katethekitcat

No to be rude, but you have two threads open about this topic. This is an extremely personal decision, and no one is going to make it for you. It's also unlikely that most people will know anything about these particular programs either. Make a list of pros and cons and decide for yourself.
 
Good luck.

pfft word limits are for dolts
 
I sent the same two-page SOP ignoring that non-sense

they certainly do deserve respect, but you should read them as equals to yourself, (as opposed to authorities) on the same path towards truth.

and if you find yourself quarrelling pver some trivial matter in a jpurnal dedicated to nietzsche or writing a book about de leuze or derrida (i do believe they wrote their own books) then you are a failure.

you are also perpetuating idolatry and poisoning the community.

(ps 'selfhatingphilosopher': blow me)

by the way i post here while i read kant all morning. (and i mean really read it , BSG)

so you can be as petty as a militant feminist

im the one enjoying coffee and tea in leisure reading kant . in fact i dont even NEED graduate school like you people do. i have a life of leisure and philosophy ahead of me, regardless.

juat to put things in perspective for you people

READ MY PAPER 'ONTOLOGY OF THE ELEMENTS; A TRANSCENDENTAL DIALECTIC' IN MY 'LAST PAPER' TOPIC

AND REMEMBER YOUR PLACE !!!!!! I OWN

thanks philhopeful. I disagree -- idolatry is rampant.

otherwise I'm not interested in entering into conversation with most of these people anyways.

you are especially welcome, catwoman.

This application cycle, I requested a letter from a professor who, although he'd written me glowing letters of recommendation for internships in the past, often had difficulty doing so on time. I factored that in and asked him for a letter two months before the letter was due. I clearly stated, "I am hoping to have my applications done by [insert date]. Do you think you could have the letter finished by that time? If not, what would work for you?" If he needed more time, he could ask for it - but it gave him the opportunity to name the date, which gives me a date I can reasonably hold him accountable to. He chose it himself - the actual school's date didn't even have to be mentioned. I received the letter in plenty of time - and even had built in enough of a safety margin I was able to last-minute apply to other places.
 
Professors are doing us the favor by writing letters. Not the other way around. They don't owe you anything, especially with that attitude. It is your responsbility to do your research on deadlines far enough in advance to account for the fact they might have 20 other letters to write, a full class load, research to conduct, committees to sit on, families...I agree with the posters above. If I was a professor and found out a student was blatantly lying to me for this purpose, I would not only refuse to write a letter, I would share this information with my department. A student who has no qualms about doing this is going to have no qualms about manipulating data to meet a submission deadline for a conference.
 
Loric, you have over 400 posts in this community. If it really digusts you so much, no one is forcing you to hit that "post" button. You're welcome to depart for other forums that better appreciate your analysis of strangers.

Really? Ok but you're a guy (I assume, from the username) so you have forever and a day to meet someone and have kids and stuff. You have no limit on your time to reproduce or anything whereas I'm 23 almost, I have about 2 more years to meet a suitable person date them for a year and a half and get engaged, married and have my first baby. Assuming I meet the person tomorrow that still puts me at about 27 or 28 for a baby, assuming I want more than 1 kid I have about 5 years for 2 more. That is if I meet someone tomorrow which is pretty unlikely. So if I wait don't meet someone until 25 I will be 30 having my first kid my egg quality will have gone down and that's bad. I have a lot to think about! If it were up to me I would have been in a serious relationship at 21 engaged by 23 and married at 24 then I would be in grad school, married and hopefully pregnant or trying to get pregnant. I just feel like I will have so much stress off of me when I get into a good lasting relationship.

I definitely have thought about what happens if I don't meet someone in grad school.. But I still want to go. I would be really devastated not meeting someone though. I mean I feel like past college there is no way to meet guys or people in general... You can at work but dating at work is frowned on. I figure going out of state and moving into an apartment with a roommate hopefully they will be cool and I can use them as a tool meet guys also.

