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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW-MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I am actually kinda sceptical of UFT's MSW Indigenous Trauma and Resiliency program. Is it a way to support Indigenous self-determination and decolonize the academy (and social work)? or is it just another way to make a buck in a time of 'truth and reconciliation'? Although there are many references to Indigenous culture in the program description, no where are the words such as "discrimination", "colonialism", or "racism" mentioned. The page is also rich in references to medicalized trauma discourse - wonder if that will reify any racist stereotypes. I wonder if Indigenous professors will be hired in full time permanent positions - as well as the elders. Or, will the resources go to support the 'clinical' whiter mainstream programs.
    I dunno-  I question "clinical" knowledge. It sounds very medical and barely intelligible as social work. It's useful to have a skills set that you integrate into practice with critical thinking; however, in my encounters with UFT MSW grads (especially the 2 year McMSWs),  they just seem to just memorize and spout out psychology concepts ... How impoverished social work education is to directly import psychology! Maybe it might advance your career but I probably because it makes you compatible for an increasingly business-oriented profession that welcomes psychologists, biologists, and even real estate agents over critical thinking and advocacy. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW2MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Clearly, you are a social work n00b (Let me guess, you are an applicant to a 2 year McMSW* program?). Within the social work community, UFT Factor Inwentash school of social work is known to be notoriously white and not very inclusive of many marginalized communities. It is even acknowledged in UFT's most recent self-assessment (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-Self-Study-Final-September-2014.pdf pg. 144). The appendices of this self-assessment report note the overrepresentation of white female social work students:
    The MSW program especially welcomes applications from visible minority groups, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities; however, the desired diversification and similarity to the population of the Greater Toronto area was not evident among the MSW students with whom we met, who were predominantly young white females
    ( http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf, pg 5). 
    The school acknowledges that there is a gap between who they invite to the table and who actually gets to dine.
    But... as soon as I saw a glimmer of critical thinking and reflexivity at UFT's school of social work, I went on to read  the school's insinuation that men are oppressed in social work (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf,; pg 3). [face palm]. 
     
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program.
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    cupcake got a reaction from Dry_Guy in NEW Canadian universities M.S.W thread (2017)   
    It could also be because schools of social work that require students to do research - such as Mac, Ryerson, and York, fund students because of the fact students do research - which, in academic institutions, is a recognized form of currency and work (regardless of what becomes of it). Schools of social work that do not require students to engage in original research, such as Laurier, Windsor, and UFT, typically offer limited funding - reserved to a handful of scholarships.
    That being said, I do think you are onto something about tuition fees being connected to "best placement opportunities". If you go on some of the hospital websites, you will see that they are affiliated with UfT, and that money is involved - which probably comes from tuition fees as the source of university's money making 
     
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW&MD in NEW Canadian universities M.S.W thread (2017)   
    It could also be because schools of social work that require students to do research - such as Mac, Ryerson, and York, fund students because of the fact students do research - which, in academic institutions, is a recognized form of currency and work (regardless of what becomes of it). Schools of social work that do not require students to engage in original research, such as Laurier, Windsor, and UFT, typically offer limited funding - reserved to a handful of scholarships.
    That being said, I do think you are onto something about tuition fees being connected to "best placement opportunities". If you go on some of the hospital websites, you will see that they are affiliated with UfT, and that money is involved - which probably comes from tuition fees as the source of university's money making 
     
