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Well I didn't get into WWS but I did get into the others. I wrote about my opinion of the pros and cons on the other page and answered about how I decided to come to IR/PS but basically it was a combination of academic fit and fellowship support. IR/PS is a lot of work but I think I am learning a lot. Congrats on your acceptance!

From my understanding, your assessment sounds about right regarding the pros and cons of the programs. I'd say also that for becoming an FSO I don't think there would be a big difference between the schools. It's just such a long nebulous process where school name doesn't do much and both would give you a solid background for it. I'd say go to the school that is a better fit for what you want to study/ where you want to be, etc. And since both schools would prepare you well for the FSO and I don't really think either one would put you at a great advantage, go to the school where you learn the skills you want to learn and can develop yourself the best for your plan B and C. Odds are that even best case scenario if you do get through the FSO process the first time, the government moves like molasses and you'll probably need to be doing something job-wise before your A100 class begins.

Congrats to everyone accepted and to those still waiting I hope you hear good news soon! Yes, if you got the nominated for acceptance you are accepted to the program. And for funding, these decisions probably won't come out for maybe 3 more weeks or so. I got my funding notification near the end of March so I'm guessing that's when people will hear this year too.

Applying to Fort Hays isn't really applying, its not like you send test scores and transcripts and write essays, you just register. I looked into the UCB program too but it was twice as expensive and required you to take a final exam in person.

Fort Hays State Univ. in Kansas offers 100% online classes with the same price for instate or out of state students and it is a real college where the coursework will be recognized. I think for micro-econ it cost me about $500. It was a pretty simply process and interaction with the professor was optional, i.e. no mandatory postings on class message boards, etc.

Edan - These days the big momentum of the school seems to be China, which is understandable given China's rise in the world. Actually when IRPS was founded the main focus was Japan since many people thought Japan would overtake the US in many regards in the mid-80s. I know less about the Latin America track, but this has always been a focus of the school and I think it either has the largest or second largest percentage of students focusing on it (the other being China). I know they have the US-Mexico Center that brings in speakers. I know less about the international development track but I know people in it of course. What aspect of development are you most interested in? I have only taken core classes so far but we have tackled different development issues from a somewhat qualitative but fairly quantitative perspective in both managerial econ and quantitative methods 2 (basically its an econometrics/regression analysis corse). This year the professors teaching managerial econ and QM2 are both development specialists. Everyone has their own opinion about which is the most practical and versatile career track, it's hard to say but of course depends on what you want to do. On the not purely academics side of things, IRPS has a few different development clubs that do consulting work here in the local community as well as in Mexico with the Baja Project, a unique project that selects about three students each year to spend time a few times during the year in a very rural community in Baja Mexico working on development projects. Also, UCSD is about 30 minutes from "Latin America" so some people get involved with volunteering at orphanages, etc. Also, Prof. Feinberg teaches a US-Cuban Relations (or Cuban Politics, can't remember) class and goes with the students to Cuba for Spring Break every year on a study trip, which IRPS partially subsidizes. Pinkman - For private sector, there are a good concentration of students in California working for energy-consulting firms, communications firms like Qualcomm, etc. Some alumni go into private-sector government consulting work at firms in DC, and I know there are at least a few alumni that I've come across working at political risk consulting firms. There's also the occasional I-banker but this isn't typical. I do think the curriculum is flexible enough to tailor to your career goals (particularly in the 2nd year of the program) but structured enough to provide everyone who goes through the program with certain skills. If you are really curious career services would be able to provide you with a more comprehensive list but since I am focusing on public sector I haven't looked into this as much. For going the private-sector route in DC I'm sure the SAIS network is stronger since it is in DC itself and is an older and more known school in DC. So I would give SAIS a leg up in this regard, though I still have the sense that IRPS does pretty well with alumni setting up shop in DC after graduating. Mostly when I was talking about similar job prospects I was thinking about the public sector. For most of the jobs - State. Dept. civil service, foreign service, USAID, etc. the application process is very complicated and requires either an exam (foreign service) or passing the Presidential Management Fellowship (PMF). There are other ways to get jobs with the federal government but after talking to a lot of different people I hear the same story over and over again: "Get the PMF." Having more chances for internships in DC while studying at a school like SAIS might help you with networking but with the federal government from my understanding this can only help you so much. So IRPS, although not in DC, in this regard has similar job prospects IMO. I think it comes down to doing some cost-benefit analysis of your funding packages and thinking about how much debt you're OK with at the different schools you get accepted to. For me IRPS was a great fit anyway and most of the other schools too expensive given everything IRPS had to offer.

