m-ttl

Implying women appear less authoritative when they are wearing dresses is internalized misogyny. I am not telling you you are a misogynist. It is not personal, and has nothing to do with being rude. It is simply a mindset which has been taught to people which is misogynistic in nature. You think a thing because that was the way you were socialized to think, and that thing is a product of misogyny in our society. It does not mean I am being accusatory or rude by pointing this out. If I am wrong in pointing out women are often more prevalent in "less respected/rigorous" parts of different fields because they are often "guided" there/to subfields that are more "feminine/emotional", that is fair. But I'm not trying to be nasty, I'm merely pointing out why you think what you do, and why you would say something like that. It has nothing to do with what I think of your personal character, and everything to do with how we as a society as socialized and internalize harmful stereotypes and ideas about authority and power.

That "something about it" is called misogyny. Just a heads up. The problem everyone is trying to name here is misogyny. Why are there "traditionally female areas"? Because misogyny has forced women into the less respected aspects of any field. Why are old white men gate keepers? misogyny. Why does a classroom full of male students immediately disregard a woman's experience and expertise because she has breasts and they want to treat her like an object? Misogyny. Why are "dresses" less authoritative than suits, and why are women belittled and mocked for wearing pantsuits in an effort to combat this? misogyny. And when you, as a woman, assume these ideas and agree with them it is internalized misogyny, but still misogyny. The very assumptions made in this thread are directly aggressive towards women simply for being women-- it should come as no surprise why any intellectual woman might want to avoid this.

It's not shocking at all, actually. Those who are privileged by their positions in society (i.e. Straight white men in this case, the majority of tenured professors you're talking about) rarely seriously question or attempt to dismantle their privileges. The kind of "questioning" you're discussing is more the work of social sciences, certainly sociology, LGBTQ or Gender studies, as well as different tracks of ethnicity-based studies. I'm going to make a guess and say that's not the case. Or rather, the hostility itself would be fine, it's the gendered hostility that is likely a turn off to female philosophy students. For example, my upper-level classes in art history are mostly women, especially classes which discuss nudity, the body, etc. Art history has only recently made the shift to be inclusive of women in the field (my female professors had male professors in their PhD programs assuming they were not cut out to do their work because they were women), and this has benefitted the field as a whole greatly. However, this semester, one of my seminar classes is comprised of about 10 women and 1 man, plus our female professor who is quite well respected. And immediately he began to make gendered (and microaggressive) comments. He joked we would all be a "handful, if we were being honest with ourselves", he made unnecessary comments about typical "feminine" research topics being "fought over" [because all girls want to research 'girly' things, right? And we're "all" apparently catty about it, to boot], he was rude when one of us explained she turned down a chance to go to Paris, demanding to know "What young woman would do that?" -- her explanation? She was in Cairo, participating in the revolution. He continued to talk down to her as if she was a ditz. Every time he opened his mouth to say something, it was backhandedly demeaning. This man isn't every male student I've run into in art history, but he's not unusual either. He's not an odd one of the bunch. I'm not unfamiliar with direct and blunt criticisms in my field, and I doubt female phil students are either. But there is a large difference between respectful dialogue between peers who are treated as equals, and using "tearing down arguments" in partnership with subtly sexist rhetoric which implies women aren't on the same level as their male scholarly counterparts. More than anyone else, I would say women (and especially WOC) are used to aggressive and demeaning language, even if the aggressions are subtle or micro-aggressive. I have no doubt that women are used to receiving this kind of language, because it is so common regardless of the field -- but if the field is built upon an already aggressive method of thinking, in addition to being backed by remaining "old boys clubs", and has a mostly male distribution, you will be hard pressed to find that women are going to be attracted to additional resistance to their presence in the classroom.

Mine (for Williams) doesn't It just has a submitted green checkmark, so I assume I'm okay. My TOEFL problem was because I was born abroad and haven't officially received my US degree (BA). Buuuut...I'm a US citizen, and grew up here. My native language is English, and I did school in the US k-12 and all four years of college. Even the schooling I had in another country (not the one I was born in) was completely done in English. I started before US schooling begins so I just repeated kindergarten. :/ I don't think I have this problem with anyone/where else. But I guess I'd better start checking just to make sure. *sigh* (It doesn't look like a problem anywhere else...) On the bright side I had a really great dream I was accepted to a program and at least no one's heard back from any place I've applied...