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    cupcake got a reaction from phd2msw in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I think you are making an assumption by accusing myself and YWEANG that the information we are posting is irrelevant to applying to MSW. I know many students at Laurier and UFT's MSW programs who are absolutely miserable as these McMSW schools tend to be an oasis for straight, middle class white women and wished that they knew this information. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from sososocialwork in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I think you are making an assumption by accusing myself and YWEANG that the information we are posting is irrelevant to applying to MSW. I know many students at Laurier and UFT's MSW programs who are absolutely miserable as these McMSW schools tend to be an oasis for straight, middle class white women and wished that they knew this information. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I think you are making an assumption by accusing myself and YWEANG that the information we are posting is irrelevant to applying to MSW. I know many students at Laurier and UFT's MSW programs who are absolutely miserable as these McMSW schools tend to be an oasis for straight, middle class white women and wished that they knew this information. 
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    cupcake reacted to Dry_Guy in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program. This statement and above facts all day!
    It is incredibly infuriating to spend 4 years learning about social work theories, practices, tools, critically thinking about the the impacts of neoliberalism on individuals and society, completing practicums, unpacking yours and others sh!t (if you're offended by this statement, you will probably struggle in the program because there is a lot of sh!t you will witness once the topics of white privilege and white supremacy, whiteness are discussed in social work, but i digress)  and then seeing it get lost in a 2 year MSW program. Adding insult to the injury is then those 2 year MSW program graduates go out into the world, often with no strong foundation in social work theories and struggle with the true values of social work (i'm not saying all, but definitely many). If you really are a social worker (undergrad or not) you will not struggle with these concepts as your experience in the field will have made it abundantly clear the numerous ways in which systemic racism and oppression clearly exist in our society and how the system is truly rigged to continues marginalizing those who are most vulnerable. Access to opportunities is a privilege. Hard work is hard work.  You will know the importance of advocacy work and how integral it is the work social workers do. They don't just help people. They are advocates too. It is at the core of the profession. Unfortunately understanding this sometimes takes more than 2 years and for schools such as u of t reminding students of this may not be a part of their agenda. 
     
    I originally asked the question about diversity because i had heard from a handful of MSW graduates from Toronto, who are both people of colour and not people of colour,  and almost all described the campus, institution and education much as Yweang described it as. I had also seen the above statistics when researching the program (albeit difficult to find) and was curious if the questionnaire arose as a way to assist in addressing the issue of lack of diversity in the classroom and research labs.
    I mentioned in an earlier post, but will repeat again here I have also heard many people in the last 2-3  years mention their frustration with these very things and that many graduates discussed these concerns with the administration in their program reviews and  spoke with with program directors, however not much has changed. Reading the MSW message from the dean and the reality at u of t is incredibly ironic......based on the many lived experiences of both white and non-white graduates i have spoken too and heard about. Am hoping for the possibility of changes in the next year...but alas the issue of the The mcMSW degree exists.....
     