TL;DR: IR/PS is a land of contrasts, a niche program in some ways, but one which provides you with generalist skills as well. Personal and professional/academic fit are really important! IR/PS is about 40% foreign students, the plurality from China but there are chunks from Japan, Korea, Mexico, Brazil, etc. The US students are proportionally more skewed towards Californians but there are plenty from out of state as well. If I had to guess maybe half of domestic students are from California, maybe a little more, but pretty much everyone has lived abroad. IR/PS is in San Diego, which is a totally different environment than a city like DC and of course California is more laid back, but alas IR/PS is a land of contrasts. Yes, California is chill and we could go to the beach every day since it’s just a mile away, but it is a very demanding program and we don’t have a lot of free time. Academic research-wise IR/PS and polisci at UCSD in general are top notch, but for the MPIA program IR/PS has got to have one of the most “professional”/quant- focused curricula and the career services are great at getting students prepared for moving to DC or wherever. I’m looking to go to DC after I graduate so that’s what I know the most about. Pros: Quantitative curriculum – IR/PS prides itself on providing an “IR/PS toolkit” with real skills to take to the job world whether that’s with private sector, government, or non-profit. This includes at least two quantitative methods courses, managerial econ, international econ, finance, and accounting. Asia/Pacific focus – Lots of cool speakers coming to speak at IR/PS and curriculum allowing you to specialize in a specific region. There is never a shortage of interesting speakers, just wish I had time to go to more. There are several different research centers on campus that bring them in. Faculty and courses – There are excellent faculty here doing top research in both regional affairs and international security, political economy, development, etc. You can complement all the “professional” skills with faculty who are at the top of their game in research. Location – La Jolla is alright but San Diego as a whole is great. Definitely one of my favorite cities. Wherever you are planning to end up living, a few years in San Diego might not be too horrible and you can always move out of SD or California afterwards as many alumni do. Career Services – They are awesome, really can’t overstate this. There are three full time career services people and they are on top of their game and very helpful and knowledgeable about the different industries, hiring procedures, etc. They will pretty much help you with anything and keep you in the loop. This is a huge asset of IR/PS. Price – This depends on your personal situation and offers but overall I would say that IR/PS is cheaper than some of the DC schools. For example, if you are a California resident your tuition will be about 20k cheaper per year than a school like SAIS. If you are a non-resident American then it’ll still be about 10k cheaper your first year and the second year you can get California residency. Of course, IR/PS also offers merit based fellowships, which I’d say are certainly competitive to get but not rare. Sorry I don’t have figures on this, I’m sure admissions knows! Oh, and most students who apply early enough can get graduate housing for two years, which is subsidized and fairly cheap. Think about 500 a month for your own room on campus, possibly furnished depending on the specific place. Cons: Large classes your first year – Basically most classes you take your first year are with all the same students so you see each other every day and then when things don’t make sense in the big lecture hall you go to office hours of the professor or TA. I imagine that other professional IR programs the same size as IR/PS might be the similar, but there are definitely downsides education-wise to such huge classes. Most electives are taken your second year – If a particular faculty member you want to work with happens to be on sabbatical or something your second year for whatever reason, you’re out of luck since you have a heavy core course load your first year. This also means less flexibility in curriculum. The core curriculum is pretty set although it’s possible to waive out of classes if you’ve taken a similar course at another school and done well. If you are looking for a program that’s very flexible in terms of creating your own degree this isn’t it. Although you can create a specialization with an academic advisor instead of doing International Politics or International Econ. etc, you’re probably not going to get out of core courses. No matter what your focus is you’ll have some flexibility your second year but the first year is almost set for you, and it is very challenging. If you aren’t particularly interested in Pacific Rim IR then IR/PS might not be the best fit since you have to fulfill a language requirement here for a Pacific Rim country and do a regional specialization. Language courses are pretty hit or miss in terms of quality, some are through IR/PS and some are through UCSD so you might end up taking classes with undergrads, depends on the language. Location – San Diego is great and there are a good amount of IR/PS alumni working in DC in the federal gov. etc. But, obviously the DC schools would allow you to be right there and possibly intern during the school year, which could be useful. I think the career services mitigate this downside a lot but it’s still true that the DC schools will have a larger alumni network in DC and a longer history of such.