In the end I know I want to go into social work, I know what field and everything but I feel like finding a serious relationship while there wouldn't hurt. I'm 22 almost 23 and not getting any younger. I was in the MSW forum and there are women in there who are my age and married or engaged and their fiancé pays for their school. At this point I need to have a serious relationship. 22 and never having a serious relationship is weird and bad. So in a way I do think I am going to school for that. I went to college for that, I still did great... I didn't find a husband or bf but I got a degree. It seems weird and dumb but I just know I want to get married and have a family and social work isn't a field that is constantly 24 hour work like a doctor or lawyer. Don't get me wrong I know it is a lot of work but it isn't like law or being a doctor, you can have a family and do it. My therapist is an LISW and had her kid at 17 and got married at 20 hs another at 22 and finished her Masters when her kid was like 5. So if isn't impossible. I can't explain it, I don't think not finding someone will affect me so badly that my grades would slip or anything. I would be bummed but I can maintain my school work.

For the love of tiny little cuttlefish, everybody:  please post your scores when you post your admissions decisions on the survey.  It helps people.

Accepted at (and will be attending) U of Michigan's Hospital and Molecular Epidemiology MPH program!

This application cycle, I requested a letter from a professor who, although he'd written me glowing letters of recommendation for internships in the past, often had difficulty doing so on time. I factored that in and asked him for a letter two months before the letter was due. I clearly stated, "I am hoping to have my applications done by [insert date]. Do you think you could have the letter finished by that time? If not, what would work for you?" If he needed more time, he could ask for it - but it gave him the opportunity to name the date, which gives me a date I can reasonably hold him accountable to. He chose it himself - the actual school's date didn't even have to be mentioned. I received the letter in plenty of time - and even had built in enough of a safety margin I was able to last-minute apply to other places.
 
Professors are doing us the favor by writing letters. Not the other way around. They don't owe you anything, especially with that attitude. It is your responsbility to do your research on deadlines far enough in advance to account for the fact they might have 20 other letters to write, a full class load, research to conduct, committees to sit on, families...I agree with the posters above. If I was a professor and found out a student was blatantly lying to me for this purpose, I would not only refuse to write a letter, I would share this information with my department. A student who has no qualms about doing this is going to have no qualms about manipulating data to meet a submission deadline for a conference.
 
Loric, you have over 400 posts in this community. If it really digusts you so much, no one is forcing you to hit that "post" button. You're welcome to depart for other forums that better appreciate your analysis of strangers.

Accepted at (and will be attending) U of Michigan's Hospital and Molecular Epidemiology MPH program!

If you apply, you might get in, especially if you find a university that's a good fit for your research interest. That fit matters more than your stats.
 
If you don't apply, you have a 0% chance of getting accepted and continuing with your career in research.

If you apply, you might get in, especially if you find a university that's a good fit for your research interest. That fit matters more than your stats.
 
If you don't apply, you have a 0% chance of getting accepted and continuing with your career in research.

This application cycle, I requested a letter from a professor who, although he'd written me glowing letters of recommendation for internships in the past, often had difficulty doing so on time. I factored that in and asked him for a letter two months before the letter was due. I clearly stated, "I am hoping to have my applications done by [insert date]. Do you think you could have the letter finished by that time? If not, what would work for you?" If he needed more time, he could ask for it - but it gave him the opportunity to name the date, which gives me a date I can reasonably hold him accountable to. He chose it himself - the actual school's date didn't even have to be mentioned. I received the letter in plenty of time - and even had built in enough of a safety margin I was able to last-minute apply to other places.
 
Professors are doing us the favor by writing letters. Not the other way around. They don't owe you anything, especially with that attitude. It is your responsbility to do your research on deadlines far enough in advance to account for the fact they might have 20 other letters to write, a full class load, research to conduct, committees to sit on, families...I agree with the posters above. If I was a professor and found out a student was blatantly lying to me for this purpose, I would not only refuse to write a letter, I would share this information with my department. A student who has no qualms about doing this is going to have no qualms about manipulating data to meet a submission deadline for a conference.
 
Loric, you have over 400 posts in this community. If it really digusts you so much, no one is forcing you to hit that "post" button. You're welcome to depart for other forums that better appreciate your analysis of strangers.

This application cycle, I requested a letter from a professor who, although he'd written me glowing letters of recommendation for internships in the past, often had difficulty doing so on time. I factored that in and asked him for a letter two months before the letter was due. I clearly stated, "I am hoping to have my applications done by [insert date]. Do you think you could have the letter finished by that time? If not, what would work for you?" If he needed more time, he could ask for it - but it gave him the opportunity to name the date, which gives me a date I can reasonably hold him accountable to. He chose it himself - the actual school's date didn't even have to be mentioned. I received the letter in plenty of time - and even had built in enough of a safety margin I was able to last-minute apply to other places.
 
