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On 8/31/2018 at 10:17 PM, ResilientDreams said:
Where's everyone at in the application process so far? I think I finally finalized my list of schools and I'm working on my statement of purpose now.
Sent in most of my apps and SOPs. Prodding my recommenders to send in LORs. Some schools also don't have updated apps online yet so I'm waiting on that (esp the PSYCAS schools since PSYCAS doesn't update for the new year until Sept 13th).
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For those of y'all who want to study health disparities, minority mental health, multiculturalism, etc, I suggest you look into PhD programs in Counseling Psychology as well. Those are some big tenets of Counseling Psych and you'll find some amazing programs. University of Houston's counseling program has at least 3 researchers who focus on Hispanic and/or African-American mental health, if not more.
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Just spent the day doing apps. I'm starting to get really nervous about the GRE - my scores from undergrad expired a few months, and I'm so terrified that my upcoming retake is going to be so much worse. It's been a long time since I've done math, y'all!
Hope everyone else is doing well!
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Hey folks! Just checking in again. I made my FINAL list and am starting to write SOPs/get LORs/fill out apps. Ahhhhh I can't believe it's actually happening!!
- Antioch University (Clinical PsyD)
- University of North Texas (Counseling PhD)
- LIU Brooklyn (Clinical PhD)
- Drexel University (Clinical PhD)
- U Hartford (Clinical PsyD)
- Suffolk University (Clinical PhD)
- Xavier University (Clinical PsyD)
- Rutgers (Clinical PsyD)
- Springfield College (Counseling PsyD)
- Yeshiva University (Clinical PsyD)
- William James College (Clinical PsyD) <-- safety
- Northeastern University (Counseling PhD)
- Chestnut Hill (Clinical PsyD)
- Immaculata University (Clinical PsyD)
Good luck everyone!
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There is also this tried and true job board. It's full of spam, but you can easily pick out the legitimate posts by how many views there are.
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On 3/26/2018 at 3:27 PM, H1ppocampus said:
This girl is going to Philly! Heading to Temple for clinical psychology.
Tough one to get into and one of my reach schools for next year. Congrats!!
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9 minutes ago, liznlex said:
I feel like the programs that have made it to the "accredited on contingency" point by the APA would be at least a little safer, but most are psyds with a price tag that makes me sweat !
APA has a time limit as to when they can apply, which is why UHCL and KCUMB (among others) haven't gotten accredited yet. They need (I think) 3 years of student data in order to put forth the proposal. So the fact that they are unaccredited doesn't necessarily mean they're shit programs, it just means they haven't been open long enough. I know UHCL in particular has very strong ties with agencies and extern/practica placements in the area, and the school in general is fairly good. When you hear folks say not to go unaccredited, it is because of the difficulty you will have 1) getting internship placement in your 5th year, and 2) getting licensed in some states. Assuming your school gets to the application and/or contingency phase before your 5th year, you should be fine. I definitely get the concern, but I would be much more willing to attend an unaccredited program like UHCL vs. something sketchy like Cal Southern (which purposefully refuses to apply for APA accreditation... probably because they know they wouldn't get it =P)
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On 4/16/2018 at 4:50 PM, TeacherTurningSocialWorker said:
LMHCs have a difficult time getting hired for insurance purposes at clinical settings, from what I’ve heard from actual PhDs in clinical psych. LCSWs are more desirable, therefore it is a safer route to go than MHC
This is not necessarily true - it depends on your state. I'm going to assume based on your schools in your signature that you're in New York, one state where it is absolutely true that LMHCs are a terrible choice, and LCSWs have all the power.
California, however, gives all the power to the MFTs and LMHC/LPC wasn't even a license choice until 2009!
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9 minutes ago, fuzzylogician said:
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Thanks for this - and I mean it. Having a stranger on the internet give good advice is rarer than it sounds.
