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snowballschanceonhell

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  1. Nonsense. If a UG thinks his/her program is THE top in its field and rules over all other programs, all the more reason to send the student elsewhere. No "better opportunities" elsewhere? Please. Sounds just like the type of arrogant insular program that wants to keep its own for all the wrong reasons.
  2. "Another big factor is luck (as in the timing of your application relative to openings that interest you). I really lucked out in that sense. My adviser happened to be looking for two grad students when I was applying." Brilliant. Yeah, I guess you really "lucked out" with that other "big factor" LMFAO...like luck had anything to do with it. Now I see why you were so defensive of academic inbreeding in the other thread when you're an academic inbred lovechild yourself! Listen up kids: you too can get in to grad school str8 out of UG if you get some "luck" going for yourself with an influential prof in your dept. BUT, it will be in the same dept. @the same school, so everyone from your labmates, classmates, other profs and everyone on the future SC's you apply to will think you finagled in through some shady backdoor...even if you didn't. But hey... nothing beats that "look at you" moment when you end up TA'ing your former UG classmates who are still in the UG program and trying to get into grad school.
  3. I guess I could have said Bullshitters instead of "schmoozers" "If you have done solid work, then perhaps this so-called "academic inbreeding" can be overlooked." Ummm, yeah right. The only students I've ever seen stuck in the nest are: 1.) students who can't get good opportunities elsewhere 2.) students who are too lazy to get good opportunities elswhere 3.) students who are too chicken-shit to get good opportunities elsewhere 4.) students who compensate for their intellectual deficits with their bullshitting skills (which, of course, only works when you're getting a "promotion" within the same dept.) 5.) students who have a little hanky-panky going on with their profs 6.) students who finagle their way through some shady backdoor 7.) usually all of the above. So how does that piece of academic reality hit ya? Maybe next time I'll name my school and department * hint about my department: you don't need more than gradeschool math and science to get in.
  4. Five out of six grad students in that lab couldn't leave the nest? Wow. Here's how you "compensate": go to a grad program that doesn't do this. If I were you, I'd also try to get your research experience in another lab. In that lab, you're wasting your time being with a bunch of schmoozers. Trust me, you're not learning anything new...except schmoozing skills that might get you in the same inbred program. Obviously this is a concern in all of the above scenarois: whether it's a grad student who couldn't leave the nest or an inbred prof who gets the position through schmoozing. It's not doing them or the institution any favors: there will always be a black mark against these grad students when they try to apply for post-doc or faculty positions elsewhere. Sometimes profs and lab PI's get lazy and they don't want to train new people. So they just take their own undergrad RA's. This is selfish and doesn't help anyone in the long run. The students aren't learning anything new and the labs aren't getting any fresh ideas or new perspectives/methods.
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