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The U of T as a whole is prestigious though. It's the top uni in Canada, and is ranked #16 this year by times higher education for reputation, LSE is below.

From employers that I've spoken to, they would prefer a 2 year degree at the U of T over a 1 year masters from the UK, even if it were from Oxbridge. Employers that I asked were a couple NGOs in DC and 1 US federal government agency. $0.02.

Not really, the video I referenced discusses the obvious social and cultural differences between Montreal and Toronto in terms of dating and openness. I don't know how it's degrading or disrespectful to recognize that. Regardless, you're obviously offended by the opinions of others, which probably going by statistics and research on casual sex encounters, is relatively true when compared to other cultures. That is, casual sexual encounters may be more common in Montreal than San Diego, for example. It's a cultural phenomenon, and frankly the only way I could see you being offended is if you look at women/men as property. #feminism.

A lot of 20-30 year olds (the typical age range for grad students) are currently looking for a partner and/or dating culture. Asking or bringing up how 'easy' hooking up is, or getting to know someone, is a totally appropriate topic. We're not 12 years old here, we're all mature and can handle that kind of discussion. Btw, the US jock/sorority culture thing absolutely sucks. Leads people to lying about their personas. I've found Canada to be much more open to who you are as an individual. Bro culture sucks.

Yeah then in that case, nyu

If you're from states, I'd go with mcgill. Looks "different" on resume...but yeah your social life will plummet if you require a part time job. Tough one.

In my point of view, talking about culture in this way is totally appropriate and fine. Here's a YouTube video on this...

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McGill has a stronger rep in Europe and the US though because it recruits there, UBC recruits less so. He's just going for an MA, not a PhD, so rankings matter less so. McGill econ is still strong. Yeah it's not so cut and dry, but I personally would weigh towards Montreal.

^^ yes yes yes too all! One additional thing...and this may just be a departmental thing, but what I found in the institute for management and innovation, was that all the professors, students, and staff were exceptionally friendly and nice. I visited there for an open house, and it oddly/weirdly felt like a family - a family I was applying into. I've been to a lot of open houses, but this one was just an outlier, in a good way. On top of that, everyone was so damn positive about everything. Being from the states, you dont get that at all. So then i did some more research into it, and I found out that a lot of departments at the U of T are like this (I have a lot of friends at UBC and U of T, and a lot of my faculty from my US school came from both schools as well, weirdly, none from McGill). No joke, all the academics Ive met from Canada live up to Canada's reputation as being supremely friendly. But it's not a 'southern' friendliness...that can come across as fake very easily. It's a friendliness that yearns to get to know who you are at your core. As an American, I just want to give all of Canada big hug. With all this in respect, I've noticed that Munk follows this trend. Everyone from Munk is supremely confident, yet supremely friendly and open. It makes for a school that is on top of their game, yet great to go out and grab a beer with. Lastly, the marketing of the Munk school is so awesome. From the graphic design, to the websites, to the research reports, to the damn architecture of the school. Makes Munk stand out completely as the #1 place to be for Canadian international business, relations, law, science, etc. All of this combined with outstanding funding (and the U of T is now experiencing 14% gains in their $1.88 billion endowment annually), I'd further support how big of a deal an MGA investment is. Btw, I've already started 1 non profit myself, but Im planning to create a consulting startup out of my masters. I'm planning on hiring 3-5 top Munk guys for this.

So I actually think that risk/reward thing is only relevant when considering what the majority of peeps who apply into the program expect. Am I wrong to assume that the majority of IA peeps want to work in the public sector? NGOs, foreign affairs ministries, government, government consulting? Right? Stop! Munk is different here guys! You can take classes in Rotman, the Law school, and engineering even if you wanted. The MGA is a one of a kind degree that can't be found elsewhere. Why? Because it's not just for diplomats! It's for peeps who want to work for Goldman Sachs, or the WTO, or the World Bank, or for McKinsey or BCG. Munk is something more, something bigger. And with this larger, more diverse sect, your earnings potential increases a lot. Working for an NGO? You'll earn shit. But working for McKinsey? You are in a special place to do that. That's why I chose the sustainability management degree at Toronto. It's an MBA with a science twist. It's interdisciplinary and I can go Into any organization and help them on sustainability. Literally anything, from coca cola, to spacex, to Tesla to the USDA, to the embassy in Tokyo. My earnings potential (thanks to climate change) is averaged between $85,000-$180 on a 25-75% scale, yes I had my experience and this degree analyzed by a company and those are the figures they gave me. My personal degree will be $25,000 CDN which is only $20,000 in USD, but munk is not that expensive! Comparatively speaking, if you went to Harvard Kennedy School, it'd cost you $45x2 = 90. Columbia, Princeton, Berkeley, Johns Hopkins, all the same thing. At Munk, you're getting an absolute STEAL. Why? Because U of T is higher ranked than Penn. Higher ranked than Johns Hopkins. Higher ranked than NYU, Northwestern, Carnegie, Brown, mcgill, LSE, and other top tier schools. If it were me, it'd send my deposit asap. But I'd rather prefer sustainability management, more growth opportunities in the field and I get to make a difference and a more specific level. But don't shoot down Munk, I really respect those students and this is coming from an American!!