I am really, really bad about hiding behind my imposter syndrome. I'm actually terrified that it will come out during interviews and I'll essentially shoot myself in the foot. I might have to take a taste of my own medicine and get some counseling to help work through this so I'm not a ball of anxiety throughout the interview process.
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On 4/3/2018 at 12:29 PM, Jayne said:
I'm about to enter Yeshiva's PhD program and I do ED research! I applied to
Reach schools -
Temple, Drexel, Stony Brook, University of South Florida, Rutgers (PsyD)
Reasonable schools to get in to -
Fairleigh Dickinson, Yeshiva, Long Island University (Brooklyn), CUNY, La Salle (PsyD), Chestnut Hill (PsyD), Pace (PsyD)
I got waitlisted at FDU, La Salle, and Chestnut Hill and accepted at Pace and Yeshiva. All are good programs to look into if you're interested in working with eating disorders!
Also as far as experience goes you sound pretty competitive. I applied right out of undergrad with 2 years of research experience and some good clinical volunteer and internship experience and didn't get in. Now I have a masters in general psych from a research focused program with 2 poster presentations, 5 doctoral level courses with an A or A- grade, 2 years in a graduate research lab, and 2 more years of clinical experience and I got into 2 programs and interviewed at 5.
Thanks for sharing this! It definitely gives me hope (and also confirms my interests in ED research). I also really appreciate you breaking down your research/match schools as it gives me some sense of where to target my apps. Who is your prof/POI at Yeshiva?
37 minutes ago, Clinapp2017 said:Attending an unaccredited program will create lots of nightmares down the line if your goal is to practice (e.g., severe barriers to licensure and internship). I would seriously advise against this.
I wouldn't paint it so black and white. UHCL has good reputation in the area (and many of the other programs - MFT, etc.) are accredited. They will be applying for APA probably this or next year, and I expect that by the time a student is up for internship match, the program will probably be accredited. I was considering the UHCL program for a while before I decided I really didn't want to stay in Texas. KCUMB is another unaccredited program that seems like it will pass accreditation fairly easily, and I'm considering it as one of my safeties.
@liznlex: if you're okay with taking a chance on programs in the initial stages of accreditation, here's a list: http://www.apa.org/ed/accreditation/programs/initial-accred.aspx
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On 3/28/2018 at 12:19 PM, rosesandrecords said:
As you can see, I'm aiming to attend school in the South. I currently live near Boston and I'm sick of the weather! I'd love to return home to Texas, but I don't think I can afford to make my applications THAT narrow...
Looking forward to navigating this application season with y'all!
This is hilarious - I'm currently living in Texas (my home state) but desperately want to get back to Boston (where I did my undergrad). We should just switch ?
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Honestly, I think hanging around SDN has really skewed my perception of how much research a person actually needs to attend a graduate degree program.
Quick background: I'm in an MA in Counseling program right now and am interested primarily in practice over academia. I'm applying to several well-known PsyD and practice-oriented PhD programs and - thanks to fiance's good earning potential - am not too (keyword) concerned about price. My masters in counseling is also license eligible and I plan to work part-time with that while pursuing the PsyD (and have selected programs that are okay with that).
My research experience:
- 2 years in a behavioral economics group (at a top tier busines school - I was an aspiring economist in undergrad, but it was actually very psychologically inclined)
- 1 year in a state department of health analyzing public health data
- 1 year in a multicultural counseling lab (resulted in 3 posters, no papers)
- 1 year in a personality lab (resulted in 1 poster)
- 2 years in an anxiety disorders lab (might result in a paper)
It sounds like a lot on paper, but I haven't been productive at all. 3 posters seems like child's play when I see other applicants with multiple papers, some with first author status. There is no thesis option in my master's program.
My Plan B if I don't get into a program is to spend a year working part-time as a research coordinator and part-time as a therapist (to get both research/clinical balance). But still, I don't know how much a year of research coordinator work is going to improve on my lackluster application.
tl;dr - NO RESEARCH EXP. PANICKING HARDCORE. HALP.
