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I am fine with my usage of that word. You are doing yourself and others a disservice by promoting a reckless and doomed plan of study. An MFA has very little weight in the humanities (in programs that offer credit for MAs it usually isn't accepted) so I'm not sure why you think this gives you authority on this topic. I mean I guess if your goal is financial ruin, go right ahead. In my decade of higher education I have only met 2 Art History PhD students who had "different goals for attending graduate school" (aka not to find a TT or museum job). One was the wife of a tech billionaire and one was essentially a trust fund socialite.

I'm sorry but this is terrible advice. There are infinite career paths beyond restaurant server and teacher that would provide significantly more stability than a PhD program. Also academia is chock full of disillusioned queer people. Not sure if it's the paradise you're looking for. And re: your final point... I have attended low/medium ranked and high ranked programs for my graduate education and anyone who says that lower ranked schools are a better experience is lying or delusional. It's the difference between a 15k and 35k stipend. It's the difference between having a fast tracked application to funding opportunities vs not even knowing they exist. It's the difference between having a guaranteed 6 years of funding vs never knowing if you will have to take out a loan to pay your rent or lose your health insurance at the end of the semester. Ok maybe your advisor will be "nicer" at a lower ranked program, but a letter from them won't go as far on the job market or during fellowship season. You certainly have a lot of advice for someone who has never attended an Art History PhD program of any kind.

You don't need an MA to be accepted into a medieval art PhD program, but you do need Latin, German and French. Most Americans do not have these qualifications when they finish their BA so they need to get an MA. When I say Latin, German and French I mean *actual* knowledge of these languages, as in the equivalent of a 2nd year university level or higher. Medievalists cannot fake their way out of language requirements in the same way as many other fields can. If you don't have advanced knowledge of German you simply cannot write a dissertation on medieval art. Professors at top programs generally will not even look at an applicant that doesn't have at least 2/3 at the time of application. It's shouldn't be difficult to find potential advisors - just look at who has written recent publications you are citing/reading and google them.

You need a PhD to be a curator. Don't bother with a museum studies degree. Unless you work at one of those museums with a staff of 2 they will not let you anywhere near curatorial with a museum studies degree. You need to do a little more research in the field. Curators at university museums have PhDs from elite universities and have held top post-docs. I'm not sure what a "mid range state museum" is.

I want to second and third the posts by wt2020 and vivodito. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT DO IT. It's not worth it and it will only lead to misery and financial insecurity. I attend arguably THE TOP program there is and the vast majority of my classmates are absolutely miserable. It doesn't matter that we have publications, top fellowships and big name LORs - our job prospects vanished virtually overnight and the university refuses to use its considerable resources to help us in any real way. We will not get jobs in Academia. This is absolutely a lost cause and no good will come from pursuing academia. The only people who I think should be applying right now are those that are seriously independently wealthy and do not need to work for a living. An Art History PhD no longer leads to a job in academia.

Out of curiosity - what controversies are you referring to?

If you want to study Medieval I would prioritize Latin, then German, then French. Latin is definitely the most important, so you should being right away. Learning Latin first will also help you immensely with German, because it sounds like you have not studied a case language before. If you are already strong in Italian I would not worry so much about French - I imagine you can probably already make a go of it just using your Italian. Probably a semester of French for Reading is all you will need. Not to be harsh, but unless you are committed to devoting 2-3 years of INTENSIVE study to Russian it is probably too late (and not worth it) to get involved with a Russian topic.

What are the programs? Happy to talk over PM if you want to keep things more anonymous.

I think that in your specific circumstance you should give it another try. It sounds like you are in the final year of your MA, so waiting to re-apply when you have completed the thesis will be an asset to your application. You will have more perspective on your research goals and agenda, a better writing sample, and your letter writers will be able to write substantively about your thesis. I know that many people apply to top programs as undergrads or during the 2nd year of their MA, but when I was applying I was strongly advised to wait until my MA was completed. I resented the advice and didn't want to take it, but I'm positive I would not have been as successful of an applicant if I had not waited. Re: POIs, I would not try to push to much of a relationship with POIs, especially at top programs. These people barely have anytime for their own students and might be turned off if they think a perspective student is going to take up too much of their time.

If you are looking at the PHD this is a no brainer. Go to IFA. IFA is arguably one the top five (if not top 2 or 3) programs in existence, when it comes to placements and fellowships. UIUC is two, maybe three tiers below. IFA used to be very cut throat in the past because they made students compete for funding and there was a two-tiered funded/unfunded hierarchy within the student body, but apparently this is no longer the case and everyone is funded at the same rate. If you've been accepted to the MA I would have the opposite advice. The IFA MA is a major "cash cow" program, and unless you are independently wealthy it's not worth going into $100k+ debt over.

Absolutely agree. As long as you can afford the application fees I think prospective students should apply to all programs that interest them regardless of whether the program seems to have good funding or not. When I was applying for MA programs I applied to a school that "on paper" was unfunded, but the advisor was perfect fit for my research so I just went for it anyways. Well it turned out that my advisor felt the same way, because she was able to secure a funding package for me that was normally only given to PhD admits. Another example - a friend of mine was IN LOVE with the one year MA program at U Chicago despite everyone telling him it was a dirty pay-to-play cash cow scheme for the university. Well he applied anyways and was one of the .000001% of people who get a full tuition waiver. You really never know what is going to happen, so just apply.