    All that being said, thank you for sharing your thoughts everyone. It is much appreciated. The lack of diversity at u of t is a big issue as the school holds a strong monopoly with partnerships in the community and is one of the few 'clinical' school in the province. The lack of diverse opinions, faces and experiences (both white and non-white) impacts the opinions, discussions and critical thinking that takes places and the ways in which interventions are being developed...it's too important to simply dismiss as a 'racist statement against white people'. The issue is far more complex and quite frankly rather insulting to simply call it racist. 
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    cupcake reacted to Dry_Guy in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I'm sorry to hear about your field placement experience. I understand what you mean though about not caring for their pedagogical approach. To be honest, I struggled with applying to an MSW school that aligned with my personal values. Unfortunately, each school it seems is very polarizing. After much thinking, I had to acknowledge a clinical-focus is what I require to advance my career and professional development. Sidenote though: I am often left scratching my head when I see schools of social work teaching clinical practices rooted in the dated medical model. :/ 
    It is my hope after U of T's assessment report, and the introduction of their new Indigenous MSW program they are making some strong steps to adding diverse voices to their student population and educators. 
    Second sidenote: From your experience in these forums, any idea why it's so quiet this year? I'm interested in seeing if applications are down this year. 
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    cupcake reacted to MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Hi, thanks for raising your concern. As the OP of this thread and a similar thread for 2016 MSW applicants, it was my intention to create an information exchange platform for people who are interested in MSW education.  I firmly believe that every forum participant is entitled to freely express their authentic opinions, experiences and values in the context of MSW education.  Understanding the foundational principles of social work disciplines ( such as bio-medical approach vs anti-oppressive practice) is deemed to be critical for  MSW applicants to select a school that is most congruent to their learning objectives as well as their professional commitment. As I indicated earlier, U of T's MSW pedagogical approach and its Eurocentric, Neo-liberal and Elite- feminist institutional culture did not appeal to me at all. Nerveless, without spoke to my racialized friends who graduated from this school, I would not know about this. I was also misinformed that no hospitals in Toronto would give non U of T MSW students placement opportunities, and only found out this was completely false by reading some posts on this forum.  All in all , I highly encourage people, especially those of us who already graduated from MSW, sharing our schooling experiences with new applicants in this profession. I know some people may feel uncomfortable   when their racial/gender/social privileges have been critically challenged, in such case, you may want to attend schools that are focused on clinical teaching only, and may occasionally use " anti- racism" cliche as a narcissistic celebration of their white privileges.      
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    cupcake reacted to sososocialwork in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Longtime lurker here who signed up just to write this. 
    I feel as though this thread is being derailed by discussions about the validity of various social work approaches, particularly one school and their program. I feel as though there are individuals inferring that those of us who are applying to U of T ( or"McMSW" as one other poster has called it) are uninformed or ignorant consumers of the neoliberal academy. Honestly, and I'm speaking for myself here, I'm just an individual trying to move into the career of my choice. Yes I find it important to reflect on my values and the values of the program, but I'm not here to debate these things. I hope we can all be respectful of everyone's choices. Although I appreciate your passion towards your approach to social work, and your concern that some of us are making the wrong choice, I invite those of you who would like to continue this debate about social work and higher education to please move to another thread. This thread is for applicants to help each other, inform one another, and to receive updates. Personally, these discussions are becoming rather toxic and I would like to continue to see this thread being used as intended. 
     
    I just want to connect with other people who are applying to similar programs. We're here to help each other out, not criticize people who choose particular programs. Thanks. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I am actually kinda sceptical of UFT's MSW Indigenous Trauma and Resiliency program. Is it a way to support Indigenous self-determination and decolonize the academy (and social work)? or is it just another way to make a buck in a time of 'truth and reconciliation'? Although there are many references to Indigenous culture in the program description, no where are the words such as "discrimination", "colonialism", or "racism" mentioned. The page is also rich in references to medicalized trauma discourse - wonder if that will reify any racist stereotypes. I wonder if Indigenous professors will be hired in full time permanent positions - as well as the elders. Or, will the resources go to support the 'clinical' whiter mainstream programs.
    I dunno-  I question "clinical" knowledge. It sounds very medical and barely intelligible as social work. It's useful to have a skills set that you integrate into practice with critical thinking; however, in my encounters with UFT MSW grads (especially the 2 year McMSWs),  they just seem to just memorize and spout out psychology concepts ... How impoverished social work education is to directly import psychology! Maybe it might advance your career but I probably because it makes you compatible for an increasingly business-oriented profession that welcomes psychologists, biologists, and even real estate agents over critical thinking and advocacy. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2016 admissions   
    As a master of social work student at York University, I feel compelled to comment on the quoted post. I feel that there are a lot of assumptions in this post that are in contradiction with social work values and demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the profession.
    First of all, I would like to state that, prior to commencing my MSW studies, I was highly suspicious of all two-year MSW programs and saw (and continue to see) them as an outgrowth of the neoliberal academy. I do not think two years of MSW education can adequately capture the rich learning that occurs during the years it takes to complete a BSW and gain practice experience. Through my work experience, I have encountered several graduates of two-year MSW programs and despite holding a higher-level social work degree, they seemed to lack social work knowledge and uncritically accepted medical knowledge (i.e. “clinical” knowledge) as superior to social justice perspectives, which is the heart of social work.
    I was pleasantly challenged by some of the 2-Year MSW cohort at York and found many of these students do share a similar knowledge and value base, such as that which is cultivated at the BSW level. That being said, I find that they tend to be self-conscious about not having enough practice experience and often express that they do not learn “clinical” skills (this word is thrown around a lot to discursively align social work with medicine). The skills discussed in the quoted post are fairly basic and although reviewed at the BSW program, they are acquired through direct practice.I continue to encounter many of the UFT 2 year MSW students and they are hopelessly ignorant and come from erroneous backgrounds (ex. Real estate, Business, Neuroscience, and Psychology). UFT 2 Year MSW students and graduates tend to uphold neoliberal values in their practice and tend to align with medical and business (cost-saving) models rather than social work.

