Dialectica

Haha, no worries! I totally understand!

I understand! Again, if I may, where did you decide to go?

Why the sad face? That's a good thing, yeah?

If I may, you should probably decide soon, as your declination will likely result in some significant movement, whichever way you decide to go. That said, I know this is by no means an easy decision.

Anyone know if Austin's (hidden) waitlist is still moving? Just waiting on them at this point, and it's difficult to get a detailed answer out of them.

Likely. But, I'm still waiting to hear back from Riverside and Austin. They've both simply said that I need to wait.

Rejected off the waitlist at UMass. This hurts. I was one spot away.

In the spirit of venting: UGH there's a lot of movement happening today, but none on my end!!! Also, I can't wait for this to be over!!

Presumably, they are prioritizing getting a job, which I think is wise. But, you're certainly correct that one should pick a program considering how well it will develop them as an academic generally, and a philosopher in particular—one shouldn't *merely* consider ranking and placement. But, I don't think this consideration makes prioritizing job placement really misguided. That's my take anyway.

I understand where you're coming from. I'd be thrilled to be at such a place! But, I also understand the desire to do better, given the job market; this is especially understandable when one hasn't gone through an MA program and, presumably, has the chance to do better (given the stipulations above).

Alot of people would think this is very risky. I think it all depends on what sort of work you're able to produce and what sort of letters you're able to acquire. For instance, I had a friend a few years back that applied and was in at a top-30. He decided he thought he could do better coming out of a well-"ranked" MA program. His advisors agreed—and I think that might be most important, what your advisors/letter writers think. He attended the MA program, did very well, and is now at a top 15-ish program. That route worked out very well for him.

So exciting seeing all the big declinations reported in the facebook group! I wish more were posted here!

Just curious (now that I know I'm in limbo with Riverside and Austin): anyone with offers/waitlists at either Riverside or Austin plan on declining?

Just a friendly reminder to decline your offers you know you won't take. I know for a fact that people sit on offers needlessly every year (or almost every year). Things get very, very complicated and frustrating, for both applicants and programs, on April 15th—best to alleviate that as much as we can!

Right. It's not that it's merely a critique of someone's personal habits; it's about behaviors that are discourteous and unprofessional, even if only mildly so.

On a related note. An inordinate number of philosophers I've come into contact with are *very* loud eaters. That is, they eat with their mouths open with every chew. It's very annoying, and it's hard to believe that many people can be so socially unaware. But, it persists.

Received a response this morning. I'm officially in limbo.

Anyone else try contacting Riverside for a status update and come up with nothing?

I was certainly hoping so. Hoping for some movement this week, and not just during the last few days of this stressful process!

Got that Chapel Hill rejection, finally! Now just waiting for Riverside and Austin.

Just removed myself from the waitlist at British Columbia. I hope this helps someone!

Right. That seems to be the important upshot here: communication. Even if, for instance, we received an email from those limbo programs communicating what Dr. Paul did in her comment, that would be an improvement.

Everyone see the hidden waitlist post on Leiter this morning? LA Paul's comment is illuminating (at least, for UNC). I think there might now be an argument to try and schedule visits sooner (and so to release initial decisions sooner).

Still need to hear from Riverside, Austin, Rochester, and Chapel Hill. I'm not necessarily hopeful, I just want it to be done with already.

Come on! Just send out the rejections already!!!! Put us out of our misery and let us decide where we will go, if anywhere!!