11Q13 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) In the year 2000, an average full-time, year-round employed male college graduate over the age of twenty-five earne $72,665, and his female counterpart earned $49,835. In 2007, he earned $70,401, and his female counterpart earned $50,398. (U.S. Census Bureau, Historical Income Tables--People.) (This is simply copied from my sociology textbook.) Difference in pay is not simply "the result of different choices" people make. Statistically across the board, women make less than men for the same jobs. Another interesting stat: women who wear makeup are paid more than women who do not. And I'm sure you think racial minorities simply need to "pick themselves up by their boostraps," right? You copied that out of a sociology 101 textbook, that's exactly the point. The wage disparity is a fact, the reason for it's existence being "its clearly sexism" like you seem to think, is naive. It is the "wage gap" myth. I'm sure you'd rather believe that, and try to make me out to be a bigot(thanks for that) than actually read the US Department of Labor's explanation which I linked right there for you. The future of the ivy league, God help us The linked PDF contained the information I referenced, but it was located in an unreliable source, or at least to me a source that appeared to be using the report in a biased way. I'm including a link to the report here from a less unknown source. That is the same link that I posted.... Edited March 26, 2011 by 11Q13 new mexico and Phenomenologist 1 1
new mexico Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) You copied that out of a sociology 101 textbook, that's exactly the point. The wage disparity is a fact, the reason for it's existence being "its clearly sexism" like you seem to think, is naive. It is the "wage gap" myth. I'm sure you'd rather believe that, and try to make me out to be a bigot(thanks for that) than actually read the US Department of Labor's explanation which I linked right there for you. The future of the ivy league, God help us That is the same link that I posted.... +1 I'm not sure about Sociology 101 textbooks, but it's really funny how anthropology 101 textbooks are usually so washed out and simplified that one really wonders what the point is in taking an anthro 101 course... I'm assuming, therefore, that this is probably the same for introduction books in sociology, theology, philosophy, etc. On the other hand, introductory books for chemistry, biology, physics, and biochemistry I've found to be rather excellent. The only problem with science introductory books is that you first learn a simplified model of reality; however, that's really the best way to start in the sciences. Edited March 26, 2011 by new mexico Phenomenologist and new mexico 1 1
Trin Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 I'm presenting at a regional AAR conference in about 12 hours, and I was reminded of yall. Why? Well, I'm having this sudden anxiety that my paper isn't queer enough for the Queer Studies section. :lol:
Phenomenologist Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) You copied that out of a sociology 101 textbook, that's exactly the point. The wage disparity is a fact, the reason for it's existence being "its clearly sexism" like you seem to think, is naive. It is the "wage gap" myth. I'm sure you'd rather believe that, and try to make me out to be a bigot(thanks for that) than actually read the US Department of Labor's explanation which I linked right there for you. No, I copied it out of an Oxford University Press (2010) book: "Understanding Race, Class, Gender, and Sexuality: A Conceptual Framework," by a Lynn Weber. I'm not familiar with her, it's just a book that was assigned. Not a "sociology 101" book by any means, though. It's just as "naive" to say that it is a "myth." Just as one may reductively say "It's exclusively based on gender," you can just as reductively say "It has nothing whatsoever to do with gender." It's similar to discussions over race, and minority races not getting paid as much as whites. It's very complicated, but it's not wholly unrelated to race. I already acknowledged with Tahuds my mistake, you may have missed it: Hm, intresting -- I'm completely ignorant of this information, which would definitely give a different account. So it would definitely require more nuance, absolutely. It's certainly true that "it's complicated," and complex. And I don't want to be reductive and say it's exclusively and solely based on gender differences. I simply wanted to point out that it is no "myth" that women make much less than men across the board, all things being equal. So, no need to freak out . Edited March 28, 2011 by Phenomenologist Phenomenologist and Trin 2
Thanks4Downvoting Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Glad that's over Owlrus, Thanks4Downvoting, TheHymenAnnihilator and 1 other 3 1
Trin Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Glad that's over You made me laugh! :-) In other news, I am totally ordering school sweatshirts from the Big Non-Selective State U I'm graduating from in two months and the community college I attended before that -- to take with me to HDS. I was inspired by this thread. :-)
Thanks4Downvoting Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 You made me laugh! :-) In other news, I am totally ordering school sweatshirts from the Big Non-Selective State U I'm graduating from in two months and the community college I attended before that -- to take with me to HDS. I was inspired by this thread. :-) You laugh, but that makes us "diverse," whatever the hell that means these days. TheHymenAnnihilator 1
Phenomenologist Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Glad that's over I thought it was over a while ago, when I was chatting with Tahuds . In other news, I am totally ordering school sweatshirts from the Big Non-Selective State U I'm graduating from in two months and the community college I attended before that -- to take with me to HDS. I was inspired by this thread. :-) Niiiiiice. That's a pretty funny idea -- I also went to a small community college before transferring to my liberal arts school. That'd be great for us to wear our community college apparel at our lofty graduate programs .
Trin Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 You laugh, but that makes us "diverse," whatever the hell that means these days. I am still amused at somehow being an example of diversity. I mean, in person, the ony thing that seems "diverse" about me is my age -- and even that some people don't pick up on. I drove someone back to the airport from the conference on Monday; she was one of several scholars I met during the weekend who mistook me for being about 15 years younger than I am. I seem to defy many of the expectations about the appearance of someone with my avowed identities and interests. So I guess I'm stealth diverse.
Trin Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Niiiiiice. That's a pretty funny idea -- I also went to a small community college before transferring to my liberal arts school. That'd be great for us to wear our community college apparel at our lofty graduate programs . *grin* I have so many previous schools -- women's college, flagship state U, community colleges, BNSU -- that I could pretty much wear a different college shirt every day of the week. :-) I am reminded of the "This is What A Feminist Looks Like" shirts featured recently at HDS for International Women's Day. "This Is What Community College Looks Like". :-) It wasn't particularly *challenging* in an academic sense, but California has so many state-specific requirements for graduates that are much more easily discharged via CC distance education or evening classes.
Sky Pilot Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 *grin* I have so many previous schools -- women's college, flagship state U, community colleges, BNSU -- that I could pretty much wear a different college shirt every day of the week. :-) I am reminded of the "This is What A Feminist Looks Like" shirts featured recently at HDS for International Women's Day. "This Is What Community College Looks Like". :-) It wasn't particularly *challenging* in an academic sense, but California has so many state-specific requirements for graduates that are much more easily discharged via CC distance education or evening classes. My husband is currently a PhD student rocking the socks off his program, and he started at a local community college. He started taking classes to shut up my parents (we've been dating since high school!), took the "hardest" class he could find (Chemistry) and fell head over heels for the subject. He worked his butt off through community college and a local, tiny, Jesuit college, and is now working under a nationally recognized inorganic chemist and has already been published twice. "This is what Community College Looks Like", INDEED. Trin 1
vega maudlin Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 My husband is currently a PhD student rocking the socks off his program, and he started at a local community college. He started taking classes to shut up my parents (we've been dating since high school!), took the "hardest" class he could find (Chemistry) and fell head over heels for the subject. He worked his butt off through community college and a local, tiny, Jesuit college, and is now working under a nationally recognized inorganic chemist and has already been published twice. "This is what Community College Looks Like", INDEED. That's completely awesome. Go him!
Trin Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 You saw our shirts! The ones from International Women's Day? Hell yes! I looked at *all* the pictures in the set on Flickr, and they're all wonderful, and I cannot wait to be there. :-)
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