    It's true that York does not have a lot of partnerships as UFT has unfairly made a market. That being said, as I am nearing the end of the MSW program, I find that when I am contacted by employers, they have told me that they were interested because I also hold a BSW and have some experience, and not necessarily because of my practicum or school.
    I do not really have any suggestions to offer. I think that although York University’s Two-Year MSW program fosters a critical foundation for students, many would benefit by completing a BSW first to gain some foundational skills. I don't think UFT's Two-Year MSW program fosters the foundation that a BSW programs would provide and they would benefit from a BSW as well. You also have to wonder about equity issues as well; the Two Year MSW programs at both UFT and York are dominated by white people; this is not the case in the 1 year MSW program at York and Ryerson. I am glad  that York limits the number of 2 Year MSW students they accept; the situation at UFT is quite uncontrolled and this has implications on the social work profession itself as we are flooded by those who think more like real estate agents, entrepreneurs, neuroscientists, and psychologists rather than social workers. 
    By the way, I am curious what program would constitute a “clinical BSW”? All accredited BSWs are regulated by the CASWE and from my conversation with other holders of BSWs, the programs are similar in structure. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from tnt92 in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Clearly, you are a social work n00b (Let me guess, you are an applicant to a 2 year McMSW* program?). Within the social work community, UFT Factor Inwentash school of social work is known to be notoriously white and not very inclusive of many marginalized communities. It is even acknowledged in UFT's most recent self-assessment (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-Self-Study-Final-September-2014.pdf pg. 144). The appendices of this self-assessment report note the overrepresentation of white female social work students:
    The MSW program especially welcomes applications from visible minority groups, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities; however, the desired diversification and similarity to the population of the Greater Toronto area was not evident among the MSW students with whom we met, who were predominantly young white females
    ( http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf, pg 5). 
    The school acknowledges that there is a gap between who they invite to the table and who actually gets to dine.
    But... as soon as I saw a glimmer of critical thinking and reflexivity at UFT's school of social work, I went on to read  the school's insinuation that men are oppressed in social work (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf,; pg 3). [face palm]. 
     
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program.
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    cupcake got a reaction from Dry_Guy in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2016 admissions   
    As a master of social work student at York University, I feel compelled to comment on the quoted post. I feel that there are a lot of assumptions in this post that are in contradiction with social work values and demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the profession.
    First of all, I would like to state that, prior to commencing my MSW studies, I was highly suspicious of all two-year MSW programs and saw (and continue to see) them as an outgrowth of the neoliberal academy. I do not think two years of MSW education can adequately capture the rich learning that occurs during the years it takes to complete a BSW and gain practice experience. Through my work experience, I have encountered several graduates of two-year MSW programs and despite holding a higher-level social work degree, they seemed to lack social work knowledge and uncritically accepted medical knowledge (i.e. “clinical” knowledge) as superior to social justice perspectives, which is the heart of social work.
    I was pleasantly challenged by some of the 2-Year MSW cohort at York and found many of these students do share a similar knowledge and value base, such as that which is cultivated at the BSW level. That being said, I find that they tend to be self-conscious about not having enough practice experience and often express that they do not learn “clinical” skills (this word is thrown around a lot to discursively align social work with medicine). The skills discussed in the quoted post are fairly basic and although reviewed at the BSW program, they are acquired through direct practice.I continue to encounter many of the UFT 2 year MSW students and they are hopelessly ignorant and come from erroneous backgrounds (ex. Real estate, Business, Neuroscience, and Psychology). UFT 2 Year MSW students and graduates tend to uphold neoliberal values in their practice and tend to align with medical and business (cost-saving) models rather than social work.

