margarets

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?

"I focused on making friendships first, rather than just asking for help right off the bat, so it didn't look like I was only interested in talking to them to get help with my assignments."

So basically, cultivate friendships with the ultimate aim of getting something for yourself. Ah, true friendship.

That, plus lying to lecturers. Got it.

"You are speaking with them only if you want something from them."

That's purely your assumption, because nothing in my posts indicates that either way. You really have no idea what my interactions have been with these students re: sharing help or any other topic.

Re: my comment about who the "stars" are, you assumed I meant specifically who *I* should ask for help, but actually I was speaking in general terms. Once that emerges, the help-seekers will naturally gravitate towards the more accomplished students. It might turn out that I'm one of the stars. If so, I guess I'll have the option to judge the intentions of my classmates when they ask me for help. (In fact I'll have an opportunity at the next class. There is a student who ALWAYS asks me for help. But she might be a user, so I better watch out. If it's OK for others to rebuff me, then it's OK for me to rebuff them, right?)

I think it's interesting that you mention it's all about how they "perceive my intentions" (i.e. act like I'm not looking for help when really I am) and then you recommend lying to the prof. So basically your advice is: prevarication. Which I suppose is how you managed to "rely heavily" on your classmates. Hm.

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

ktel, I think you've dug yourself into a hole here. In your first response, you tried to redefine the issue so that you could congratulate yourself for your past actions, but you inadvertently revealed your unattractive ethical flexibility.

I think it's fair to assume that since you advocate lying to professors, and lying about your classmates, you are also OK with lying to your classmates (and, no doubt, lying on internet forums, which calls into question everything you've posted here). I'll bet you don't like it when it happens to you though.

And I doubt you would want your current classmates knowing about what you've posted here. That would put an end to your relying on them right quick.

"I focused on making friendships first, rather than just asking for help right off the bat, so it didn't look like I was only interested in talking to them to get help with my assignments."

So basically, cultivate friendships with the ultimate aim of getting something for yourself. Ah, true friendship.

That, plus lying to lecturers. Got it.

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?

"I focused on making friendships first, rather than just asking for help right off the bat, so it didn't look like I was only interested in talking to them to get help with my assignments."

So basically, cultivate friendships with the ultimate aim of getting something for yourself. Ah, true friendship.

That, plus lying to lecturers. Got it.

"You are speaking with them only if you want something from them."

That's purely your assumption, because nothing in my posts indicates that either way. You really have no idea what my interactions have been with these students re: sharing help or any other topic.

Re: my comment about who the "stars" are, you assumed I meant specifically who *I* should ask for help, but actually I was speaking in general terms. Once that emerges, the help-seekers will naturally gravitate towards the more accomplished students. It might turn out that I'm one of the stars. If so, I guess I'll have the option to judge the intentions of my classmates when they ask me for help. (In fact I'll have an opportunity at the next class. There is a student who ALWAYS asks me for help. But she might be a user, so I better watch out. If it's OK for others to rebuff me, then it's OK for me to rebuff them, right?)

I think it's interesting that you mention it's all about how they "perceive my intentions" (i.e. act like I'm not looking for help when really I am) and then you recommend lying to the prof. So basically your advice is: prevarication. Which I suppose is how you managed to "rely heavily" on your classmates. Hm.

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?

"I focused on making friendships first, rather than just asking for help right off the bat, so it didn't look like I was only interested in talking to them to get help with my assignments."

So basically, cultivate friendships with the ultimate aim of getting something for yourself. Ah, true friendship.

That, plus lying to lecturers. Got it.

"I focused on making friendships first, rather than just asking for help right off the bat, so it didn't look like I was only interested in talking to them to get help with my assignments."

So basically, cultivate friendships with the ultimate aim of getting something for yourself. Ah, true friendship.

That, plus lying to lecturers. Got it.

"You are speaking with them only if you want something from them."

That's purely your assumption, because nothing in my posts indicates that either way. You really have no idea what my interactions have been with these students re: sharing help or any other topic.

Re: my comment about who the "stars" are, you assumed I meant specifically who *I* should ask for help, but actually I was speaking in general terms. Once that emerges, the help-seekers will naturally gravitate towards the more accomplished students. It might turn out that I'm one of the stars. If so, I guess I'll have the option to judge the intentions of my classmates when they ask me for help. (In fact I'll have an opportunity at the next class. There is a student who ALWAYS asks me for help. But she might be a user, so I better watch out. If it's OK for others to rebuff me, then it's OK for me to rebuff them, right?)

I think it's interesting that you mention it's all about how they "perceive my intentions" (i.e. act like I'm not looking for help when really I am) and then you recommend lying to the prof. So basically your advice is: prevarication. Which I suppose is how you managed to "rely heavily" on your classmates. Hm.

"You are speaking with them only if you want something from them."

That's purely your assumption, because nothing in my posts indicates that either way. You really have no idea what my interactions have been with these students re: sharing help or any other topic.

Re: my comment about who the "stars" are, you assumed I meant specifically who *I* should ask for help, but actually I was speaking in general terms. Once that emerges, the help-seekers will naturally gravitate towards the more accomplished students. It might turn out that I'm one of the stars. If so, I guess I'll have the option to judge the intentions of my classmates when they ask me for help. (In fact I'll have an opportunity at the next class. There is a student who ALWAYS asks me for help. But she might be a user, so I better watch out. If it's OK for others to rebuff me, then it's OK for me to rebuff them, right?)

I think it's interesting that you mention it's all about how they "perceive my intentions" (i.e. act like I'm not looking for help when really I am) and then you recommend lying to the prof. So basically your advice is: prevarication. Which I suppose is how you managed to "rely heavily" on your classmates. Hm.

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?

You are making all kinds of assumptions about how I have approached my classmates - in particular, that I'm doing it wrong, when I haven't actually said anything about my approach. What I actually asked for was advice on how to deal with the prof who thinks going to other students is an option when it's actually a crap-shoot. Do you have advice for that?

Also, why would you think that people who respond negatively to a direct request would somehow be interested in taking time out of their schedule to meet in a group and give help that way? That's like an hour or two out of their life, when they've already shown a disinclination to give two minutes.

I'm interested in your opinion on this: Let's say I turn out to be one of the stars of the course, and people come to me for help. Should I rebuff those who previously rebuffed me, who are only coming to me now because they know that I have the info? How would you handle that situation?