marruma Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I am a bit disappointed in his neutral and stale argument, which upon first reading does seem polemical and controversial (though indeed reductive to the digital humanities field--especially in his characterization of digital data collection as the 'reverse' of non-digital literary analysis; how's that for black-and-white myopia). But, he repeats the argument that contextualized readings must coincide with distant readings. Or, humans can work alongside machines--which is ultimately a fair argument to make, that the one should not replace the other and are in fact co-dependent. Although, his reading of Milton is original and innovative (or is it?); and is possible because of the rising significance of distant reading, which prompts my second, more distant reading of the article, which is that he's not really deadset against digital humanities as he would have us believe because of the fact that what he considers an original reading of "Areopagitica" draws from formalist analysis coupled with "matters of statistical frequency and pattern." In other words, he has reaped the harvest of distant reading! Essentially in his repetition of an argument already made in the digital humanities and long-standing (though substantially unacknowledged and marginalized by his efforts on ephemeralizing digital scholarship), he poses as a critic who stands outside the field, and by extension is 'more qualified' to criticize. Which is of course, problematic. Great article though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vordhosbntwin Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 wait... but his point with the milton reading is that it isn't a distant reading. it's a formalist-linguistic reading, but it certainly isn't "possible because of the rising significance of distant reading." as he points out: "The direction of my inferences is critical: first the interpretive hypothesis and then the formal pattern, which attains the status of noticeability only because an interpretation already in place is picking it out. The direction is the reverse in the digital humanities: first you run the numbers, and then you see if they prompt an interpretive hypothesis." he is concerned with "matters of statistical frequency and pattern," but i take his point to be that analysis always has been concerned with such things; the direction of inference of traditional analysis is just entirely opposite of that of the digital humanities. new trends in distant reading don't make possible the kind of analysis he does in the article (see, for instance, Nabokov's frequent use of linguistic tools to perform readings), but in fact perverts the kind of reading he performs. i don't know if i agree with his claims, but i do think the above post is a misreading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marruma Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Right, but then one can argue that a formalist-linguistic reading is distant reading; used to track language, words, letters. For example, in the article he isolates the "chiasmic pattern" between b and p, which is definitely a technique in distant reading. So, if these are remarkably similar, what is the basis of his argument? That one should come first, namely distant reading must follow close reading? Doesn't this then also establish a hierarchy between the different approaches and a kind of 'value judgment'? I admire your close reading and you have really stayed close to the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vordhosbntwin Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 sorry if i seemed biting in my post - i have no desire to defend stanley fish! i think you're right, it does institute a hierarchy. i'll have to think more on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdon19 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Anyone else feel like vomiting at the fact that Duke is bound to start notifying soon? I know I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cquin Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Anyone else feel like vomiting at the fact that Duke is bound to start notifying soon? I know I do. Vomit and weep is more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivandub Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Just got an email from Duke (Literature) with an invitation to attend 'prospectives weekend,' Feb 17-18. Excited! They also say in the message: "Our final admissions decisions will be made closer to March 1." Has anyone else heard anything? Edited January 30, 2012 by ivandub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelK Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hey congratulations Ivandub. I've not received anything in my inbox, but it's fantastic that you're in. Best of luck at the interviews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cquin Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just got an email from Duke with an invitation to attend 'prospectives weekend,' Feb 17-18. Excited! They also say in the message: "Our final admissions decisions will be made closer to March 1." Has anyone else heard anything? OH LORD. Here comes the aforementioned vomiting and weeping. Nope, nothing in my inbox... Are you Lit or English, ivandub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivandub Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm for the Literature program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cquin Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well, congratulations! That's great news for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin=Goal Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Congratulations and good luck prepping for the big weekend! That should be amazingly fun, in addition to nerve wracking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivandub Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Thanks all for the congrats. Now there's just the stress of figuring out if I'll be able to go to the interviews (I live overseas so it wouldn't be easy). From the email it sounds like they can make arrangements for those who can't make it to the weekend and wouldn't simply dismiss their applications, but still I'm sure those who attend the weekend will be at some advantage Edited January 30, 2012 by ivandub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0000000000AAA Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I know this question is asked a lot...but this is for literature or English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelK Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I know this question is asked a lot...but this is for literature or English? Asked and answered above. Ivandub's for Lit. Grunty DaGnome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolherc Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Congrats Ivandub!! ...now to go to my email and refresh constantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelK Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Looks like you're already batting 100 koolherc. Congrats: where'd you have success at already, if you don't mind my asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vordhosbntwin Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 man, i really hope that they haven't sent them all out already. now i am nervous as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cquin Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Common sense seems to suggest that they would send all the invitations out all at once, but I am fiercely clinging to the hope that I have at least until the end of the day to receive an email... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelK Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 You guys all apply lit? I'm waiting on the English side of things (and hoping against hope that the two divisions don't work on the same schedule). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vordhosbntwin Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 i'm lit yeah. last year the interview notifications went out at different times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vordhosbntwin Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 looks like someone else was also notified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubergine Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Congrats, Ivandub! I choose to remain hopeful as well... although Duke Lit would be a weird fit for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzian Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I got the interview e-mail this morning, too, much to my utter amazement (I'm one of the two on the results board). I assume it was the same email that ivandub received (congrats! message me if you like and we can trade info and neuroses). Good luck to everybody who's still waiting - here's hoping for a second wave of positive e-mails for you! Aubergine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzian Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 And! Let this be encouragement to those who worry about stats and such, as mine are hardly stratospheric: GPA: 3.24 (major 3.4) V: 690 Q: 630 W: 5.5 My primary interest is memory (and forgetting and nostalgia) in (post-)socialist/communist/soviet lit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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