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Yes but also SVA has turned out some of the best contemporary art figures as well. We have countless examples such as Johan Grimonprez. Every single art school is for profit in the USA. There is no such thing as a non-profit art school at the MFA level that I know of. Even if you are funded by scholarships and loans and financial aid, the school profits in some way.

I just saw this and I was like damn.... I love thicc impasto! ? https://www.amandadoranart.com/2018-2019

Apart from funding, I honestly would love to be in that type of cultural environment despite funding. As the oddball Asian-American Muslim dude around SLC, to be hanging out for two years with Asian influences would be nice. Even my taking a Buddhist art class this semester doesn't make up for the lack of exposure to Asian contemporary ideas and styles. And I want to look at everything. When I enter my MFA in 2023, I want to have a clean slate and start fresh with a reset button.

As a small insight, I noticed that SVA MFA cohorts are with a huge fraction of Asian students (not Asian-Americans) which suggests that China and the East have a strong economic power. I suspect (no clue) that many of them have no issue paying for their SVA MFA programs without any scholarships or funding (or probably minimal). Also as future artists we cannot ignore the power of the Chinese art market. Despite their human rights violations and cultural issues, many of the young hot collectors are hungering for all types of Western art styles and tbh, I feel strongly that working an art practice that accomodates their interests and tastes ought to be a good factor for contemporary works.

By the way, I feel it's key to take some breaks from just doing application related stuff. Here is a wonderful group show (which anyone can enter) at https://www.shrine.nyc/group-show This gives us an international cross-section of various visual styles too... what's hip and cool. And tbh, it's all over the map which I loveeeeee!

I love SVA but my residencies were self-funding. Also I would be interested in this too as well because SVA is a strong contender on my list. I really miss NYC.

Also UCLA is a huge mystery. I don't think anyone knows what the stats there are like. A few may argue that UCLA could surpass Yale in terms of prestige for certain things.

Also I have been an alumni at the SVA residency last year and this year so if you want to know more about the faculty and culture there I can provide some insight.

I can agree with that but art criticism of Currin has shifted dramatically from the 1990's and 2000's until now. Currin's type of feminism (of which some womxn artist are uncomfortable with) has been seen now to be tied to upper class white female type of empowerment which is a huge no-no in the art world trends today. The feminism now is more radical and tied to queer, trans, and BIPOC politics and not a roundtable of predominant a white-driven political movement. Contrast https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/visual-arts/2019/11/17/can-a-white-male-painter-create-feminist-work-john-currin-has-long-tackled-metoo-themes/ (in a Dallas newpaper) versus https://www.interviewmagazine.com/art/john-currin-marc-jacobs-conversation-painting-men-me-too. I really love Currin's work but sadly enough his work has been losing trend popularity in the LA/NY art scenes. I suspect in 10-20 years we will see a resurgence of his work being analyzed after the #Metoo movement is not fashionable.

Goldsmith really likes academic painting which is conceptual and Currin is much better liked over in Europe than here atm. Currin lost a lot of favored points during the #Metoo era and a lot of contemporary art folks in the US frown even more if a female artist dug Currin ;o.

Academic painting does not refer to whether you were self-taught or not actually. It is a reference to your approach of visual ontology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_art If you are doing very realistic art which NYAA likes, then typically Yale does not want that. And yes, Currin is very much in that vein. Also Currin isn't favored much by the Yale cohorts as he is being seen as white privileged, old fashioned, very male oriented and just mostly sexist today.

Sweet, I just sent you a message via your website as well woot

Quite kick ass indeed I think that I will PM you off-site about your art :). (Meanwhile check out https://www.baseerakhanstudios.com/ who is a very brilliant Muslim artist.)

Thanks :)... do you have a website which I can check out?

All of my art can be found here at https://albertabdulbarrwang.art/ (doesn't have everything yet).

That's impressive. A lot of my art has pretty obscure references to Islamic (Nation of Islam/5%) rap references/songs, mainstream Sunni concepts, and postmodern Sufism... especially in my latest sculptures and installations. Cool I am glad to meet another Muslim here

Since Yale acceptances are out, I will be celebrating by kicking off some music off the last rap album I heard while I was at Yale back in 1999-2001 for public health. The dayz of waywayback.

yes a recent convert to the faith.

Yes... one of the reasons for Yale being such as a mover and shaker is that people from all walks of life enter into the program. That is a huge bonus for me when I apply next fall. Living here in Utah is completely torture culturally for me. It's just a bunch of mostly white pro-Trump folks here. Very inspirational for my cynical political art but I cannot sustain that forever. I plan to keep my house here but I will have to get a second studio/apartment in either NYC/LA. As a conceptual artist, I have no future in Utah unless some miracle is wrought. Yale and UCLA offer relatively radical programs that fits in with my neo-Marxist, pretty left-wing Muslim/Sufist belief systems.

Yale is pretty conceptually driven and less about the perfection of craftsmanship... also their painting/printmaking dept wants to emphasize intersectionality so they like to keep a racially/culturally/sexual diverse group. Perfect drawings rendered in the academic style is going to be a huge no for that program.

Also Yale doesn't "allow" more than 3 times to apply there.

I think so but sadly enough, our gallery had a falling out with her studio to be honest. She is very talented however. It is very experimental but I think her work is on the spectrum is being much more traditional than the other students she is with.

NoraEllie, I was wondering whether you heard back from any of the places you applied to yet?

It's not a bad program if you are into many disciplines with your art practice. I knew of one painter there right now at VCU but her work falls into more traditional fare.

Grats and do you have a website that we could see your wonderful work at? Thanks