dramanda Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 And there`s 83.33% odds that you're not the one who didn't get it, ashleyv
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Holy Christ, thank you for posting the Masters CGS competition stats! Now I have a quick question... Of those successful applicants, is it possible that some of them were recommended as "alternates"? My school has a 100% success rate (not including the alternates), and I'm debating whether or not to celebrate.
dramanda Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Of those successful applicants, is it possible that some of them were recommended as "alternates"? My school has a 100% success rate (not including the alternates), and I'm debating whether or not to celebrate. As a follow-up question, does your school/SSHRC generally tell you that you were forwarded as an alternate? I didn't have any such info in either my email from my school or SSHRC, so is no news good news?
virdisun Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 SERIOUSLY?! York was awarded 66, I know their quota is 68 - the odds are OVER 97% stacked in my favour. IF I LOSE, this will be a GREAT SHAME.
dramanda Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 SERIOUSLY?! York was awarded 66, I know their quota is 68 - the odds are OVER 97% stacked in my favour. IF I LOSE, this will be a GREAT SHAME. There are many masters students who didn't even make the A-list. Although I understand that it would be upsetting to not receive it at this point, there are worse things that could happen. ALSO, keep in mind that there will likely be a waiting list. You can't take master's SSHRC to the US, so some students will decline their award.
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 As a follow-up question, does your school/SSHRC generally tell you that you were forwarded as an alternate? I didn't have any such info in either my email from my school or SSHRC, so is no news good news? Here is a condensed version of the email I received from Graduate Studies: "The Awards Committee has reviewed all X applications and, as instructed by SSHRC, selected Y Masters and Z alternates to be forwarded directly to SSHRC for further consideration in this competition... Your application has been forwarded to the SSRHC office in Ottawa for further consideration."
dramanda Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Here is a condensed version of the email I received from Graduate Studies: "The Awards Committee has reviewed all X applications and, as instructed by SSHRC, selected Y Masters and Z alternates to be forwarded directly to SSHRC for further consideration in this competition... Your application has been forwarded to the SSRHC office in Ottawa for further consideration." Interesting. Did you do your undergrad at UofT as well? I applied through UofT for the doctoral level competition, and here's my email. No mention of numbers or alternates.... "Dear Amanda: Your application for a 2009-2010 Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada (SSHRC) Doctoral Award was submitted by your graduate department to the School of Graduate Studies. The School of Graduate Studies Selection Committees have met and reviewed all the applications, and I am pleased to inform you that your application was selected to go forward. The criteria used by the selection committee included the student
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Nope, I did not graduate from Toronto. I don't think there's any strict regulation on how much info Graduate Studies is allowed to pass on. Personally, I would think that if you're recommended as an alternate, that would be included in the notification email.
sylvinka Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Hi Guys. Do you understand why there are stats posted for Master's and PDF 2009-10 only and no PhD stats?
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Hi Guys. Do you understand why there are stats posted for Master's and PDF 2009-10 only and no PhD stats? I assume someone at SSHRC made a goof. The excel table is not available via the normal page (i.e. competition results) and I can't imagine why they would release the stats before the actual results. Maybe it's an attempt to make amends for the ridiculously long delay?
dramanda Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 I assume someone at SSHRC made a goof. The excel table is not available via the normal page (i.e. competition results) and I can't imagine why they would release the stats before the actual results. Maybe it's an attempt to make amends for the ridiculously long delay? From what I understand, the "Competition Results" table gets posted loooong after recipients are notified. It's not that odd that the stats would be available beforehand.
thepoorstockinger Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Hi Guys. Do you understand why there are stats posted for Master's and PDF 2009-10 only and no PhD stats? I also assume that this is a mistake since there isn't actually a link for it anywhere, just fishing for URLs produces the excel file. I wouldn't be shocked if it was taken down soon.
dramanda Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 I also assume that this is a mistake since there isn't actually a link for it anywhere, just fishing for URLs produces the excel file. I wouldn't be shocked if it was taken down soon. There's definitely a link for it: http://www.sshrc.ca/site/winning-recher ... x-eng.aspx Scroll down to Master's Scholarships, and you'll see 2009-2010. Alternatively, click "Winning Research" on the side, then "Program Statistics" then "Statistical Tables".
thepedant Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 I found this on the U of Alberta FGSR website. http://www.gradstudies.ualberta.ca/awar ... 202009.pdf In the second last paragraph it says that the quota for MA SSHRC scholarships for the U of A is 36. The letter as a whole makes it sound as though FGSR would only pass that number of SSHRC MA applications on to SSHRC. On that Master's 2009 statistics table posted a few pages back it says that the U of A has been allotted 40 MA SSHRC scholarships. So this must mean at the least that the U of A forwarded more than 36 applications; but it likely means that most of the applications they forwarded to SSHRC were successful-- or maybe it's just another red herring in the never ending crapshoot that is SSHRC.