    It's true that York does not have a lot of partnerships as UFT has unfairly made a market. That being said, as I am nearing the end of the MSW program, I find that when I am contacted by employers, they have told me that they were interested because I also hold a BSW and have some experience, and not necessarily because of my practicum or school.
    I do not really have any suggestions to offer. I think that although York University’s Two-Year MSW program fosters a critical foundation for students, many would benefit by completing a BSW first to gain some foundational skills. I don't think UFT's Two-Year MSW program fosters the foundation that a BSW programs would provide and they would benefit from a BSW as well. You also have to wonder about equity issues as well; the Two Year MSW programs at both UFT and York are dominated by white people; this is not the case in the 1 year MSW program at York and Ryerson. I am glad  that York limits the number of 2 Year MSW students they accept; the situation at UFT is quite uncontrolled and this has implications on the social work profession itself as we are flooded by those who think more like real estate agents, entrepreneurs, neuroscientists, and psychologists rather than social workers. 
    By the way, I am curious what program would constitute a “clinical BSW”? All accredited BSWs are regulated by the CASWE and from my conversation with other holders of BSWs, the programs are similar in structure. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from Dry_Guy in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Clearly, you are a social work n00b (Let me guess, you are an applicant to a 2 year McMSW* program?). Within the social work community, UFT Factor Inwentash school of social work is known to be notoriously white and not very inclusive of many marginalized communities. It is even acknowledged in UFT's most recent self-assessment (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-Self-Study-Final-September-2014.pdf pg. 144). The appendices of this self-assessment report note the overrepresentation of white female social work students:
    The MSW program especially welcomes applications from visible minority groups, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities; however, the desired diversification and similarity to the population of the Greater Toronto area was not evident among the MSW students with whom we met, who were predominantly young white females
    ( http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf, pg 5). 
    The school acknowledges that there is a gap between who they invite to the table and who actually gets to dine.
    But... as soon as I saw a glimmer of critical thinking and reflexivity at UFT's school of social work, I went on to read  the school's insinuation that men are oppressed in social work (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf,; pg 3). [face palm]. 
     
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program.
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    cupcake got a reaction from MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Clearly, you are a social work n00b (Let me guess, you are an applicant to a 2 year McMSW* program?). Within the social work community, UFT Factor Inwentash school of social work is known to be notoriously white and not very inclusive of many marginalized communities. It is even acknowledged in UFT's most recent self-assessment (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-Self-Study-Final-September-2014.pdf pg. 144). The appendices of this self-assessment report note the overrepresentation of white female social work students:
    The MSW program especially welcomes applications from visible minority groups, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities; however, the desired diversification and similarity to the population of the Greater Toronto area was not evident among the MSW students with whom we met, who were predominantly young white females
    ( http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf, pg 5). 
    The school acknowledges that there is a gap between who they invite to the table and who actually gets to dine.
    But... as soon as I saw a glimmer of critical thinking and reflexivity at UFT's school of social work, I went on to read  the school's insinuation that men are oppressed in social work (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf,; pg 3). [face palm]. 
     