Professors are doing us the favor by writing letters. Not the other way around. They don't owe you anything, especially with that attitude. It is your responsbility to do your research on deadlines far enough in advance to account for the fact they might have 20 other letters to write, a full class load, research to conduct, committees to sit on, families...I agree with the posters above. If I was a professor and found out a student was blatantly lying to me for this purpose, I would not only refuse to write a letter, I would share this information with my department. A student who has no qualms about doing this is going to have no qualms about manipulating data to meet a submission deadline for a conference.
 
Loric, you have over 400 posts in this community. If it really digusts you so much, no one is forcing you to hit that "post" button. You're welcome to depart for other forums that better appreciate your analysis of strangers.

Can I take a moment and be honest with you Eigen?
 
While I feel that leaving my response to you with just a snide remark - fitting of the offensively smug superiority you use to address others - I want something to be perfectly clear. Lest you continue to have even the remotest inclination otherwise.
 
I think exceptionally little of you, your clique, and your ways. I think you'll amount to nothing, but worst of all think you've accomplished something. I think you'll make no mark on the world and die unknown, uninteresting, and as unappealing as a human being as ever. You've constructed this entire little world where butt-kissing and doing as your told is the right and righteous way of being and you tell other people to do so to stay within the good graces of your chosen peer set.
 
I'm just waiting for the day the real world gets ahold of you and does what it always does.
 
I don't doubt you can eat data and crap out conclusions so you're "good" at academia - but I seriously doubt you've ever learned anything and I would never believe any of your research work is going to amount to anything other than a gold star from your superior... which sadly is all you live for.
 
My attitude toward you and your equally rotten little cohorts is contempt - and it is "justified."

It's a classic behavior modification technique. Need someone at an event at 7pm? Know they are always an hour late? Tell them the party is at 6pm.
 
The same concept applies to reccomenders. They have solidified notions in their heads that they can turn in their letter late.. because some places allow it.. but it's not like they research if the school you're applying to allows it. So while they're doing what they do.. you could end up thoroughly screwed over.
 
So you lie... you lie for the greater good. You tell them YOUR deadlines for the LOR and set your benchmarks to check in and see how progress is going, to touch base, to see if there's any questions you can answer and if there's more information you can provided.
 
And then, 2-3 weeks before the actual deadline you'll get your letter - minimal stress. Still, a week after the faux-deadline you set up, but well before the school deadline.
 
This is the practical and pragmatic way to approach get a LOR. Asking, waiting, replying on a prof to be professional and do what they say they will.. is an effort in futility most of the time. This forum exists as nothing more than a constant reminder of the stress, panic, and anxiety the "old way" has caused.
 
Save yourself the heartbreak and do it the new way.

I'm wondering, if I don't get in, about taking my stipend and moving to China, Thailand, the Philippines -- 1300/month will go a long ways there and I can concentrate full-time on my research.

Maybe I should do it anyways...?

I planted a dating ad on okcupId so that if you Google my email you can find it on the bottom of the results page under my 'spacetime dialectics'.

It shows me without a shirt. Do you think that will be bonus points <3

Hi satyr,

I hope you find what you're looking for in philosophy.

Unless you are rich or otherwise wealthy enough to attend an ivy league school (or win full scholarships) that Israel is a fine enough place to study.

Don't think about getting your bachelors -- think about earning your phd ! Get decent grades and make it a goal to publish 1-2 times in a journal of philosophy before you graduate.

It wouldn't be worth it to study at a state university in the US. Too many distractions from your main goal, anyways.

Goodluck !!

Yes... what he, or she, said. 

I did a lot of my reading -around- kant. Class articles and books like 'a very short introduction'.

I guess I was eager to jump into the work of thinkers much more alluring to me as an undergrad. Perhaps it works out for the better -- I am considerably more fascinated with kant now than I had ever been before.

And further - precisely what "recognition" are you talking about?
 
Oh right, exactly what I assumed - the "recognition" of an impact on a fractional slip of grades for one semester. "Oh woe is me, I'm not permanently disabled so a tiny fractional insignifigant drop in my grades wont be seen as part life changing event that did not actually occur but I'm so devestated because I feel I need a life altering permanently debilitating event in order to explain the most minute change in my grades for a single semester."
 
Yeah, that IS how crazy you all sound.