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  1. Arguably the most popular subject on this message board, lol my suggestion is to figure out what the monthly payment is going to be on your loans, once the loans are due. calculate this number, take a look long, hard look at it, and ask yourself: is it worth it? how long will I have to make these monthly payments? 10 yrs? 30? will I ever pay them off? it's the sort of program that could burden you with debt for (literally) the rest of your life if you're not careful, so, be careful I guess. Personally I don't recommend it. there are all sorts of problems with the program in addition
  2. never said that they lie about it, and never said that they fail to produce or attract good writers
  3. sure, that's true. but my point is just that the decision to attend this particular program is inextricably a financial one, and almost always a bad financial decision at that (unless you're super rich) That doesn't mean it's a bad decision per se. sometimes people go into debt for this degree and get exactly what they want out of it. but, again, it's important just to be honest about the financial costs. If you accept those, then fine. But I think people frequently go into it without a full understanding of what they're getting into. It's usually a horrible financial decision
  4. And even then, it better be a hefty trust fund lol Unless you have access to what many of us would consider to be unlimited wealth, I think that Columbia is basically always an irrational financial choice, though it is one that, yes, occasionally pays off in the form of literary (i.e., not financial) success. If you're lucky enough to have, like, $100k in unearned change lying around (which wouldn't even cover 2 years of tuition, I believe) i honestly suggest you just go buy a house instead The Columbia MFA is just always such a bad investment, even in the rare instances in which it
  5. I know Iowa is fully cool with second MFAs, but not sure beyond that. I would join the Draft and PhD Draft groups on Facebook if you haven't already. They'll have more info
  6. This is so true lmao Some of the criticism of Columbia seems like it's genuinely in good faith, but a lot of it seems to be about boosting the self esteem of a small group of recent grads (of funded programs) more than anything else In general, I think it's nice when grads share their knowledge in that group. But sometimes it's clear that the advice they're giving is more about making themselves feel good, and less about, like, sharing useful knowledge or bringing anyone into the loop on a particular issue or anything like that, which is part of why I left in the end. That and I need
  7. Gustav always likes to hate on the Johns Hopkins MA in particular for some reason and, yeah, fine. Whatever. It's expensive and less selective, but it does work for some people. Chimamanda Ngozi Adiche, for example. Just a reminder to please ignore this person lol
  8. I will say though that, for me, I know I'd be more productive -- and certainly also healthier -- working a full-time job and writing on the side than I would be at a program where I was financially insecure
  9. yeah, I mean again, the teaching load is relatively light, as we both point out, and maybe you're okay with this sort of setup. to each their own
  10. Important to look at specifics though, bc I know Bowling Green in particular has a low stipend (of about $11k) with about $1k-3k in fees, depending on whether or not you plan to purchase insurance, which is required. So, in a situation like that, it's like: is it really worth it? and would we really call it "fully funded?" Maybe your answer to both questions is yes, but $8k-9k is really a small salary for 9 months of work anyway, sorry. only chiming in because Bowling Green is one I wrote off specifically for that reason. Relatively low teaching load though, which is nice
  11. haha no but it's actually more useful this time, because people are starting to get calls, and will have to make decisions soon. so, not a bad thing.
  12. also just fyi: my guess is that Sally is the latest reincarnation of Gustav/Gertrude/Marshall lol. They seem to pop up whenever we regress back into this Columbia conversation
  13. Many of them are also quite famous and simply not interested in teaching (this according to grads) Like others, I strongly advise against going into debt for the Columbia MFA, and doubly advise against it if they're not giving you one of their (very small) funding packages, the simple reason there being that the faculty have their favorites, and those favorites are generally the people with funding. So, if you're totally unfunded, you may be paying for access that doesn't exist
  14. Yes, definitely. Also, it's just true that people -- editors, agents, other writers, etc -- give greater deference to Brown MFAs than they do to folks with MFAs from other, less selective/prestigious programs. For better or worse, it does improve your chances of success. Might as well just be honest about that Also, personally, I live in Providence lmao (I didn't actually apply to Brown this year, but I will apply next round, assuming that I don't get full funding at the one place where I applied)
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