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Are you studying for the April or the Sept/Oct exams?
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On 3/16/2018 at 5:03 PM, Jayne said:
I applied to clinical psych programs and was advised by several people not to mention my history with an eating disorder in my personal statements -- this was a big reason why I got into psychology in the first place. I did it anyway. I applied to 12 programs, interviewed at 5, waitlisted at 3, and admitted to 2 (one of which was my top choice!)
How were you tastefully able to include your ED experience in your statement? I have a similar background (it's the reason I got into psychology and I want to do research in the area) but I don't want it to come across as if I don't have an identity beyond "recovered anorexic" .___.
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Okay I'm jumping the gun a little, but I'm starting to narrow down my application list and wanted to connect with anyone who is planning on applying for fall 2019 matriculation!
My focus is in Clinical or Counseling Psychology, with a primary research interest in eating disorders. The list thus far:
- Top choices: UNT (PhD Counseling), Rutgers (PsyD Clinical), Northeastern (PhD Counseling), Springfield (PsyD Counseling), Yeshiva (PsyD Clinical), LIU Brooklyn (PhD Clinical), Adelphi (PhD Clinical)
- Mid-level choices: Xavier (PsyD Clinical), CCNY (PhD Clinical), Suffolk (PhD Clinical), IUP (PsyD Clinical), UHartford (PsyD Clinical), UIndy (PsyD Clinical), Fairleigh Dickinson (PhD Clinical), Drexel (PhD Clinical)
- Safeties: KCUMB (PsyD Clinical - new program, not APA yet), Chestnut Hill College (PsyD Clinical), Immaculata (PsyD Clinical), PCOM (PsyD Clinical)
- Reeeeeach: UNC-Chapel Hill (PhD Clinical), Emory (PhD Clinical), WashU (PhD Clinical), Univ of Kansas (PhD Clinical), Miami University of Ohio (PhD Clinical), UNC-Charlotte (PhD Clinical)
Still a long list, but I'm taking my time chipping away at it. I'm hoping to apply to ~15 programs and choose based on practicum experiences (I want at least 2-3 full years in community clinics) and research match.
What are y'all thinking?
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A "crazy" proposition that I actually heavily considered several years ago: Spend a year traveling around East Asia, taking class at all the top dance schools, auditioning to become a K-pop or J-pop star and/or backup dancer, and generally honing my dance skills.
As you can see, that didn't pan out too well.
Another backup plan I had for a while was to enlist in the military...........
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3 hours ago, juilletmercredi said:
This will be a very cold comfort, but please do know that those years of getting ripped to shreds actually do help you later on in life. I finished my PhD in 2014 and I currently work in a non-academic industry job. When my manager or senior peers give me feedback on my work, I barely blink an eye, because corporate feedback generally isn't anywhere near as bad as academic feedback (and my advisor was still relatively tame). I'm far better at taking feedback and criticism in both my professional and personal life because of my experience during my doctoral program.
I worked in corporate getting torn to shreds before academia and never batted an eye (investment banking... literally had books thrown in my face before). For some reason it was a lot easier to shrug and say, "Ah, that's how it is" when I was dealing with a bunch of fratty men. But for some reason there's something about my advisor that rubs me the wrong way
I appreciate the rest of your post though. I like your bit about trying to reframe it into a more positive light. Ironic, as I tell my clinical patients to do that all the livelong day and I can barely do it myself haha!
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I know she means well. I know she came from Russia, where a more blunt approach and sharp tone is common (I had a Russian piano teacher growing up, maybe it's unresolved trauma haha). I know she just wants me to succeed.
But damn, it sucks that every time I walk into her office to go over progress, she essentially invalidates everything that I've done. I know I'm not making sufficient progress on my thesis, but dammit I'm trying. I didn't have research experience coming into the program, nor did I major in psychology, so a lot of concepts are still new to me (effect size? what's that?) I came in today with a proposal revision I was so proud of and I feel like she ripped it to shreds in front of my eyes.