Personally from the US, and chose U of T over UCL. A 2 year program is also a lot more worth it, for the same price as a 1 year program in the UK. I've heard than LSE is really hands off and the masters programs are just cash cows, you get a max of 15 hours per week with your professors and do nothing but study in a library. Very impersonal. The department of geography is composed of 300 masters students. It's insane. UCL Is great with teaching and one on one research. But the facilities basically suck and the reputation doesn't transcend quite well to North America. Munk however gives you a very personal hands on learning experience, and the people in the program are outstanding (meeting ambassadors, diplomats, business tycoons, etc.) the munk facility is quite gorgeous and you get a high level of prestige in an already prestigious institution. I wish I could dual with a masters in sustainability management and global affairs but I'm gonna take a couple munk classes for fun. Also one more mote, munk is young and is not comparable to Carleton, YET. But over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if munk garners a similar reputation as Cornell's IA school. Perhaps not HKS or Columbia's, but definitely up there. The school had the funding a resources to make it big. Heck it's already big after only 12-15 years!

Yeah, ubc is a great school too, but mcgill has a better reputation in the states. Not wanting to go into academia, I'd say mcgill. Wonderful school, wonderful people! It's on par with cornell, nyu, northwestern, Carnegie, Brown, Michigan, and ucl I'd say. Good luck!

Yeah, ubc is a great school too, but mcgill has a better reputation in the states. Not wanting to go into academia, I'd say mcgill. Wonderful school, wonderful people! It's on par with cornell, nyu, northwestern, Carnegie, Brown, Michigan, and ucl I'd say. Good luck!

I'd go with mcgill on this one. Congrats on two very fine acceptances!

Let's do some math, shall we? U of T has only 607 U.S. students currently. 20% of those are grad students (let's assume they're all PhDs, for fun!). That's 120 total PhDs. Divided by 4 is only 30 U.S. PhDs who graduate from the entire university each year. And yet, you find U of T PhD alumni across the top universities in the U.S. Your argument is just from the demand side, but you're also not evaluating what the supply side is.

I'm from Boston, MA, the heart of American academia AND progressivism. Canada is highly regarded for both of these things in the motherland .

From Rotman business school... -MIT Sloan -INSEAD -LBS -UVa -USC -Berkeley Haas -NYU Stern -Duke -Northwestern Kellogg -URochester -Imperial College London http://www.rotman.utoronto.ca/Degrees/PhD/Careers/RecentGraduates.aspx Yeah..I'd say that's good placement.

PhDs in English from Toronto... '13-'14 TT: -Chicago -Marquette -Michigan -Other Canadian schools... http://www.english.utoronto.ca/grad/placement.htm

My question, do you have any definitive proof they're not? Another anecdote... U of Washington Dept. of Geography (one of the top Geography programs in the country) - 4 Canadians http://depts.washington.edu/geog/faculty/

"UIUC is a top 10 engineering program. I am willing to bet any money that they are placing their graduates at much better universities than any university in Canada. Of course, the data isn't available..." OK dude, you admit you have no data, yet you will put down any $ amount (Let's say $1 billion just for fun, hey we're playing by your rules!) not a single Canadian school sends out its PhDs to top schools at a rate similar to Illinois. Okay everyone, send the children of the earth to the USA!! *Does constant USA chants*

If you want to go from your own personal anecdote, I'll go off mine. The president of my uni is a U of T PhD and MSc. My own department is 30%+ Canadian PhDs/Msc's as well! You surmised that less than 1% of Canadian PhDs get US placements. You basically pulled that out of your...can you guess it? You have 0 credibility.

I'm not touchy about this, you stated you found 4 total TTs on that economics list, and now you're correcting yourself with 6 after I've pointed it out. (Btw I counted 10 without extensively going through the list). Outside of just American schools, I see top tier research universities from China (Peking), Australia (ANU + U of S), Singapore (NSU), and the UK (LSE). I'm simply questioning your own objectivity and obvious bias against going to a perfectly good school outside the United States. While the US offers outstanding education, I'd argue that a PhD from U of T or UWaterloo is at least equal, if not completely better, than an Illinois PhD when it comes to job opportunities. As for McGill engineering, yes, Illinois is miles ahead, McGill is known for its humanities.

Dude I was just looking at the U of T list for economics... I see Australian National University, University of Chicago, Yale, Carnegie Mellon, UCLA, UC Davis, Berkeley, George Washington U, University of Sydney, National University of Singapore, Temple University, Duke University, London School of Economics, University of Bonn, West Virginia University, and Arizona State after looking at it for 1 minute flat. I've also noticed that the majority of the students are Asian, meaning the majority will go back to their home nations, and yet we still have an incredible list of institutions here based in Australia, US, Canada, and UK. Are you talking out of your ass or what?