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  1. Sorry, that was me that posted about IU as guest. I thought I was logged in. Do y'all know there is another MPA thread going on? http://forum.thegradcafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=151 That UGA tailgating post as guest is me, too.
  2. Shooter- sorry to hear it. Given the applicant profiles on RAND's website, it looks like almost no one gets in w/o a master's (or MD or whatever) so getting one is definitely a good course of action. My math/econ background is fairly strong but not fantastic. So that (and my GRE Q being only a 740) leads me to believe that RAND places a strong emphasis on SOP and/or LOR (and maybe research experience?). But, that's just a guess... Good luck!
  3. Are you in school right now/in touch with your past professors? I would try to talk to a professor who has been in the situation before & ask them what they would like to hear. You don't want to burn any bridges because you never know when you will see this could've-been-mentor at a conference in the future, etc. Yet you also want to sound professional. Good luck! I am going to be in this position in about 2 weeks assuming I like the school I'm visiting on Friday. Though I didn't get it laid on quite as think as you did with all of that "perfect match" stuff!
  4. When I got into Chicago/MPP for Fall 2004, I heard via email in mid-March. So maybe that's the time table they run on... good luck!
  5. Re PhD, I have funding/stipend at 1 school I'm in and I assume at the 2nd, but am not sure yet. Will find out when I visit Friday. Still waiting to hear on about 10 other applications. Re my future career path, that's a little up in the air. I am considering going into academia, but I'm not sure. I do know, though, that basically anything I want to do requires a PhD, even if it's not academia. It's hard to break into the think tank world w/any force w/o a PhD, and it can do you some good in gov't too. Right now I've taken 2/3 of the econometrics I'll have in my PhD program but no one would know it because I've "only" got an MPA. And I could certainly never get into academia w/o a PhD. Re choosing UGA over Syracuse, several reasons: 1. Cost. When I visited SU in March 2004, the students I talked to basically said they were counting on the Maxwell name to get them to a job where they could pay off their tuition. It is a terrific name- but I don't know that it's $40,000 terrific. 2. SU's program is compact b/c it is all in 11 months. That leaves you little (if any) time for research or internships. I specifically asked about this. Research opportunities were a big reason I choose UGA. 3. SU's program is huge. Something like 100-120+ per class? I wanted something a little smaller where I could stand out and get to know the professors. Yet my program (~55-65/year, depending) is still large enough to have a variety of classes offered and to meet many interesting people. 4. After visiting both programs, I just felt more comfortable at UGA. It's not that I'm not willing to step outside of the box- I did that by leaving the midwest in the first place. But at UGA, things just seemed to "fit" for me. I had that expectation before visiting SU but just didn't feel good about the visit. That's why I think visiting is SO important. 5. Quality of life. At UGA, you have more time to research/intern/whatever. Unless you love heavy snow and really cold weather for 5 months/yr, SU is not a fun place to be. I am young (did MPA straight from undergrad) so I did not mind doing a 2 year program. I can see how SU would be particularly attractive to mid-career folks since it is only 1 year. Go visit and talk to current students. They will probably be honest with you. If it seems like they are saying only good things, ask them what their least favorite aspect of the program is. No program is perfect.
  6. If the department here nominated you for a GS assistantship, that means they really want you to come and were impressed by your application. No promises, but my guess is that you will be selected for one. PADP has a strong track record of its nominees winning university-wide assistantships. If not, they may be able to find you something in the department. I would never pay $50K/yr for grad school. Or even $30K/yr. I don't care if was Oxford or Harvard or wherever. But that's just me. I figure that if I'm living technically below the poverty level when I already have a bachelor's degree, my unearned wages from the full-time job I would have are enough of an opportunity cost. No way I'd want to add major debt to that since in the public/non-profit sectors you don't have a lot of control over moving up the ranks quickly when it comes to salary. Grad students have funding options law/med students don't...though those folks have more of a guarantee of making it back after they're working. It was my understanding in Spr 04 that Syracuse doesn't give money to folks coming straight from undergrad. So if you are in that position, keep that in mind. But, then again, maybe that just told me that and that's not really true I applied for PhD programs in health policy (6), policy analysis (1), and economics (6). My econ applications aren't overly strong b/c I don't have enough of a math background, but it speaks VERY well of my education/research experience/Letters of Rec from UGA that I am getting into some programs at top-ranked schools of public health.