If people are interested I could post up a more comprehensive list later of the pros and cons of IR/PS but below is how I made my decision. Also, I seriously thought about IR grad school for probably 5 years before I enrolled and have been looking on these boards researching many different program for a while so I think I was pretty informed. I really liked IR/PS because of its focus on the Asia/Pacific and their faculty in my field. Also, IR/PS is particularly quantitative and I wanted to get some "hard skills." In the midst of working on my quantitative methods and accounting assignments late into the night I'm not always as enthusiastic about it but hey that's grad school and I think these classes will prove useful in the future. I felt (and feel) that IR/PS would combine the specialization of focusing on what I want regionally but also give me some particularly marketable skills. The faculty here are top notch in terms of their research, and I also looked at what alumni were doing just to get a taste of where the degree might lead me. Regarding funding, I was very fortunate to get generous support at IR/PS and this was a huge factor in my decision. This was very important to me as I believe for these degrees you really want to minimize debt as much as possible. This doesn't always mean taking the cheapest option but at least in my case IR/PS was a great fit anyway and when factoring everything in it was clear to me that it was the best choice. IR/PS in a way is a niche program because of its pacific rim focus but what they do they do really well. If your true passion is Middle East or European politics then it probably isn't the best program for you, although many of the skills you get would also be applicable there as well. I was also offered similarly generous funding at Syracuse but decided that IR/PS was a better fit for my interests. Fletcher, SAIS, and Georgetown would have been very expensive and after receiving my fellowship offers from IR/PS and Maxwell I didn't consider them much further just because they would have been too expensive for very similar job prospects in the end. I also wasn't too mad about spending a few years in San Diego. I laid out in the sun on the grass at Balboa Park yesterday studying for a midterm in early February. Of course, my lament here is that school is so demanding that I don't get to enjoy San Diego as much as I'd like to.

Sorry to hear that, hope you can get off the waitlist!

Congrats on your acceptance edan!

No problem, happy new years to everyone and good luck with all your aps!

I'm really not sure about word counts, I'd give them a call if you can't find that information on the website, they're pretty helpful. Funding-wise, there definitely is funding out there although I'd say that those who get it probably have more work experience, higher GPAs, test scores, etc. If you don't get funding there are opportunities to do TA-ships, etc. but these are completely contingent on you being able to secure these yourself after you've gotten here and they are pretty competitive to get since most TA-ships at UCSD go to PhD students. Also, they advise against getting them your first quarter when the work load is particularly intense. And I can attest that it IS very intense. I'm not really sure about the rolling admissions issues, I know that some people did apply after the deadline and still got accepted, but I'd really say get your application in as early as possible to increase chances of admission and funding. Most people here have some kind of work experience too although there are certainly a decent amount straight out of undergrad as well- I'm guessing that they tend to have higher GPAs/test scores, etc. Sorry, I don't know more about the nitty gritty of the application and admission process, I'd give them a call.

Thanks, sure ask away!

I'm a first year in the MPIA program, we just finished with finals and I'd be happy to answer any questions people have about IRPS. I've only been here a quarter but will do my best to answer. Good luck to everyone with all your apps this year!

