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Well. I'll second what @rising_star said. This is particularly important if your area is in econ soc. Some econ journals took almost 2 years to reply (WTH). If, ever, you did not get any feedback from the journal by the time you apply. It is better to put the following lines in your CV. MANUSCRIPTS IN REVIEW Joe Doe TITLE, In Review. (You can choose to disclose your submitted journal, but it is likely unprofessional). Better yet, if you get a Revise & Resubmit (R&R), it is really 99% done (most of the times) for sociology journals. In many of the journals I know, if you don't really screw up your revision, you can eventually get your manuscript published! This is a sign of success for your manuscript. In this case, you can certainly reveal the journal name, especially if it is a well-reputed one.

Ahahaha i will keep this posted!

Lurked for a while. No news happened. No news from Princeton as well, checked my spam. Edited: Ahahahaha! Oh it was sent to another email system, Rejected, woohoo! Did not expect at all, so there is no reason to be sad. claim an earlier NYU admits though. <- will be declining it, so finger crossed for the waitlisted friends.

I understood your position. To me, I have done extensive research in my fields of research and I am so reluctant to change. I understand many people change their research interests, partly because they tailored them for their graduate program. I just want to say, I won't. I do sociology research because I **love** my fields. That's my passion. If there is any single higher-ranked program that combine family, social demography, urban and China that well, I would be happy to know.

@gingin6789 Second. ****Hugs**** Sooner or later we will prove it.

Hey @pi515 I appreciate your comments. While there are only 2 out of 42 graduates in Brown ended up in Top 20 TT position immediately upon graduation, I would like to comment that this is only a record of initial placement. It should be noted that even in Harvard, the initial placement for Top 20 TT is only 4 out of ~60. In this way, the rate between Brown and Harvard (top 6) is roughly 5% vs 7% (which is minimal difference). Also following your method looking at the initial placement of Princeton (which is widely accepted as having the best placement rate), their initial TT placement rate for top 20 is only 5 out of roughly 60 (that even includes a soc-joint appointment!), which is 8.5%. That says, the difference in top 20 TT placement rate is only 3.5%! Of course one can argue that 5% vs 8.5% is a 70% increase, however with the sensitiveness of data, the 70% is rather meaningless. P.S. I found someone gave me a bad reputation on my previous post simply because he/she did not "like" my contents. A bad reputation is generally given to an unhelpful answer or malicious content, which is against the community standards of intellectual exchange. It looked like I really broke that person's heart by saying Top 10 placement is not necessarily better. While I really don't care someone pressing that red button under my comments, I would like to say that is exactly an example of how you will see a few of your peers being incapable of communicate well, even at some finest programs in this country. I never want to start a fight, nor I use any offensive words in my comments. Though, I got really annoyed this time.

Many people have posted similar links here. While I appreciate your comments, please note political science is very different from sociology. In fact, Polisci programs are much more homogeneous than sociology. Economic is another example of being very very homogeneous. Indeed one program maybe better on one area than another, but the difference is slim. Also note Polisci only has 4 main areas (American, comparative, theory, IR). Econ only has 9. However, Sociology has 30+. I would disagree with the comments that top program TT position all comes from top 10 position. If you actually look at the placement of UCSB, Yale( you mentioned this), and Brown, you will find their graduates have very good placement records. Interestingly, some very top-ranked programs are having declining placement records. Oh to talk about Yale, remember Yale only admits about 3-5 each year. My program has a cohort of only 5-7 each year. They are not Wisc type of program admitting a large number of students, but their placement are at least not weaker than Wisc average. In sociology, another different aspect is that research area matters much more. I am in the ASA CLD (crime law deviance) section and the ASA job pool emails just pop up every day at least once. Interestingly, very few of the said "top 10" has criminology. So the cited research has very weak applicability in sociology. If such research has been applied to sociology, the research could be highly biased. Worrying whether is a good choice to decline the two top10 offers, I asked four of my very familiar professors in my current institution (which is also top 20), all of them have selected new faculty before and all of them told me it does not matter as much.

I kindly suggest again to the folks here to not being too obsessed about ranking, talk about your interests. I see so many folks here talking about "aha! top 10", "well, top 20/25". It is meaningless unless you have no idea about your research interests. When you are about to graduate, TT positions/job talks will perhaps look at (in order of priority) #1 your publication #2 who is your adviser, #3 your recommendation letter, and maybe well then your program. I received two top-10 offers this year but declined them right away to choose Brown. With my interests in family, social demography, urban soc, China and life course/aging, No place will beat Brown, despite its ranking is a 25. Look, I am not even talking about money.

Ahhhh i need results from Princeton.

I would say try to meet one or two faculty members in your interested programs are especially helpful. I did this during professional meetings (ASA, PAA, ASC). If it not possible, email should also work (though not as effective). This is especially true if your application is not strong all-roundedly (like I do). I am sure this is very helpful, even though many departments said faculty does not pick their own students. Even this is the truth, your POI can still put in a lot of weight in your application. This year, I have frequent email exchanges with at least one professor to each of my six accepted programs so far, except UW (which by accident because my email system was broken). I understand people take this in different stances. Definitely it is up to you to make this network happen or not. My idea is, if you are * really * interested in working with someone, why not? It is not necessary, again. Without any networking I still got into UW, which is very competitive this year, but I still believe networking is very very helpful. For me, I will definitely not work with a professor who does not even bother to reply my email, especially when it is a concise and a professional one. Remember you and your future adviser are more like a colleague (she or he has more seniority) rather than undergradu-ish teacher-student relationship. Mutual respect is important. Oops sorry i got a bit off the tangent.

It seems this kind of words get this cyber space in trouble once again.

I don't know why I said "continuing with the style" was given a bad reputation. Fine, I shut up.

do u guys think Princeton is done

I guess soon I will feel Pennsylvania is a place I wish to leave for so long, but actually when I leave, I will miss quite a lot of things there. ***hand you your favorite drink****

The fact that you crashes into the wall and got some ice for your head revealed you are a real Pennsylvanian. Awful awful weather... This year is good enough though, no reason to complain.