  7. Why I chose UGA: 1. I got a fully-funded RA-ship through the Graduate School. These are hard to come by b/c you have to be nominated by your dept & then compete w/students across the university. I think at UGA ~20% of MPAs have TA or RAships...give or take. Almost all are departmental, not through the GS. 2. I wanted to have the flexibility to move to a suburb one day & not have to live in a big city (even though that's where I think I want to be). MPA = broader degree = useful at L, St, F gov't or non-profit. MPP is more specialized. 3. At UGA, if you get on the ball and meet the professors, it is not tough to stand out as a top notch policy student b/c less than half the students are really into policy. That means that you have more opportunities than, say, at a UChicago where there are, what, 200 per MPP class or something crazy like that?! I chose Chicago over Minn, & UGA over Syracuse. Then the RA/$ really chose UGA for me...plus I visited here in March and fell in love w/the idea of getting out of the midwest (I'm from Ohio). Good things about UGA: 1. Weather...city...cost of living...etc. 2. Fantastic faculty. REALLY approachable. Fabulously well-published (though that mostly applies to PA fields like personnel & organization theory). 3. The MPA courses are not very challenging. I'm not saying that you don't learn a lot in them, just that they're not overly difficult. This has frustrated me. But from what I hear, that is also the case at Syracuse. And that means you can challenge yourself by putting your time into harder classes. The MPA methods sequence is no tougher than what I had in undergrad as a PA major. I think this is the biggest weakness of the UGA program. So, I am taking the doctoral econometrics sequence. This is as good if not better than what you'd get at UChicago. And this is totally doable if you start w/the statistics course spring of your 1st year that the 1st year PhD students take & then take their econometrics courses your 2nd year. 4. The UGA program is getting better & better. Currently tied for #3 (Syracuse is 1, Harvard is 2, tied w/Indiana for #3) overall in public affairs. UGA's program 3 years ago was very PA based. Now there are several policy faculty members, plus a health economist starting Fall 06. That means your degree (and my degree!) will just look better & better in coming years. 5. The program has several things you can focus in: public policy analysis, health policy (new), budgeting/finance, personnel, etc. But some of the electives are not offered very often (this is actually true of many graduate programs). The public policy concentration is the easiest to fulfill in terms of having choices of electives. That said, it is also the most rigorous (in my opinion). Definitely not too challenging- but enough so that it's interesting and you stay busy. BTW, don't limit yourself to taking only 3 classes/semester like they suggest. Unless you are working full-time somewhere, take 4. You will learn more and have time to take classes outside of the department/school. Bad things about UGA: 1. It can be tough to get out of the MPA core requirements if they are too easy for you. So, what you need to do is 1. be (appropriately) assertive. And 2. get to know a faculty member well and have him/her go to bat for you with the Graduate Coordinator if the situation arises. If you go to UGA and you have taken intermediate microeconomics in undergrad, make sure you get into Policy Analysis I your first semester. Don't let them put you in the econ seminar that is a core requirement. 2. The MPA classes are clearly not policy. So, they may not interest you. They don't really interest me. But, I've made it work, and I think I'm better off for having a broader background. Regarding the philosophical underpinnings of policy, our Policy II class is all about equity. We read Rawls, Sen, Nozick, etc. Honestly it was probably my favorite class ever b/c I am an econ person so the whole "equity matters just as much as efficiency" thing was a new perspective for me. I am not sure about advocacy...I don't know that any schools have coursework in that, per se. I think policy analysis & quantitative techniques are the fundamentals of advocacy, though. Bottom line: UGA's program is smaller than UChicago. You will be able to take 4+ policy electives [you are required to take a minimum of 6 electives- mine have all been policy, econ, & econometrics]. If you work your way into the econometrics sequence that the doctoral students take (PADP 8120, 8130, 8140), you will be VERY tech-ed up when you graduate and able to compete against any MPP. Plus, you'll have all the benefits of an MPA. The number one reason I've loved UGA is because of the professor I've been an RA for. He is the professor that teaches Policy I & II as well as the 8130 course (which is linear regression). He's absolutely fantastic. Also, I've loved living in Athens in general. Academics should be your first reason to pick a school, and perhaps finances second- but location/quality of life/etc are all important. And Georgia is a great place to be. If you end up coming to UGA, I will give you tips on how to get the most you can out of this program. I got some of my best advice from a guy I met during my visit to UGA in March 2004. He was a 1st year at the time, and he had also turned down UChicago for UGA. My final piece of advice: GO VISIT. At least your top 2 choices, if not more. Whatever $/time it takes, it will really be worth it. I thought Syracuse was my #1 choice until I visited. Nothing in particular, it just didn't feel right. This is the longest post ever, but I wanted to give you lots of information b/c I was really stressed out choosing btw MPA/MPP. And I'm kind of in your shoes, also- I'm currently having a tough time choosing where to go for a Ph.D. 2 acceptances so far, still waiting to hear from a bunch more... Good luck!
  8. Hopefully 2nd time is a charm. I can get accepted to PhD programs, but I can't figure out how to get my member name to show up on these posts...hmm...
  9. I am the one who just posted that is currently at UGA. I now have a member name...I think. Apparently I am smart enough to get into PhD programs but not smart enough to figure out how to work this website on the first try, lol.
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