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program.
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    cupcake got a reaction from .letmeinplz// in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Clearly, you are a social work n00b (Let me guess, you are an applicant to a 2 year McMSW* program?). Within the social work community, UFT Factor Inwentash school of social work is known to be notoriously white and not very inclusive of many marginalized communities. It is even acknowledged in UFT's most recent self-assessment (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-Self-Study-Final-September-2014.pdf pg. 144). The appendices of this self-assessment report note the overrepresentation of white female social work students:
    The MSW program especially welcomes applications from visible minority groups, Aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities; however, the desired diversification and similarity to the population of the Greater Toronto area was not evident among the MSW students with whom we met, who were predominantly young white females
    ( http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf, pg 5). 
    The school acknowledges that there is a gap between who they invite to the table and who actually gets to dine.
    But... as soon as I saw a glimmer of critical thinking and reflexivity at UFT's school of social work, I went on to read  the school's insinuation that men are oppressed in social work (http://socialwork.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/UTQAP-APPENDICES-PDF-KW-revision-page-3.pdf,; pg 3). [face palm]. 
     
    * McMSW = McDonalidzation of social work education, the trend in which schools of social work are trying to cram five years of social work education into a cheapened two year program.
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    cupcake reacted to MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    Based on my experience, U of T MSW is one of the whitest school in Ontario, and I am not just talking about ethnicity of the students there , but the school culture in general. I would be very cautious to answer the diversity questionnares and ensure they don't sound " too critical "  or " too postmodern".
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    cupcake reacted to MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    " His racism against white people",  lol, thanks for empowering a racialized person and placing me on a higher status.  
    Pls, I did very well in my MSW and I just received a PHD offer from an Ivy League school. Thanks for asking.  
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    cupcake reacted to MSW&MD in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    I did my undergrad there, I took two clinical courses at Factor-Inwentash Faculty of Social Work and I did one collaborative research project with a U of T professor .  It was  my personal impression that the school is not as racially/culturally diverse as it claimed to be . Having said that, I really don't care about U of T MSW 's dominant pedagogical approach or its hegemonic discourse of institutional Whiteness; I don't lecture people on which school is better for them and which one is not; after all, we are all adults and we use our subjective judgement to make the best choice. I am just sharing my experience on the topic of diversity  to someone who is interested know, if you find this topic to be  offensive, then please ignore my thread.  Thanks and cheer
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    cupcake reacted to .letmeinplz// in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2017 admissions   
    His racism against white people aside, I was curious and looked at the diversity numbers for Toronto (most every school keeps these). If you look at their Reports and Accountability page and read the Performance Indicator 2015 PDF you find that UoT has "The proportion of students, first and senior year, who reported that they are part of a visible minority is increasing at the University of Toronto and is higher than Canadian peer institutions." This also held true for first-generation students...
    Not sure how well someone will do in graduate programs when they use anecdotal "man I saw some white people" experience vs real data but that is just me...
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    cupcake got a reaction from AnnInTO in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2016 admissions   
    As a master of social work student at York University, I feel compelled to comment on the quoted post. I feel that there are a lot of assumptions in this post that are in contradiction with social work values and demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the profession.
    First of all, I would like to state that, prior to commencing my MSW studies, I was highly suspicious of all two-year MSW programs and saw (and continue to see) them as an outgrowth of the neoliberal academy. I do not think two years of MSW education can adequately capture the rich learning that occurs during the years it takes to complete a BSW and gain practice experience. Through my work experience, I have encountered several graduates of two-year MSW programs and despite holding a higher-level social work degree, they seemed to lack social work knowledge and uncritically accepted medical knowledge (i.e. “clinical” knowledge) as superior to social justice perspectives, which is the heart of social work.
    I was pleasantly challenged by some of the 2-Year MSW cohort at York and found many of these students do share a similar knowledge and value base, such as that which is cultivated at the BSW level. That being said, I find that they tend to be self-conscious about not having enough practice experience and often express that they do not learn “clinical” skills (this word is thrown around a lot to discursively align social work with medicine). The skills discussed in the quoted post are fairly basic and although reviewed at the BSW program, they are acquired through direct practice.I continue to encounter many of the UFT 2 year MSW students and they are hopelessly ignorant and come from erroneous backgrounds (ex. Real estate, Business, Neuroscience, and Psychology). UFT 2 Year MSW students and graduates tend to uphold neoliberal values in their practice and tend to align with medical and business (cost-saving) models rather than social work.

