ringo2009 Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 I heard 80,000 applicants. Oh my! Are there really 80,000 people who want to labor in academia? I thought we were a rare breed :-). If that is the case then selecting around 4000 combined Awards and HM is a pretty great accomplishment!
waddle Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 https://www.nsfgradfellows.org/about_the_program/statistics_of_past_recipients more like 9,000, out of which 1,000 are selected
kkompiles Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 https://www.nsfgradf...past_recipients more like 9,000, out of which 1,000 are selected Hmmm...and linked off of that page: https://www.nsfgradfellows.org/about_the_program/fellow_profiles They list Sergey Brin (Google co-founder) as one of their highlighted recipient profiles. Funny that he never graduated.... Haha I think it turned out for him alright.
ringo2009 Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 https://www.nsfgradf...past_recipients more like 9,000, out of which 1,000 are selected That sounds more reasonable. I was highly surprised by the 80k number. If its based on last years numbers they give like 2000 awards and about 1500 HM. Sbt
Xavi6 Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Although its appears to be an exercise in guesswork, does anyone have a handle on when the results will be posted? Mid-March? Late March? Early April?
husky Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Although its appears to be an exercise in guesswork, does anyone have a handle on when the results will be posted? Mid-March? Late March? Early April? I've heard it's late April/early May.
Steven Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) The NSF website says (right on the front page) that they anticipate early April. I just checked and I got my rejection last year on April 6, and that was despite the actual panel meetings being delayed by bad weather. I don't think there's any reason to be that pessimistic. Edited March 7, 2011 by Steven
anotherflunky Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Is that what they promised as well last year (early April)?
kkompiles Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 It's late March / early April. From creeping around on the "results search": 6 Apr 2010 10 Apr 2009 (actual announcement) / 2 Apr 2009 (accidentally posted online via "new password trick") 31 Mar 2008 24 Mar 2007
t_ruth Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Nice, thanks. I took them at their word it would be early April--though the password trick was 2008, wasn't it? Not 2009...I applied for 2009 (first time) and remember everyone talking about the inadvertent release of winners the previous year.
kkompiles Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Nice, thanks. I took them at their word it would be early April--though the password trick was 2008, wasn't it? Not 2009...I applied for 2009 (first time) and remember everyone talking about the inadvertent release of winners the previous year. Hmmm...all I know is what i scraped off the "results" search. Hahah, maybe it happened twice!! What is "the password trick"? Do you just request a new password? Or is a URL manipulation?
Tsujiru Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 As Krypton said, if you have external funding, you won't be getting internal funding as well. Since external funding is usually way higher.... It works out. It depends to some extent on the program- my program allows for funding to 125% of the level of the highest departmental fellowship.... Also, even if the tuition waiver from the external fellowship won't completely cover your tuition, most universities will keep you on a full tuition waiver. I think it depends on the program. At mine, for any fellowship you win you get 10% of its value on top of what you earned from internal funding. It's basically an incentive to apply.
ringo2009 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I think it depends on the program. At mine, for any fellowship you win you get 10% of its value on top of what you earned from internal funding. It's basically an incentive to apply. Are you saying that if you received external funding for $10k and an external fellowship for 30k, they would give you $13k or would they give you, $43k?
Krypton Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Neither. They would give Tsujiru $3k internal, for $33k total. Tsujiru 1
Tsujiru Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Are you saying that if you received external funding for $10k and an external fellowship for 30k, they would give you $13k or would they give you, $43k? Yeah, Krypton has it right. We start off as "fully funded" by the program so 10% of the value of the fellowship plus what we already earn typically puts us over the total value of the fellowship.
Eigen Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I think it depends on the program. At mine, for any fellowship you win you get 10% of its value on top of what you earned from internal funding. It's basically an incentive to apply. I guess I should clarify... What I meant was that I don't think any school will let you completely "stack" multiple fellowships. My school is similar to yours, except we can go up to 25% of the value over our internal funding. There's no way my school is letting me stack an internal fellowship for 30k and an external fellowship for 30k, however.
awvish Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I've been hearing nasty rumors that the budget situation is going to do a number on the GRFs. Either the decisions will be made (i.e. applications ranked) and they won't have a budget so they won't be able to disburse money, or they won't have money to award... Or the number of GRFs will be drastically decrease. Can anyone contradict these rumors? (Please?)
