dendarii917 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Wow, thank you for posting that, that's incredibly helpful. Wish I'd read it six months ago! I am totally screwed on broader impacts. Ah well, there's always next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tso123d Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) To be honest, it doesn't seem like that rubric can sincerely be applied in practice. Let's be honest, how many seniors or even 1st or 2nd year grad students will propose truly transformational research projects? Hell, even how many professors do something truly "transformational" in their career, let alone on a regular basis?" Honestly, something really transformational happens, essentially be definition, very rarely, certainly not 2000 per year . Of course, ultimately you do need gradations to distinguish between some quite impressive applications. However, I believe the criteria the NSF ostensibly requires is too enthusiastic to be applied in practice if taken at face value. Thanks for that list though, it's helpful to see the kind of factors that NSF judges consider when reviewing applications! Edited April 3, 2011 by tso123d repatriate, fluffy and FlyGirl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello! :) Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 To be honest, it doesn't seem like that rubric can sincerely be applied in practice. Let's be honest, how many seniors or even 1st or 2nd year grad students will propose truly transformational research projects? Hell, even how many professors do something truly "transformational" in their career, let alone on a regular basis?" Honestly, something really transformational happens, essentially be definition, very rarely, certainly not 2000 per year . Of course, ultimately you do need gradations to distinguish between some quite impressive applications. However, I believe the criteria the NSF ostensibly requires is too enthusiastic to be applied in practice if taken at face value. Thanks for that list though, it's helpful to see the kind of factors that NSF judges consider when reviewing applications! I agree with your general point! Maybe this is an indication of the subjectiveness of this review process? To me, it seems that the definition of "transformational" could differ from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherflunky Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Wow, that was better than anything else I've seen on this topic. Should become standard reading. I suspect that a lot of people screw themselves over with BI #2 (clearly state BI of proposal) and IM #1 (transformative research). The emphasis on transformative research exists - I stated earlier how a carbon nanotube & graphene group at my university has had 50% of electrical engineering successes in the past few years and it's probably because it's a hot topic (and something is a hot topic usually because it has potential to be transformative). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksawfly Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 [quote name=hello! ' timestamp='1301872059' post='237650] I agree with your general point! Maybe this is an indication of the subjectiveness of this review process? To me, it seems that the definition of "transformational" could differ from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendarii917 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I also like that the reviewer pointed out that all applicants are outstanding. High five to all of us for being awesome! Exactly. Imagine how we'd all feel if he'd said, "And wow, some applicants just stick out like miserably sore thumbs compared to the rest..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksawfly Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Exactly. Imagine how we'd all feel if he'd said, "And wow, some applicants just stick out like miserably sore thumbs compared to the rest..." I don't know about you all, but I'd feel like I was one of those sore thumbs for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmdenapoli Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I'm really hoping for a Monday release. The waiting is killing me :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylyon Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 has it occurred to anyone that returning to this forum on an hourly (or sometimes by the minute) basis might add, just a LITTLE, to the feeling that the wait is overbearing?, just a thought kkompiles and husky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesh Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I hope someone calls when they open tomorrow for another update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I like to refresh every 30 secs and I'm still in lab, so there isn't much else to think about except lab and NSF. There are so many EECS that applied to NSF, can't you guys hack the website and get us the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosset Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I like to refresh every 30 secs and I'm still in lab, so there isn't much else to think about except lab and NSF. There are so many EECS that applied to NSF, can't you guys hack the website and get us the results? so you're the reason i can barely get the page to load re: hacking, I think it was done a few years ago, and the consequences were not good. There's a lot of legalese in the registration about any non-intended (by NSF) use being considered hacking and the dire outcome for anyone who tries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 ***crickets chirping*** sooo...I'm still waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colchiques Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 ***crickets chirping*** sooo...I'm still waiting Me too - looks like it'll be tomorrow night at the earliest... Argh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaruchQSpinoza Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Last night, Robert Boyle, Hugh of St. Victor, and an animated life size can of Ol' Glory energy drink let me know that the awards would be announced on Tuesday, April 5th at 1 AM, so I'm pretty sure that y'all can stop hittin' F5 and get back to work. meankney, olive81, colormehappy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olive81 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 04/04/11 - GRFP/FastLane will be unavailable from 11:00PM ET Monday, April 4th - 5:00AM ET Tuesday, April 5th for scheduled maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience. And there it is folks.... hoobers and dendarii917 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendarii917 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 04/04/11 - GRFP/FastLane will be unavailable from 11:00PM ET Monday, April 4th - 5:00AM ET Tuesday, April 5th for scheduled maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ohcrap, here we go. Suddenly I'm not sure I actually want to know... frenchpress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 O M G GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG OK I take it back, I'm not ready for it!!!! I can't handle the truth!!! frenchpress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Jeanne Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 04/04/11 - GRFP/FastLane will be unavailable from 11:00PM ET Monday, April 4th - 5:00AM ET Tuesday, April 5th for scheduled maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience. And there it is folks.... Yup, thanks for checking. Best of Luck everyone :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violachica Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ohcrap, here we go. Suddenly I'm not sure I actually want to know... exactly the same reaction i had haha frenchpress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna's mama Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I am suddenly petrified!!! This is going to be a punch to the gut..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Last night, Robert Boyle, Hugh of St. Victor, and an animated life size can of Ol' Glory energy drink let me know that the awards would be announced on Tuesday, April 5th at 1 AM, so I'm pretty sure that y'all can stop hittin' F5 and get back to work. Excellent premonition by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Ugh. I am DREADING this. He's always saying things like, "And maybe NSF will fund you!" And I'm sure he'll be like, "Well, maybe next year, doesn't matter, smile and move on"... but still. He wouldn't have encouraged me to apply if he didn't think I had a shot, so I'm not looking forward to having to obsess about whether I let him down. I deleted that post in order to keep people optimistic but at this point, the decision has been made, we'll find out soon enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendarii917 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I deleted that post in order to keep people optimistic but at this point, the decision has been made, we'll find out soon enough! Ditto, you're right, we should spend our last 12+ hours of waiting as positively as possible! :-) It will be very awesome to tell my advisor _good_ news if I win. No one in my department has ever won one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illini2015 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So just to confirm, this happens every year around the time it is expected for the results to be released? Fastlane goes down for maintenance --> results posted around 1 AM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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