    It's true that York does not have a lot of partnerships as UFT has unfairly made a market. That being said, as I am nearing the end of the MSW program, I find that when I am contacted by employers, they have told me that they were interested because I also hold a BSW and have some experience, and not necessarily because of my practicum or school.
    I do not really have any suggestions to offer. I think that although York University’s Two-Year MSW program fosters a critical foundation for students, many would benefit by completing a BSW first to gain some foundational skills. I don't think UFT's Two-Year MSW program fosters the foundation that a BSW programs would provide and they would benefit from a BSW as well. You also have to wonder about equity issues as well; the Two Year MSW programs at both UFT and York are dominated by white people; this is not the case in the 1 year MSW program at York and Ryerson. I am glad  that York limits the number of 2 Year MSW students they accept; the situation at UFT is quite uncontrolled and this has implications on the social work profession itself as we are flooded by those who think more like real estate agents, entrepreneurs, neuroscientists, and psychologists rather than social workers. 
    By the way, I am curious what program would constitute a “clinical BSW”? All accredited BSWs are regulated by the CASWE and from my conversation with other holders of BSWs, the programs are similar in structure. 
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    cupcake got a reaction from Ballym385 in Canadian Universities MSW. The waiting game 2016 admissions   
    As a master of social work student at York University, I feel compelled to comment on the quoted post. I feel that there are a lot of assumptions in this post that are in contradiction with social work values and demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the profession.
    First of all, I would like to state that, prior to commencing my MSW studies, I was highly suspicious of all two-year MSW programs and saw (and continue to see) them as an outgrowth of the neoliberal academy. I do not think two years of MSW education can adequately capture the rich learning that occurs during the years it takes to complete a BSW and gain practice experience. Through my work experience, I have encountered several graduates of two-year MSW programs and despite holding a higher-level social work degree, they seemed to lack social work knowledge and uncritically accepted medical knowledge (i.e. “clinical” knowledge) as superior to social justice perspectives, which is the heart of social work.
    I was pleasantly challenged by some of the 2-Year MSW cohort at York and found many of these students do share a similar knowledge and value base, such as that which is cultivated at the BSW level. That being said, I find that they tend to be self-conscious about not having enough practice experience and often express that they do not learn “clinical” skills (this word is thrown around a lot to discursively align social work with medicine). The skills discussed in the quoted post are fairly basic and although reviewed at the BSW program, they are acquired through direct practice.I continue to encounter many of the UFT 2 year MSW students and they are hopelessly ignorant and come from erroneous backgrounds (ex. Real estate, Business, Neuroscience, and Psychology). UFT 2 Year MSW students and graduates tend to uphold neoliberal values in their practice and tend to align with medical and business (cost-saving) models rather than social work.

    It's true that York does not have a lot of partnerships as UFT has unfairly made a market. That being said, as I am nearing the end of the MSW program, I find that when I am contacted by employers, they have told me that they were interested because I also hold a BSW and have some experience, and not necessarily because of my practicum or school.
    I do not really have any suggestions to offer. I think that although York University’s Two-Year MSW program fosters a critical foundation for students, many would benefit by completing a BSW first to gain some foundational skills. I don't think UFT's Two-Year MSW program fosters the foundation that a BSW programs would provide and they would benefit from a BSW as well. You also have to wonder about equity issues as well; the Two Year MSW programs at both UFT and York are dominated by white people; this is not the case in the 1 year MSW program at York and Ryerson. I am glad  that York limits the number of 2 Year MSW students they accept; the situation at UFT is quite uncontrolled and this has implications on the social work profession itself as we are flooded by those who think more like real estate agents, entrepreneurs, neuroscientists, and psychologists rather than social workers. 
    By the way, I am curious what program would constitute a “clinical BSW”? All accredited BSWs are regulated by the CASWE and from my conversation with other holders of BSWs, the programs are similar in structure. 
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