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 From what I understand, the "Competition Results" table gets posted loooong after recipients are notified. It's not that odd that the stats would be available beforehand. Yes, but that's not what I meant - I'll attempt to clarify. What I meant to say is this: it doesn't make sense to post the competition statistics until the competition results have been finalized. As I understand it, competition results are not finalized until official notification has been sent to the applicant pool. If SSHRC posted competition statistics before releasing competition results, then they would have it ass-backwards - in my opinion, at least. So, it really has nothing to do with the results being posted, but everything to do with the results being finalized. Given that no other competition statistics have been posted prior to the official results, I think it's reasonable to assume that this was a mistake. Does this make sense? Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
jferreir Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 I found this on the U of Alberta FGSR website. http://www.gradstudies.ualberta.ca/awar ... 202009.pdf In the second last paragraph it says that the quota for MA SSHRC scholarships for the U of A is 36. The letter as a whole makes it sound as though FGSR would only pass that number of SSHRC MA applications on to SSHRC. On that Master's 2009 statistics table posted a few pages back it says that the U of A has been allotted 40 MA SSHRC scholarships. So this must mean at the least that the U of A forwarded more than 36 applications; but it likely means that most of the applications they forwarded to SSHRC were successful-- or maybe it's just another red herring in the never ending crapshoot that is SSHRC. Maybe SSHRC changed their stated quota? Who knows, this whole process is a complete goddamn mystery!
Cree8tiveGyal Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Wooooooooow........well, I've given up thinking about it, but I'm interested in the theories people are coming up with....lol......I think to an extent all grad students should go into CSI-style work.......I mean, we're all trying to solve the big SSHRC mystery, and in the end we could all just end up so, so wrong...... I'm just waiting.......focusing on the massive pile of work ahead...comps, etc....just bury my head and I'll hear when I hear! Good luck everybody!!!!!
eggheaddreams Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 This table gave me SO MUCH anxiety.... I have a question though... For Table #1, is that the number they AWARDED to each institution or just the number of applications each institution SENT in? Looking closely at the title of table #1, it looks like it's *not* necessarily the total number that was awarded to a particular institution. Table #1 says it's "By institution of affiliation at the time of application". What does this mean? Maybe "institution of affiliation" means the university the applicant indicated s/he'd be going to. Probably there are many other possibilities. I'm open to suggestions. Table #2 says "By institution to award". It's ambiguous, for sure, but I suspect that table 2 may be the one that gives us the number awarded to each institution.
dood Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Wow, I was googling SSHRC to try and find out what the heck was going on, and I literally LOL'ed when I stumbled upon this website with a 25 page long thread full of grad students as anxious, nervous, and frustrated as I am! Anywho, Thank you Natalia for finding and posting the statistics and giving us something to obsess over while we wait for the official results. You are the hero of this thread (for us MA students anyways) I noticed that my institution was awarded the same number of sshrcs as the quota of A-list applications that they forwarded to Ottawa. I'm not sure whether to get excited and celebrate or to prepare myself for the stinging disappointment that mine was rejected and the award was given to an "alternate" instead. I guess the drama will never end until the envelopes arrive in our mailboxes.
dood Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Looking closely at the title of table #1, it looks like it's *not* necessarily the total number that was awarded to a particular institution. Table #1 says it's "By institution of affiliation at the time of application". What does this mean? Maybe "institution of affiliation" means the university the applicant indicated s/he'd be going to. Probably there are many other possibilities. I'm open to suggestions. Table #2 says "By institution to award". It's ambiguous, for sure, but I suspect that table 2 may be the one that gives us the number awarded to each institution. Good Observation! There is a contradiction between the numbers in the chart "Institution at time of application" and the chart "institution to award." But I'm assuming some applicants might have applied through one institution and decided to do their MA at another institution i.e. students finishing their honours degrees and applying from the school they are finishing at, but being awarded the grant from a different institution, which they will be doing their MA at. (if that makes any sense) That's how I understand it anyways.
virdisun Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 I found this on the U of Alberta FGSR website. http://www.gradstudies.ualberta.ca/awar ... 202009.pdf In the second last paragraph it says that the quota for MA SSHRC scholarships for the U of A is 36. The letter as a whole makes it sound as though FGSR would only pass that number of SSHRC MA applications on to SSHRC. On that Master's 2009 statistics table posted a few pages back it says that the U of A has been allotted 40 MA SSHRC scholarships. So this must mean at the least that the U of A forwarded more than 36 applications; but it likely means that most of the applications they forwarded to SSHRC were successful-- or maybe it's just another red herring in the never ending crapshoot that is SSHRC. I think you might be misreading the statistics. U of A was awarded 36 SSHRC prizes for students who were "Affiliated with the University at the time of their application" - Because the prizes must be administered through an institution, current U of A students were restricted to the quota you described (obviously it also means that all the A-listed candidates won a prize. The remaining '4' applicants are those who might have applied externally (not through U of A), but would somehow have U of A administer their awards. At least that's how I understand it. Hope it helps and congrats if you were an A list candidate
thepedant Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Oh I see. Good call--the tables are different. If the U of A, for example, knew in advance that their quota was only 36 then presumably they would only submit 36 applications. Maybe the SSHRC table confirms that they were all successful!.. Or not--whatever.
dood Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 The males are getting absolutely SMOKED by the females on this. Look at table 9. A 70/30 ratio in favor of the girls. Not good news for us guys!
natalia Posted April 30, 2009 Posted April 30, 2009 Anywho, Thank you Natalia for finding and posting the statistics and giving us something to obsess over while we wait for the official results. You are the hero of this thread (for us MA students anyways) Hey, you're welcome dood. I honestly didn't think that these stats would matter that much to anyone. My school is super hush-hush on quotas and I have no idea what their numbers look like. I just assumed that SSHRC put up the Master's stats because they don't list how many students applied within their school or how many students were sent out on the A-list. Oh, well. I'm glad that I got to bring excitement/anxiety/crazy into some lives.
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