Canuckonomist

Same boat here (UofT). Maybe next week? I think they're slow with the form. I've only got 1/2 of my UTF to this point, too, which is $1400. Quite a way to start the year!

They might retro pay SSHRC to May if you started your OGS in May. It's also possible, too, that if they won't retro pay in may, you can start the award in september, and OGS might make you pay back only the Sept. one. I can't imagine that they'd require you to pay back the OGS for the months that you're not getting SSHRC. There are ways to negotiate, too. I wouldn't be surprised if you could set a January SSHRC start date, and only have to give up the January OGS. That would be $10,000 the other way, and a sweet Christmas/Hannukah/Non-descript-gift-giving-holiday present.

Be ready to wait, my friends. I was first on my waitlist too and didn't hear back until mid-october. They pay you retroactively to september, but still, you might be in for a long haul. Some don't hear back until early January (getting two payments at once!) My sympathies, but being first on the waitlist is a great place to be.

There is an "alternates list" or "waitlist". You can get a "we cannot offer you funding at this time, but we'll let you know if funding becomes available". This happened to me last year, and I eventually won an award in October. Funding can become available for a number of reasons, including people turning down awards, and SSHRC getting more funding. I was first on the waitlist, so my chances weren't too bad. If you win a CGS and are going to school outside of canada, you need to turn it down, and then it's passed to someone else on the list. Also, they tend to hold an SDF in the wings for Vanier winners, should they turn the Vanier down for whatever reason. That's why there are usually 2 applicants in every category that pick up SDFs off the waitlist (this one was of the things that contributed to my award). If you get a flat-out rejection, it'll mean that you were too far down to be put on a waitlist. Hope that helps! Canuck EDIT: I just noticed that Ludwig posted an answer. Let this just be a second reference.

Bang on. Also, it usually works like this at Toronto, and I've heard similar stories elsewhere: 1. If you win an OGS, you need to forfeit some (if not all) of the standard fellowship money you would get from a university. At toronto, this is the UTF. Sometimes they'll give you a little kick-back for winning an OGS. 2. If you win a SSHRC, but no OGS, the same above rules apply, but with a SSHRC, you're more likely to get that kick-back. 3. If you win both SSHRC and OGS, you forfeit the OGS, and the same rules apply to forfeiting the standard fellowships. Basically, you really only get one, sometimes plus a little extra.

Zhangy, are you in the MA program now, or are you going to be in the fall? Regardless, welcome to UToronto Economics. You'll see me in the department often enough. My office is in the basement, by the TA office hour room.

Hi-ya back.

The last stage is waitlists. Trust me, I know. And that can go on until January (luckily it was october, in my case). In terms of when to hear, it seems like April is what they shoot for every year, and usually miss by 1 to 2 months. For the poster above that is "done waiting", that's a good attitude to have. Forget about it, and you'll be pleasantly surprised (hopefully) when it shows up. Canuck

I'll sympathize with your plight, but something seems fishy here. How can you only make $120-130/wk working 20 hours a week? I don't know the U.S minimum wage, but I'm pretty sure it's higher than $6-$6.50. There's something amiss with that statement. If that is indeed the case, you need to find yourself a better job. In addition, I'll echo what others have said. In my undergrad years, I lived on $30 a week, so $48 is plenty. That's roughly $7 a day, you know. EDIT: I've realized the thread has been dead for a couple weeks, so apologizes for the necropost.

Congratulations to all of you. MSP said there could be movement as late as December, and there you go, there was indeed. In terms of back-dating payments, they told me that they could only back-date it as far as September, so I don't know what that means for you, IA. Either way, you'll get the money they promised you, and at least two instalments worth on January 1st, which is a whopping $13,335, if I remember correctly. That's one big check! (or Direct Deposit, as these modern times go). I'm excited to get my SSHRC christmas gift on (or around) New year's as well. Canuck

I don't understand your logic here. In this way, entrance scholarships are just as great an indicator as provincial/national awards. You submit an application, and they see how good you are, so they try to out-bid other universities to bring you. Competitions say that one committee thought you were worthy. Major entrance scholarships that are used to bid for students indicate that university XX with a certain academic ranking thought you were stellar enough to bid for. To me, that's just as good. I would make a better argument, but I've got a mild migraine, and I think I'll go lie down.

Interesting. I can see it as a possibility in some respects, when it's a competitive fellowship that shows a certain committee thought you had some serious merit. But my question there is did the chair encourage you to put it on the application awards section, or your CV? I'd find the latter a tad strange.

Yeah, that's just it. You can never 'know' that you're going to win (unless you're RaaR. His profile is beastly.) But it's good to be in the position that winning or losing doesn't make or break your year. In some of the humanities, and less 'industry popular' fields, they're not so lucky. So, I suppose this makes this application season a tad less nail-biting (though no amount of job-security can really mitigate the stress come april.).

Hey Thesparky, (I think I remember you from Testmagic!) I'd list the ones that the university YOU WENT TO gave you. For instance, I'm at the University of Toronto. They offered me a University of Toronto Fellowship last year, but I also won OGS, so for my application this year, I put: - 2009 OGS - 2010-2012 University of Toronto Fellowship - 2009 University of Toronto Fellowship (declined) As I had to decline the UTF in '09 in favour of the OGS. Also, I believe it's SSHRC Doctoral Fellowship, not Scholarship. Canuck

You sound like you're in a really good place with this application. I'm looking forward to seeing how it will turn out!