I don't really think it's possible to rank Art History programs in the same way that you can rank, say business, law or medical schools. The sample sizes are too small and their are too many variables at play. Like for example... MIT is probably the "top" program if you were to go by placement and award stats alone, but it's a tiny program with an extremely limited faculty and accepts only one or two students a year. For the majority of AH applicants, applying there is probably not even an option. As someone in the field, just going off of what schools are producing fellowship winners and successful candidates on the job market I would say that it seems like the "top" programs right now are (in no particular order) IFA, Harvard, Columbia, Yale, Penn, Chicago, Princeton, Berkeley and Stanford. Obviously people from other schools have success and get jobs and fellowships, but in general people from these schools seem to come out on top.

There are mid and early career Byzantinists at nearly all of the top Art History grad programs. I don't want this to come off as harsh, but if you are serious about going into a field you should not have to ask who or where the relevant faculty are.

Hi- I'm curious if anyone knows of scholarships for studying Italian in Italy. I've heard rumors that there is some kind of scholarship available through the italian foreign ministry, but I haven't actually been able to find any real information about this. Many thanks!

I really resent the implication by a lot of posters in this thread that "younger" grad students are some how less serious about their coursework and research, obsessed with "bar hopping" or clueless as to how the real world works. My department has a cohort of 10-15 each year, and I would say there is usually 1 recent grad, 2 thirty-somethings, while the rest are between 25-30. 25-27 is also really not that young, and it's a bit patronizing to act like people this age have little life experience and are obsessed with drinking. Lots of us in this age cohort are putting our lives on hold to get our PhDs, which is huge sacrifice and makes us highly motivated to get in, and out and move on with our lives. Just because I'm 27 and like to hang out with my cohort at a bar on Friday nights, doesn't mean I don't work my a** off seven days a week. That being said, in my department the social aspect is hugely important, and (with a few exceptions) people in coursework years who don't socialize within the department seem to really struggle. It's important to have people that you can vent to about professors and coursework, share bibliography, get advice on fellowships and generals, introductions to scholars, advice on ins and outs of certain archives, etc...... I guess my point is, if you don't cultivate some type of a support system *within* the department, the next 6+ years are going to be an uphill battle.

Maybe this varies by field, but I am in Art History and everyone in my department who is not an americanist or a parent does this. It is actually somewhat looked down upon if you don't. We have maybe 15% of our grad students staying on campus after the 3rd year. I didn't realize this was uncommon. I don't see how it would be an issue at all unless you were running up against the completion clock and had some kind of final year residency requirement. How far along are you in the program? Did you just become ABD or are you already at work on the dissertation?

I had a very similar thing happen when I was doing my masters... I was accepted into the program with a university-level two year fellowship, but when year two came I found out that I was only going to be receiving funding for one semester due to state level budget cuts. My advisor was absolutely livid, because she had pushed very hard for me to be given the funding in the first place and felt responsible for misleading me about the terms of my acceptance. She had been assured by the department and the graduate school that I had two years of funding when she made my admissions offer. When we went back to my admission letter from the graduate school it turned out that the wording had been chosen in such a way as to give the university wiggle room for not renewing my fellowship. It said something along the lines of "second year funding is generally awarded in the form of TA-ship, GA-ship or fellowship (emphasis mine)." We had taken this to mean that the funding could come from any of these three sources, but the graduate school told us that what it really meant was that second year funding was "generally" awarded, but in the case of budgetary issues it could be terminated. My department was so upset that they actually stopped awarding the fellowship to incoming students because they felt the university crafted it in a way that deliberately mislead prospective students. Long story short... I wonder if it is possible that something like this has happened to you. I learned the hard way that, when it comes to a state school, anything not in writing can become ammunition against you if your school decides to cut spending.

I actually know multiple people who got a second MA after Courtauld, because (as I'm sure you're aware) while it's prestigious, at the end of the day it is a one year program, and there is only so much you can learn in one year. While I have not personally gone to Courtauld I know many people who have and it sounds like the quality and benefit of the program varies greatly across courses. I think people in our field are pretty aware of this too. So long story short, I would still definitely apply to Williams.

gdnittis is exactly right. This is a very misleading spreadsheet, and doesn't take into account the fact that curatorial positions at major institutions are now going almost exclusively to PhDs. Sure there are plenty of current curators holding an MA (or less) but anyone with insight will tell you that these days are long over. I have two friends who took positions as curatorial assistants after finishing their PhDs - jobs that used to go to BAs.

Considering the fact that living expenses will bump you up around the neighborhood of $100k I would say it's not worth it. At all. You're definitely better off reapplying and focusing your attention on funded or in-state programs even if they are not as highly ranked.

Can you contact your department individually to see if there is travel funding you can apply for there? You might be surprised.

My status switched over from "Decision Made" to "Funding" sometime this morning. I also now have a link to submit "Declaration of Acceptance," but I have not received any communication from NY or Bonn. I'm hoping this means I've been accepted, but I'm waiting to hear more before I get too excited! Has anyone else's status switched over?

Do you mean the "intensive language course"? I applied for the intensive language course and I also see "selection made." What does your "Details on the Application" portion say? Has it changed since you first submitted the application? Mine has my first choice program under "target institution" and then it has the specific dates for that program filled in. I never took note of this section earlier so I'm not sure if it changed after my application status turned over. Would love to hear from anyone who applied to this option!