Did you only apply to the one? And I've always been curious about your book, but...why would they ask you if you wrote it yourself?? Isn't it obvious...?

Do you have other professors you're interested in? I would be far more concerned with the fact that your POI has tenure to worry about. If they're denied tenure, then what are you going to do?

I had a school say they highly preferred an in-person interview but then admitted they only gave applicants two weeks notice to book a flight (for me, across the country!) and expected us to pay for it (for an MA program.) ...if they ask me for an interview, I'm going to skype them. That's easily $1,000 in travel expenses, not counting food. I don't have that kind of money lying around for a maybe at a two year program. If it was a PhD, I might try to make it work.

I emailed the school I had the TOEFL issue with (it was because I was born outside the US...) buuut while I got a reply saying I was fine, the applicant log-in still reads my application as incomplete. Ugh. I'll check again tomorrow (I emailed 5 days ago) and then maybe bug them nicely again. :/ On the bright side, a professor told me I should speak with the someone who is organizing a panel for a regional conference that will be held at my undergrad school this fall. I'm researching a part of the collection the panel is going to be on, so my work would fit right in, I would just have to fly home from where ever I end up for a weekend. She says I should present(!) and I'm very pleased. It would even give me something to do if I happen to strike out this round, haha. I'm glad classes started today, otherwise I might be driving myself nuts.

An MA in Museum Studies could easily lend to registrar/collections work, education, event planning, fundraising/grant writing, etc. This is not strictly "studying art" but then, most museum jobs are not strictly that to begin with. At any rate, I wouldn't bank on a curatorial job with only an MA (despite having interned under a curator who only had an MA), but certainly other jobs exist (having interned under an educator with only an MA). It just takes awhile to get these jobs, no matter who you are.

I think it really depends on what you want to do. Do you want to be a professor? Then you need a PhD. But to work in a museum, a museum studies or art history MA could suffice as long as you're not aiming for head of a curatorial dept.

You might want to start with this information, with a short lead in about what you want to study. Beginning: WHAT you want to study, WHY you want to study. Then talk about this: WHAT you have already learned, WHERE you learned (jobs, school etc), HOW are you prepared for this program? and then end with WHY this school is a good match. I'll let someone else edit the grammar content and so on -- it needs a strong editing and I don't have time to help at the moment, but I think the entire beginning -- about your childhood (absolutely no one would want to read beyond that) or your time in HS -- is not useful for your SOP. Get rid of the excess first, use it to talk about what you want to research, your experience, why you want to research it, why the school is an excellent fit, etc. Then go back and edit it grammatically. IMO, a SOP reads best with beginning with your research and your reasons for it (like I restructured here), which immediately lets people know what you want to do in Graduate school. Then you can explain who you might be interested in working with, or the program's benefits, then explain your college background/career background and then wrap it up with stuff that hammers home why you want to get into that program.

You know this isn't really an undergrad homework help forum, right? Sorry, but the actual work of finding, making, and researching comparisons should be your own. Go check out books and resources on Baroque art like all of the rest of us would do. You don't seem to have trouble with this, so why are you asking us to do more work for you? This is part of taking an art history class. You have to do this work yourself.

Nope, just a february deadline! It's for an MA.

...Everyone had radios. Still wouldn't help people solve the messages Comanche code talkers were passing. Perhaps for the best: All that aside, I only have one more application to complete. Finally! It's already done, I just don't want to submit it until I get back to my campus.

Please. If STEM folks have a time machine, don't you think they're also be able to supply us with armor that could fend off less effective weaponry? We have bullet proof vests -- I'm pretty sure I'd be safe against quite a few things. And if we get hurt, just go back to the present to fix it. The wonders of modern medicine and all that Which does remind me of a totally cheesy show that used to be on? I think it was about people who got stranded somewhere vaguely in the past but I felt like it was in some kind of jungle and everyone lived in this tree house? I think it was The Lost World, maybe. I was really young, haha. Six apps down, 1 to go. Congrats to Loric for getting birthday wishes, though.