kkompiles Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I've been hearing nasty rumors that the budget situation is going to do a number on the GRFs. Either the decisions will be made (i.e. applications ranked) and they won't have a budget so they won't be able to disburse money, or they won't have money to award... Or the number of GRFs will be drastically decrease. Can anyone contradict these rumors? (Please?) They're probably do like the did in 2009. (see more info on the GRFP forum here from 2009) http://blogs.asee.org/fellowships/2009/04/10/nsf-grfp-awards-announced/ But really, until the budget passes and we get out of the Continuing Resolution nonsense, this budget (pg MPS- 5) is up in the air. http://www.nsf.gov/about/budget/fy2011/pdf/09-MPS_fy2011.pdf
kkompiles Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) But really, until the budget passes and we get out of the Continuing Resolution nonsense, this budget (pg MPS- 5) is up in the air. http://www.nsf.gov/a...-MPS_fy2011.pdf However, I highly doubt there will be "drastic" cuts, but I think this year we don't have ARRA$. Look though the FastLane awards: 2010 - 2051 awards (sup'ed up by the ARRA that year, see pdf above, dang shoulda applied last year!) 2009 - 1248 awards 2008 - 913 awards 2007 - 920 awards 2006- 909 awards 2005 - 1024 awards 2004 - 1020 awards 2003 - 900 awards 2002 - 900 awards 2001 - 903 awards 2000 - 850 awards 1999 - 900 awards 1998 - 894 awards 1997 - 992 awards 1996 - 891 awards (and note that this was the year of aftermath budget crisis from the federal shutdown in 1995/early 1996. seemed to come out alright!) 1995 - 830 awards 1994 - 1093 awards 1993 - 904 awards 1992 - 898 awards Edited March 12, 2011 by kkompiles
BlueRose Posted March 13, 2011 Author Posted March 13, 2011 However, I highly doubt there will be "drastic" cuts, but I think this year we don't have ARRA$. Look though the FastLane awards: 2010 - 2051 awards (sup'ed up by the ARRA that year, see pdf above, dang shoulda applied last year!) 2009 - 1248 awards 2008 - 913 awards ... Yeah, I should've applied last year too. *devious thoughts* However...suppose there is a return to 2008 numbers. The number of people who got NSF last year, who would not have without ARRA, is around 1,000. These people are out of the applicant pool. Some would have aged out anyway, and some wouldn't have bothered to reapply...but that's probably at least 500 of the strongest applications that are no longer in the pool. (Not that this helps me; I'm still a pre-grad. Most of my competition wasn't eligible last year. The dilution effect will only apply to current first/second year grads.)
chaospaladin Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 As Krypton said, if you have external funding, you won't be getting internal funding as well. Since external funding is usually way higher.... It works out. It depends to some extent on the program- my program allows for funding to 125% of the level of the highest departmental fellowship.... Also, even if the tuition waiver from the external fellowship won't completely cover your tuition, most universities will keep you on a full tuition waiver. Does internal funding refer to like Research Assistantship and Teaching Assistantship and external funding refer to like NSF and Hertz?
waddle Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Does internal funding refer to like Research Assistantship and Teaching Assistantship and external funding refer to like NSF and Hertz? Yes. In general, internal funding comes from your school, external comes from, well, external sources.
chaospaladin Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) What exactly is the fellowship money used for? Is it used to fund your research project or can it be used for anything? Let's say if the total amount of fellowship money awarded exceeds the cost of attendance of a school and someone gets extra fellowship money afterwards, are they allowed to use the extra money to let say pay off their undergraduate student loan debt or something? EDIT: Just like how in undergraduate education how your total financial aid package cannot exceed the total cost of attendance, do graduate schools have this policy with fellowships and teaching assistantships? I keep on hearing how some programs can't let you exceed 100% of the cost of attendance while some programs offer a "grace threshold" of 110% of the cost of attendance and 125% of the cost of attendance. Edited March 13, 2011 by chaospaladin
Eigen Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) Generally, both assistantships and fellowships have two parts- the tuition waiver (pays your tuition) and a stipend (salary), ranging from 10k-30k per year. The stipend can be used for whatever you want, and you pay taxes on it. I've never heard of anywhere doing figures based on "cost of attendance", but that's just me. Edited March 13, 2011 by Eigen
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