It's causing me a great deal of anxiety but I don't know how to bring it up with her, because she has very legitimate points and I know I suck. I guess I'm just feeling intimidated and ashamed that I'm not doing better.
Sorry, just needed to rant
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Skitch. They discontinued the app a couple years ago but you can still find downloads for it on the Internet.
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3 hours ago, meep95 said:
I am wanting to continue to PhD as well, but I am finding a lot of my professors at my program are very discouraging about that and keep trying to emphasize how counseling and psychology are different, and if we want to do clinical phd later why are we in this program now (although i may go a counseling psych route, who knows). We have an optional thesis as part of our program, and a lot of the professors keep saying "i recommend that you don't do the thesis" in class. When they talk about getting PhD its almost always in the context of a Counselor Education and Supervision, which is not the path I think I want to take. How did you manage to get experience in an ED clinic? That sounds so interesting to me!
Wow. Are you me / in my program? This is my EXACT experience. I come in to office hours and make very clear that I have decided to pursue a PhD and am looking for guidance, but so many of my profs encourage me to either 1) not do a PhD, or 2) consider Counselor Education & Supervision. Their arguments are the same - counseling/psych is different, Counselor Ed would be shorter, less work, blahblah. It's frustrating, because I didn't come in to be talked out of my career goals! I just need some support from my professors but it's difficult to figure out who I can turn to. My experimental psych professors are largely all neuro/cog/developmental, so they're not super familiar with the clinical psych landscape.
The ED clinic was my internship for the CMHC program
We're required to do a minimum of 2 semesters of internship, but I will actually have 4 semesters worth just because of how scheduling worked out.
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I'm applying to both clinical and counseling psychology programs (I chose programs based on my research interest). While I have generally good stats and broad experience, I don't think my research is going to be strong enough...
Undergrad GPA: 3.0 (first bachelor's in economics), 4.0 (second bachelor's in psychology)
Masters GPA: 4.0 (counseling) and 4.0 (experimental psychology)
(I did a dual-degree masters program so I could get both clinical and research experience!)GRE: 165/165/5.0
Research experience:
- 3 years behavioral economics
- 1 year vocational psychology
- 2 years clinical psychology (multiple labs)
- 5 (maybe more coming) poster presentations at national conferences (APA, etc.)
- No pubs. I'm trying so damn hard but sometimes it's luck of the draw (e.g. had 1 manuscript rejected just last month)
- 2 masters theses (I'm hoping to revise and publish but definitely won't happen before applications)
Clinical experience:
- Community clinic (for lower SES population)
- University counseling center
- Eating disorders clinic
Other things to consider:
- Research interest = disordered eating and exercise, particularly among athletes
- Theoretical orientation = psychodynamic
- I worked full time through my two masters degrees. Would not recommend doing this x____x;;
- I am not at a research institution and because of geography, cannot collaborate with a research institution (literally, there isn't one within 25 miles of me...) Therefore, publishing ability is few and far between.
- I'm applying widely to both "top tier" schools (e.g. UNC-Chapel Hill) and also more "match" schools (e.g. Kansas University)
- Dream school = University of North Texas <3
I'm applying for Fall 2019, not Fall 2018, so I essentially have a year left to improve my application as much as possible. Any thoughts? I feel like my first undergrad GPA is going to be a thorn in my side, along with the lack of research productivity
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Another explanation is that I sometimes depends on the department/college granting the degree. Psychology departments housed in colleges of liberal arts, for example, will tend to give the M.A.
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Licensure. Educational psychologists are generally not eligible for licensure as school psychologists. The former tends to be a PhD whereas the latter tends to me masters, specialist, or doctoral.
Think of school psychologists as the clinicians who provide services to school populations.
Educational psychology is more about the theory of learning and the theory of educational systems. Study environments, learning outcomes, etc.
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