I have to say if they've got a time machine Grad school apps are low on my list of things to see. ....Tacky multi-colored originals of statues in Greece and Rome, anyone? Or the Dunhuang Caves in full glory... The Sphinx with its nose still attached? I think as soon as Monday hits (when my last semester starts) I'll be too busy to stress nearly as much. I have two jobs, which should help incredibly with distractions. As for TV shows...I spent all of finals week re-watching Elementary and Sleepy Hollow. I also enjoy a good Kdrama, so if you like historical dramas, those might be a good place to start? I love watching TV as a distraction, although unless you speak Korean you'd probably have to pay more attention to it. (Might be a good thing?). ...and....second to last app is due today. Totally not sure I want to apply anymore, but I guess I might as well. All the work besides submission is already done.

It was intentional, yes. My ex-roommate's sister often struggled with the fact that she wasn't book smart like her younger sister was -- but she had immense technical skills as a chef. Her time in culinary school was where she excelled, and even if I can cook, I don't have the makings of a professional chef! Neither does her sister, who was always in awe of those abilities. It reminds me of a joke-phrase I started among friends back during the Beijing olympics in 2008... I would watch the teenaged girls in gymnastics, and joke that I hadn't done much with my life: "...all this, and I'm not even an Olympian!" But it's silly to compare myself to Olympians because I'm not even an athlete. And that's precisely the point, we can be intelligent in a multitude of ways, and be accomplished in many others but to someone else, we just won't be on the same level. And whatever happened to the STEM folk propagating the adage "correlation doesn't equal causation"? IQ doesn't dictate what you study, and what you study doesn't dictate IQ.

The general GRE list hasn't given me anything from Art History programs that I'm applying to, and I haven't been home in ages. My apartment is shared with three other students, and we all share one mailbox ( ) so I left my mail key with my roommate since hers doesn't work and haven't checked it all winter break. I also don't expect to start hearing back from anywhere until mid-late feb? Do your schools not specify that you'll receive an admissions decision online first, Loric? I feel like I won't bother waiting for a "letter". That kind of waiting was painful enough with undergraduate admissions.

A graduate degree itself isn't even a measure of intelligence, it's a measure of expertise in your field. Knowledge of one field doesn't make you more or less smart. Are we coming at this from the view that there are not different types of intelligence? I'm abysmal at chemistry. But that's not my field of interest, that's not what I'm good at, and frankly, if I attempted to be a chemist I would look rather unintelligent. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would attempt to align themselves with subjects they're not exceeding at. There are also people who simply think differently. I think visually and verbally, I have "a good eye". I enjoy Art History because I'm good at it, and because it is highly complimentary to my intellect. I'm not very good at quant based intellect at all, and by someone else's measure, I wouldn't be very smart. All that to say: I would disdain any measure of "IQ" that only tests one or two indicators of intelligence, that disregards or demeans emotional/empathic/interpersonal intelligences which are valuable skills, and that...coincidentally puts fields most often associated with women at the bottom rungs of intelligence, because it devalues emotional intelligence -- which has often been associated (however incorrectly) with women and inferiority. I don't find educators or child development specialists stupid across the board. What concerns me is when their undergrad GPA minimum is a 2.5 (as it is at my school for Education). ...and a measure of intelligence based off of the GRE? Why bother?

No, but I wish you lots of luck! That feels really early to me. I feel like if I got any responses in February (early feb.) I would be caught off guard.

I think if you can afford it, then you could easily work part time and do a part-time internship. I think there's plenty of curatorial internships you can get without an MA...you just won't get paid. And they might not be highly prestigious. But if there's a local art museum that has what you want there might be chances for you to study that there...or you can work in a museum for something else and then study your subject of focus on your own?

I don't know anything about Courtauld, but maybe try checking the results page to get an idea of the timeline? I got my TOEFL problem fixed. It was triggered because I was born abroad.

No problem!! It took me a while to find it because it's weirdly not attached to the rest of the application.... I really don't like the way they arranged things.

Should be right here! https://grad.admissions.rutgers.edu/CredentialUpload/Applicant/Login.aspx I applied, but I had an error with the LORs. No word back from Rutgers, of course, even though I emailed awhile ago.

Are you pro- or anti-waffle? I think my freshman year of college I discovered the school hand mixed waffle batter and I made myself belgian waffles with chocolate chips and strawberries fresh most mornings. Mmmm. Has anyone ever had um..。 I think they're called Hong dou bing in Chinese? 红豆饼 They're like sweet pancake-cakes filled with red bean (or cream). I love these for breakfast...they make them at the local Asian grocer's bakery fresh.