Creative, and brilliant. This is exactly what you should do. It will also land some credibility to the work.

"one of my profs is on the review committee for ACLS mellon awards and another spent years working for the SSRC as the first guy to cut proposals before they made it to committee and both have said: follow their instructions exactly. they are looking for any reason to throw out your application so don't give them a reason to cut you by doing exactly what they tell you not to do." Yes. This is very true. Everyone should follow this advice. "what i'm not keen on is listing a fellowship granted by a university that you decided not to enroll in." This is absolutely true. Don't list these. "for example, i was accepted to miami and offered $30,000/yr for 5 years in their university-wide fellowship. but i didn't go there. i don't think i should list that award on my CV." Absolutely. I agree with you. "most US schools give you some sort of fellowship when they accept you," This not true for most schools in the US, at least not in economics. It's more true in Canada. In fact, I'd say a good percentage of schools in the U.S don't. Chicago, UW-Madison and Boston U fund less than 1/3 of their incoming class via fellowships for economics. MIT, UPenn, UCSD, UCLA and UC-Berkeley are also notably as stingy, and these are the big schools, with big money. "... so listing those on my CV would be the same as just listing every school i got into." I don't see how this follows. From listing the fact that you were given a fellowship, even if it's university-wide, I don't see how this is the same as listing every school you got into, even if they all offered you a fellowship of sorts, so I disagree with this point.

See, this is where I'd toe the party line. I tried that two years ago, with one that was only in submission. I didn't make it far at all. This year, I took that one off, and, well, you know the result of that. I'm not saying it made the difference for my win, but I think when they specify that they don't want something, you don't include it. That said, if it's a working paper, or in submission, and related to your proposal, note it there. That's how other classmates of mine have got around that. It's also a way to delve a bit into what the submission was about. Again, just a little piece of my experience. Take it for what it is.

Hope all is well with the rest of the SSHRC 2010 waitlisted. Thought it would be funny to mention that I snuck into the 'Top 10 posters for October'. It was the month I know I spent the most time around here, and it shows in the number of posts. I must say, though, I find myself kicking around here just to see how you are all doing, and, on occasion, to lend a hand to the 2011 applicants.

Sorry to bring back an older post, but I'm going to disagree strongly with this one. It's important to include awards you declined for bigger ones, because you did in fact win them. You're short-changing yourself if you don't. If you check the CV I've posted on my website, outside of the SSHRC win, the awards section is the same as the one I sent to SSHRC last year. Not saying that having a declined UTF helped, but it's nice for them to know that I had other funding before getting my OGS, so that the university was willing to fund me had I not received the OGS that year. It's just another way for them to differentiate you, with the fact that there was another committee that thought you were also award-worthy. A friend of mine at MIT won the NSF and was then admitted. If you compare him to another MIT student who also has the NSF, they may have already had departmental funding offered to them, and have it as declined on their CV. By comparison, the one with the NSF and the MIT fellowship should be more desirable, no? (MIT has a history in Econ of taking those with an NSF because they don't have to fund them -also those students are brilliant, and it's a great indicator, but money's important too.) So, show off as much as you can. You earned it.

Hey StrangeLight, It's not a dumb question. SSHRC people look for every reason to toss an app, so making sure you get the margins right is important. It's almost like a skill testing question. I don't have the answers for you just yet, but I'd recommend also starting this question on an Official SSHRC 2011 thread if there isn't one yet. There may be others applying for 2011 that have the same question, and it's important that we all help eachother! Canuck

Oh, and thanks Amuna, I appreciate the kudos. I'm so thrilled that I could share this joy with SpaceJump. We've been here a while. That said, I hope we get to share this joy with Chan, sshrchopeful and the rest, too. We've got a couple month until december comes to a close, so it ain't over until it's over. In the words of Mickey Goldmill, 'I didn't hear no bell!"

Nothing to feel bad about there, kiddo. You earned it. On my end, UToronto is fairly stingy, and I'm waiting to hear whether this award gets the $2500/yr "Thanks-for-not-making-us-pay-you-$11000/yr-in-fellowship" top-up, or whether everything gets scooped. I may have to hand in a cheque for $5000 to UofT as early as next week. I sure hope that SSHRC funding gets here soon... (Still looking for bigger apartments... This is my treat to myself, a bigger place... though I could use a small keyboard, too. A microKORG or something.)

Yup. It was confirmed indeed that the award is the SDF(3,20000). I had a great time just updating my CV last night. I feel almost impressive, and it's a great feeling. Your situation is a rough one, to be in a subgroup like that. But you do have some money coming in, so there is a consolation prize. It just bites to lose out on $45,000. I'm also stoked that this money isn't taxable. It puts me in a respectable net-tax income bracket. My partner and I started looking at 2 bedroom apartments last night.

I had a 17.9 and was first on the reversion list. As SpaceJump pointed out, different subgroups had different thresholds.