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Hopeful2022 reacted to a post in a topic:
Fall 2022 Business Ph.D. Applicants
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Sure - being told to revise and resubmit isn't bad, considering most papers wind up being rejected, and only a minority are accepted on first try. So given that, I suppose someone could subjectively consider one working paper to be more impactful than another working paper, especially if they've seen the person present on it on conferences or if they feel it will be important for the development of one's own field. But I think a published paper with lots of citations is always going to be considered to be objectively impactful, and will beat out a working paper, I'd assume. And generally a paper that is published is better than a working paper, but I guess I could imagine exceptions if a paper is published in a more lowly regarded journal and doesn't have many citations, but a working paper is in being actively edited for likely publication in a more highly regarded journal. I'm largely speculating on how this would work, but this is what I would expect anyhow...
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What does R + R mean in this context?
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I would assume it probably has something to do with how influential it is in future research, with the most common way to quantify that being number of citations.
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I mean, having nuanced/multiple factors that determine people's placement doesn't really make academia any different from any other profession, imo. Every job field has its idiosyncrasies. I'm just trying to learn more about the ins and outs of this one... EDIT: And frankly, part of it is because I just got a (for me) great job offer shortly after applying to PhD programs. So I'm not 100% that I'll be joining a PhD program this year even if I get in, even though it's something I think I'd like to do eventually. If I'm not confident a particular program will lead to better longterm returns than this job, I might try and defer or hold off and try to shoot higher in a future year. Which is absolutely no disrespect to the schools I have been talking to - it's just a matter of the unique position in which I find myself suddenly.
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For sure. If admitted, I will be asking for more detailed data on this, as well as contact info for recent grads. Thanks also for sharing that other paper. This part is interesting, imo: "Differences by gender are greatest for graduates of the most prestigious institutions in computer science and business, where median placement for women graduating from the top 15% of units is 12 to 18% worse than for men from the same institutions." That being said, I've been confused about which ranking system is most reliable for placement purposes when it comes to OB PhD programs. Somewhere I came across a ranking system that was based on the number of publications in management journals per faculty member, so I was using this to choose schools to apply to. But I'm unsure if a different ranking system might be more reliable in terms of job placements post-PhD.
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Hopeful2022 reacted to a post in a topic:
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I feel like I've seen a good number of non-comprehensive lists, but it also sounds like my review of this aspect of schools was not as thorough as yours. While I don't remember every school website I visited, I do know that Boston College, which I've interviewed at, doesn't seem to provide a comprehensive list of placements, and I'm fairly sure it wasn't the only one.
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Yep, that's what I was asking. Thanks! And as far as listing placements comprehensively, I've pretty much only seen the very top schools do that. Most of the R1s don't seem to do it. I agree it likely means the placements aren't as strong overall - but that's why I thought more details could be helpful when it comes to comparing programs as a (current) outsider.
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What I have seen is that not all schools do list comprehensive placements of all their recent grads online. A lot of them list schools past students have been placed into, but without knowing what % of total students that represents it seems pretty open to interpretation. So that's why the idea of the spreadsheet was interesting to me. Is that a resource you've actually seen anywhere though, or are you just talking about it in the abstract?
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Oh to clarify - I think the doc that had been referenced contained specific data about specific graduates from a specific year, across many schools. I just thought it would be interesting to see what happened in a given year in that level of detail, that's all. In what way do you mean that UNC/UMich/UT Austin are exceptions? And how would one go about distinguishing between "major R1s" and "lower R1s"? I'm not sure if maybe this information is common knowledge to people who are already "in the field" in some capacity, but to me it all seems very opaque...
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Sure - and I think for some schools they have more of a regional reputation than a national one, also. Related question, but in a thread from last year I saw someone mention a google doc that shows the relationship between people's school of degree and their school of placement, when it comes to business schools. I haven't been able to find anything like that though. Is that something you've heard about?
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I see. So you mean like "household name" type schools? I guess that's kind of subjective, but when it comes to those, I think Ivy League, MIT, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Berkeley, maybe UChicago. Is that also what you envision?
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Which schools qualify as "name-brand" to you? This is the first time I'm seeing that term used as a category for schools (as opposed to Ivy League, R1, etc.)
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microOB reacted to a post in a topic:
Fall 2022 Business Ph.D. Applicants
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Congrats! And no, because I was interviewing this week as well. I know however that they're having a committee meeting next Monday and may start to reach out to people at some point after that.
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Where does someone find this document?
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Congrats! Part of the reason for my interest in that school, honestly, is that I think North Carolina is gorgeous. But guess it's probably out of reach for me this round. What specialty did you apply for? Also, out of curiosity, any sense of how the reputation of Chapel Hill compares to Boston College when it comes to research?