jendoly
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Oh, and along the lines of my previous comments on having no publications, my reviewers apparently thought I had a "significant number of publications". I guess journal articles (of which I have zip) aren't all that count. To future applicants reading this thread next year: list everything, y'all, even that college press journal your freshman year term paper made it into...!
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Hey, I like Stanford too. I'll be going there (probably). But a more correct version is that Stanford chooses a *large* number of students, and this necessarily goes deeper into the lower-end of the academic totem pole. And even lower because they lose a lot of the best students to MIT, Berkeley, and even others which have better environments (thanks to not weeding students out or forcing them to pay). Graduate school is not meant to cost anything. Don't toe the Stanford party line just because you want to make yourself feel better.
This. I think I even made this exact argument to students at our visit day this year when explaining why I picked MIT over Stanford. Stanford was the only one of my schools that a) didn't offer funding and b ) didn't even offer reimbursement to come out and visit. From my perspective, it never made a real effort, and as such, I had no desire to go. Not saying it's not a good school/program, but I felt more respected and valued by other schools that only accepted as many students as they had funding for. I know people who were more than willing to take out loans to go to Stanford, and all the power to them, but it's true that Stanford loses a LOT of students simply to schools that WILL pay for masters students.
In addition, the students they DO get are die hard for Stanford (at least in MechE), either because it was their reach or dream school already or, for the candidates with other offers, the research is the best and they are thus compelled. One can argue that they are "selecting for" that subset of the population by admitting a larger pool without offering the incentive of funding. It's one approach to finding a student body, and not necessarily a bad one - just different than schools who individually select students for projects.
To the OP: I've heard that it isn't TOO hard to find funding once you get there, which falls in with the above idea of recruiting students who will take a financial or other risk for the sake of going to Stanford. I'll leave more specific rumination and advice to people who actually go =P
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oh my God, they're in LaTeX this year! (further comments once I read them)
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Honestly, I think it depends 100% on your reviewers. I had three reviewers last year (but didn't get an HM...hmm), and their biggest critique was that they didn't think it was feasible to get access to the facilities I mentioned in my proposal (though I have since discovered that I totally could have done it, grr). They also hilariously contradicted each other - one raved about my BIs/outreach, and one thought it was terrible. I actually laughed at how bipolar the reviews seemed (despite feeling terribly crappy about not getting it). And that was that. My friend got an HM with his only critique being that he said he was going to continue on at his current university and the reviewer thought he should aim for a better school in his field. Ouch.
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1 May.
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To introduce additional confusion into the mix, the Application Instructions page uses slightly different wording: "Notifications of awards will be emailed towards the second week of April 2011."
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*sigh* after logging in and not getting the fellows page I tried to just go to bed, and when I went to fiddle around with my phone after an hour of not getting to sleep, I got the rejection email (not even an honorable mention). Too bad.
Congrats to everyone who got it. For the rest of us, time to wait on NDSEG now (even though that's supposed to be harder to get than the NSF fellowship...).
Good luck! I'll be moving to that thread soon. They may offer less awards, but I think that it depends on what your research is whether or not the NDSEG or NSF would be more likely to get.
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Unless they've changed something in the last year, you can use NSF for any 3 out of the next 5 years. I deferred my first year of NSF because I had a similar fellowship from my graduate school (for 3 out of the next 5 years) that did require I use it in my first year.
I know they changed it to say that you couldn't defer it in order to use another fellowship, but I don't see how they're preventing what you're suggesting... *crosses fingers*
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For everyone in this situation: I had the same result last year, and this year I got a fellowship. Don't give up and don't forget the pages and pages of posts here that speak to how arbitrary this process can be. I would say the thing that helped me improve the most was attending an NSF workshop at my school about applying for the GRFP. They gave out packets with examples of winning essays and had a lot of great advice.
Same here. Thought I had even less of a chance this year because I still didn't have any publications to my name. It did help to get to grad school and actually talk to people here who'd won it or gotten HMs, to hear what their ratings sheets said - learning mistakes to avoid definitely helped. Also, I think I had better reference letters this year instead of just professors who'd taught me once.
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So, the NSF says we can use three years in a five year period of time, but it's unclear whether or not next year HAS to be one of them. Can I accept NSF and still use my last year of full funding from my department first?
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Don't worry about it. It's a common thing for people that get the award when they apply as an undergrad, and they don't bother changing it. In fact, I'm the only person I know that got the award as an undergrad that's actually going to the school listed on the NSF website. And that's only because I put down my #2 choice to try jinx the system
.Niceeeeeee.
I didn't get it as an undergrad, but the professor I wrote my undergrad proposal geared around was indeed the professor I was accepted under. xD
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Just got the mail.
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C and G got it, D got HM
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Is anyone able to load the ratings?
See my post above. Three business days, they say.
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Note from the Award letter for people wondering about rating sheets:
"Applications were reviewed according to the NSF Merit Review Criteria of Intellectual
Merit and Broader Impacts. Application reviews will be available in three business days.
To view the application reviews, please navigate to the NSF GRFP FastLane website
and login using your FastLane GRFP login credentials."
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A C&P of my page:
Fellows Task List
No Tasks Required At This Time
Declare Tenure Plans 2011
Available after award acceptance
Deadline: May 1, 2011
Fellows Optional Task ListView Tenure Details/Request Tenure Change
View Submitted Tenure Change Requests
View/Print Fellowship Award Offer Letter
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Lots and lots of retrying...
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Pretty sure me and one of my other friends got it (based on the log-in stuff) and my co-waitee got HM.
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Jendoly, what do you work on?
I'm working on electromagnetic deployment of large, membranous space structures (and designing a weather cubesat, two different projects).
My co-waitee worked on gender bias in turtle populations due to roadway heating (as an undergrad a while back). He now works on computational science and glaciology.
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If anyone is in the mood for a CSB situation while we wait:
I study sex determination in turtles, which have temperature-dependent sex determination. Last year, my NSF reviewer told me that to be well rounded I should join the transgender/transexual student organization as a scientific advisor. So...I've got that to look forward to.
My co-waitee: OMG!!! I STUDIED THAT TOO!!!
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Well I'd like to think we're all having a wait party together.
Like (:
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So, a fellow NSF-waitee and I are currently in my room having a Wait Party. He just proposed a variation on the Results Waiting Drinking Game that replaces "every time you get an email" with "every time you refresh the page"...
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does anyone know if we will have access to the reviewer comments right when we get our acceptance/HM/rejection?
My email at 1:13 am last year read as follows:
Dear -----------------:
Your application for the 2010 National Science Foundation (NSF)
Graduate Research Fellowship Program (GRFP) has been evaluated.
We regret to inform you that you were not selected to receive a
fellowship in this year's competition.
Applications were reviewed according to the NSF Merit Review
Criteria of Intellectual Merit and Broader Impacts. To view your
rating sheets, please visit the GRF Operations Center website at
Your login for the rating sheets website is as follows:
Username: -------------------
Password: ----------------
If you have problems accessing your rating sheets, please send
an e-mail to info@nsfgrfp.org. Please be advised that in
accordance with policies set forth in the NSF Grant Proposal
Guide, fellowship decisions are not subject to reconsideration.
Thank you for your interest in the Graduate Research Fellowship
Program. We wish you well in your future graduate studies.
Sincerely,
Carol Van Hartesveldt, Ph.D.
Acting Division Director
Division of Graduate Education
Soooooo I think it was right then? Can't remember if I tried it and there was a delay though.
NSF GRFP 2010-2011
in The Bank
Posted · Edited by jendoly
.....did you call it back?!?
And before someone suggests that's rude - I'm half kidding. (;