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  1. I presume it is a visiting 1 or 2-year appointment. Visiting lectures generally don't pay a great deal, often require you (and your family) to move across country, and are short-term.
  2. A poignant reflection: http://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2014/03/10/essay-about-inability-find-tenure-track-job-academe
  3. A poignant reflection: http://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2014/03/10/essay-about-inability-find-tenure-track-job-academe
  4. A poignant reflection: http://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2014/03/10/essay-about-inability-find-tenure-track-job-academe
  5. "I mean, I've lost the point of your argument." 1) the job market in the humanities is terrible - find specific data in your subfield and for your institution, 2) getting a tt-job often involves a PhD + several more years in a precarious position and even then may not lead to a job, 3) with concrete knowledge about your subfield and your options, consider the trade-offs that you are making. In response to (3), many commentators, including yourself, suggested that the job prospects of a PhD aren't much different than the job prospects of the job market as a whole. But such overly binar
  6. "I really do have to look askance at a person who throws his (or her) hands up at this whole thing. There are no jobs for PhDs. No jobs for people who don't go to Harvard. 30 is old. Five years is an unrecoverable loss. No one outside of academia will hire a PhD except for private boarding schools. If only I'd gone to law school." You have a persistent problem exaggerating what I am saying so as to make my points absurd and give yourself a self-righteousness high. I said none of those things.
  7. I totally agree, ComeBackZinc. I am not suggestion that a JD or an MBA per se is safer than a PhD. It all depends on a lot of factors. But the job outlook of a Harvard JD or MBA is world’s better than the job outlook of many Harvard PhDs. Here are Yale Law statistics. Note that “Judicial Clerkships,” which employ 41% of students, are generally very prestigious positions (esp. the ones Yale law students get) that make them even more competitive for highly sought jobs. http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdoprospectivestudents2012employstats.htm Here is an article from 2011 – when
  8. 1. No I didn't assume you can't launch a career after getting a PhD. 2. Yes, getting older and having a PhD does shut yourself out of careers. And the older you are when you graduate, the more likely you are to face obstacles in getting into certain careers. 3. You may or may not recover the money you could have made in those 5 (??) years. But compound interest means money you save in your twenties produces more substantially more savings when you retire than money you make, say, in your thirties. Even if you save the same amount of money in your thirties as you would have in your
  9. "Not to mention, you can have the grades and the acumen to get into both the Harvard PhD and the Yale JD, but you might not have the skills necessary to perform in one or both of the jobs that follow from those degrees." Yeah, I totally agree. And so? Also, the job prospects of JDs from elite institutions is worlds different than the job prospects of humanities PhDs from elite institutions. (And so is the career compensation, unless you go into public service law. $150K of debt is frankly not that much in the career of a corporate lawyer.)
  10. For all those who know the odds and have decided to get a PhD: great! I am really happy I am getting my PhD, and I am happy for those of you who are or will do likewise. There is much to recommend this path, and I hope those of you who are choosing between programs are enjoying the thought of starting an incredible intellectual journey. "You really have to conceptualize the academic job market as a very high-risk venture, much like landing a job as an associate at a top law firm . You have to understand that you're going to have to apply multiple times, multiple years, and perhaps take un
  11. TDazzle - You claim its not about your anxiety--but your carttons and words (you've spent "countless hours" preparing, your family has badgered you everyday, you've put so much time into a MFA, people have told you literature won't put food on the table--you've led a rough life!) tells us otherwise. If this isn't useful info to you, then move on. Furthermore, rather than reducing conversation to snark and cartoons, perhaps you can actually engage in conversation. My point is neither that you should or shouldn't get a PhD. Nor is it that books don't put food on the table. It is tha
  12. Applying to a PhD program is not making a decision to go. I know several people who have gotten into programs and have decided not to go into them. The suggestion that I should have either warned people in Novemember or not at all is, I think, a bizarre one. Yes, it would be excellent to warn people then rather than now. But that doesn't mean it is wrong to warn people now--which is when, after all, the idea occurred to me. Furthermore, some people are going to be better informed than others -- someone who has 459 posts on here, for instance, hopefully already knows what they are gett
  13. Kamisha - I'm close with several students choosing between PhD programs at this very moment and in talking with them have gotten the sense that applicants do not have a fully realistic picture of what the job market is like--nor do many admitting programs provide that data for them. I'm also an interested observer of the job market as I prepare to go on it in the fall. Also, I have a lot of friends who have gone through the job market--some of whom have been spectacularly successful, some who are fighting to get by. Many of them felt that they had little knowledge about the job market when
  14. p.s. if you want to get a sense of what the job market is today, here is where most US jobs get posted: http://academicjobs.wikia.com/wiki/English_Literature_2013-14 Keep in mind that some subfields will have much bigger applicant pools than others.
  15. p.s. if you want to see what the job market looks like today--and what jobs you could have applied to--here is where most US jobs get listed: http://academicjobs.wikia.com/wiki/History_2013-14 When you look at these postings, you need to keep in mind how large your subfield is, i.e. how many people who are likely to be applying for any given job. For tiny subfields, a few job posting coud give everyone in that subfield a pretty good shot. In the largest fields like US history, however, a job can easily get 300+ applications...
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