if they won (I am a direct applicant from U.S. who got credentials yesterday and have not heard anything) and a lot of universities are finding out now. I hope not, but I am not seeing many direct applicant rejections that actually know.
I saw a direct applicant rejection earlier today so hang tight! I am almost certain they did NOT notify direct applicants based on winning/not winning. They have a different method we don't know of yet for who has been notified.
SSHRC Doctoral 2020-2021
in Waiting it Out
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Sadly, rejected with a 14.95 and this was my last chance at applying. Good luck to everyone!
2 small publications, 5 conferences, professional work experience in my field related to research topic, 4x provincial awards + 5x internal awards
If you win, you deserve it! If you lose, it's arbitrary (or they don't like your research topic) : )