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  1.    MDP reacted to a post in a topic: 2022 Creative Writing MFA Applicants Forum
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    hey, you sound incredibly defensive! note, my question for you was, can you name these programs that you claim prefer older applicants? a question you didn't answer anywhere in your vomitous reply. which is not a surprise. because you were lying to begin with. okay, we get you're hostile to the possibility that MFA programs engage in illegal age discrimination. but nobody asked you to be a fact finder. your spin on the iowa data is not legally-informed or even remotely objective. you have a knee-jerk defensive reaction to any implied criticism of the mfa as a system. you have given so many misleading, poorly reasoned responses! i'm not going to bother rebutting every inaccurate or poorly-reasoned statement of yours. i'll just say this: don't be such a time burglar!
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    Do you have a factual basis for this assertion? The only hard data I've seen regarding age and admissions probability is for Iowa. An older applicant filed a discrimination complaint with DOE. The data Iowa was forced to release showed applicants over 40 were much less likely to be accepted than younger applicants. The data spanned multiple admission cycles. https://amp.press-citizen.com/amp/513514001 Also, just looking at student profiles at fully funded MFA programs, I have rarely come across students over 40. So if you happen to know specific programs that actually favor older applicants, please share that info!
  8. Ogilvie
    Anyone over the age of 40 get accepted to any fully-funded programs? Also, how does the professoriate suddendly have so much power to directly influence literary art? And how could that possibly be a good thing for literature? Anyone else notice MFA's weren't even a thing until the 1930's or so, and Americam literature seemed fine without it? How did the ancient Greeks manage without MFA's?
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  10. Ogilvie
    As much as I dislike Cindee/ Artel's personal attacks, your comment is even worse. Shame-y, patriarchal. Telling someone they're pathetic/ embarrassing (to cause shame/ embarrassment). "Who does this?" is the sound a snob makes. This forum is garbage. The people who cultivate "likes" and "upvotes" are no less toxic than the overt troll. Gonna read some books now, instead of subjecting my brain to the comments in this forum.
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  18. Ogilvie
    hey booch, i'm in at [redacted] this time. since the last time i applied (7years ago) i did not read 50 novels. i might have read 50 recipes for how to boil an egg--who cares? you know what i definitely did do? smoked a ton of weed and neth and had hundredz of ours of batshit crazy sex, plus i wirked out a lot at the gym! fuck the new yorker and fuck you!!! also, mickey dolenzes to u for michigan stomping on ur dreamz. WHAT A SHANE! such a CHILL program, SO AVANT-GARDE! and oh yeah eileen pollack used to teach there, SO CUTING EDG! did u write about talking toiletz? that could be why u didnt get in, MICHIGAN DOESNT APPROVE OF TALKING TOILETZ! that's straight from the tips of eileen pollack's fingerz! https://forge.medium.com/an-mfa-admissions-officer-on-making-your-
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    The vibe of this forum has been very Sartrean today.
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  23. Ogilvie
    These writers are not exceptions. Most famous writers within the time period you're referencing did not have MFA's. Just to name a few with no research required: Toni Morrison, James Baldwin, Joan Didion, Thomas Pynchon, Don Delillo, Philip Roth. Many others who are less famous, or non-American, or playwrights, etc. Plus the entire history of writing before the MFA was invented.
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  25. Ogilvie
    Prefer not to say for my own selfish reasons. You probably are familiar with them anyway, whether or not you consider them innovative.
  26. Ogilvie
    That's fair. I counted 7 fully-funded programs that one could call "innovative." Maybe there are a few more, idk. Definitely a minority of programs.
  27. Ogilvie
    You know there are unconventional/ avant-garde programs, don't you? I doubt these programs have such a boring aesthetic as The New Yorker. But I think you might be partially right about the commercial programs at least . . . Iowa, Michigan, Michener, etc. They do promote a conformist aesthetic.
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