Not sure what a top-25 school really means, the only rankings for IR programs that I've seen are from Foreign Policy Magazine and I think that what you want to study is probably fairly specific in graduate school that I'm not sure how much credence I'd give to those rankings. US News ranks MPA programs but I also don't know if these make a ton of sense either since this also has to do with your focus, location, etc. I'm not sure how UW ranks exactly but it is an APSIA school like the others mentioned.

For an Asia-focused IR degree I'd look at SAIS, Columbia-SIPA, and as you mentioned UCSD-IRPS. All have great faculty and focuses on East Asia but are general enough to where you acquire more broad skills as well. I believe that IRPS is the only school with a specific focus on the pacific rim/East Asia though. Many other schools have classes on East Asia/China as well although it might not be as strong of a focus of the school. I believe the University of Washington also has a strong focus on East Asia being another west coast school. My understanding was that their program was more either the MPA or a masters in China Studies, etc. not a combination of area studies and functional studies in one degree like the others though. Someone out there correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, like I said I don't know a ton about the program, but my impression was that they are good for those particularly intending to focus in intelligence/security studies. And 33% employed by the federal gov. after seems like a decent percentange considering College Station isn't anywhere near DC. Of course if this number includes those doing the MPA, those people might be working for domestic focused federal agencies in Texas or elsewhere.

I don't know a whole lot about the Bush School but I did look into them a little bit before applying to schools last fall. They have some faculty who were formerly in high places, Robert Gates was a former faculty member and they just got Natsios from Georgetown. http://bush.tamu.edu/news/index.php/story/andrew_natsios_appointed_executive_professor_at_the_bush_school The Bush School also is one of five schools with the Robertson Fellowship, so they are clearly aiming to help students get into the federal government. In terms of placement rates and alumni, I would actually just email them and/or call them. I ended up not applying there but when considering talked with some people in the office there and they were pretty helpful. Ask for employment numbers and ask to speak with current students about the school, what the student body is like and what their impressions are about career services. One positive thing I came away with about the Bush School, is that compared to a lot of schools they are MUCH more affordable and don't require ridiculous amounts of student loans to study there. I see this as a huge plus. What field in international affairs are you looking to get in to? Cause that could very well affect where you want to study too.

I've had various experiences teaching English overseas too. Yes, it can definitely be a mixed bag, each position can be quite different and it's best to do a little research first. But I've have had very rewarding experiences teaching English. I'm more interested in going the international policy route, but actually my time teaching made me more seriously consider the profession that I ever had before, and definitely increased my interest in international education issues.

Also, this might not provide directly relevant experience for your future but I'd recommend looking into teaching English abroad if you want a little international adventure, and see how you like teaching. Jobs are more plentiful, and in my view, there's usually no need to rush things career-wise.

Yeah, I'd recommend the cheapest option, that's what I did. I took micro and macro online. I think they just want to see that you've taken it. Save your dollars for grad school.

Yeah, it's definitely been blowing up today!

Which prep do you guys have to take? They're making me take QM and econ. I did just take micro and macro econ this last semester (online) so I think I'm going to try and waive out of that and save $500, unless there's a really compelling reason to take it..

The lady I talked to today from the Rita Atkinson housing office said that some students just park on Gilman since it's a "public street" and therefore don't have to pay for parking I guess. It seems a little too good to be true though. She said that to Gilman where people would generally park it's only a 10-15 minute walk. But the Revelle parking lot is the same distance away where we otherwise would park if we buy a permit. So something doesn't quite make sense I feel like.

Also got offered a space at Rita Atkinson, so I definitely took them up on that and turned down One Miramar. Seaking, are you planning to bring a car? Although Rita Atkinson is cheaper and furnished, I'm planning at this point in bringing a car and its $81 a month for on campus, which would make it about $40 bucks more per month overall since for One Miramar or Mesa, it's included. Trying to think of ways around having to pay that per month haha.