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This is university-specific, but almost always the university will consider you externally funded for the duration of the award and you won't receive your usual funding package. Your funding for that semester or year will roll over and extend your financial coverage in the program.
At my university, though, it's not uncommon for people with external fellowships that don't cover tuition to get tuition waivers from the university, which is something.
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There's really no template for SOPs. Mine didn't have anything resembling a hook because I thought all the opening source quotes and attempts to personalize one's research that I'd seen in sample SOPs were contrived and too reminiscent of college application essays.
So I submitted a pretty direct and dry description of my interests and ideas. It was well received and got me where I needed to go.
Again, this is a matter of personal preference, not an objective criterion. For what it's worth, @historygeek, I've only skimmed one of your drafts, but it didn't strike me as boring or stylistically deficient in any way.
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6 hours ago, Balleu said:
How does one convincingly answer the SOP question about "your reasons for pursuing graduate study?" The obvious answer is that you pursue graduate study in history because you want an academic career in history. But doesn't that obvious answer feel exceptionally... obvious?
Not only is the obvious answer the right one, but in fact if you have other plans for your PhD--working at a non-profit, curating a museum, consulting, teaching at a private high school, etc.--you should keep them to yourself (unless you're applying to a public history program or something similar). Younger academics tend to be more understanding of the realities of the job market and flexible in their views of the purpose of grad school, but many older historians would see an interest in careers outside of traditional academia as a giant red flag and dismiss you as a drop-out risk.
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14 hours ago, AfricanusCrowther said:
I think both L13 and ashiepoo72 are right. I wouldn't assume you will be accepted because you received a positive response from a POI (some of them may find it difficult not to sound enthusiastic out of politeness). But contacting such people can still yield all sorts of useful information.
Plus, even if your POI is genuinely willing to accept you, they may not be able to intercede on your behalf successfully. They're only one of a number of people who need to approve your application, so trying to predict its outcome based on their behaviour is going to yield imperfect results regardless of how easy they are to read.
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On 7/2/2018 at 8:38 AM, Balleu said:
To those of you who are already attending:
How much weight did you put on early stage positive responses from POIs? I have a few schools so far where faculty have been very encouraging, but I have no frame of reference for how encouraged I should actually feel.
I never contacted my advisor prior to applying to the program I'm in. I also got encouraging emails from my POIs at two programs that rejected me.
I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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Re. British history, everyone in my department who comes in focusing exclusively on English sources is required to pass at least one foreign language exam and this will be the case at most PhD programs. I assume it’s less important at the master’s level, but you will be expected to know a foreign language at some point in the future even if it never becomes relevant to your interests (which is possible, but as @Tigla said it’s getting rarer and rarer in your field because of the greater marketability of having an international or transnational element in your work). Again, don’t stress over this now, but be realistic about the expectations of the field and pencil some language classes into your schedule if you can.
The language exam I took at my school entailed reading an excerpt from a scholarly text and translating it into English with the aid of a dictionary. (I should have taken two exams, but the one in Latin was waived for me. Obviously that one would have included primary source materials.) The format may be different for other languages/at other schools, but the point is that your reading skills are the focus.
Edit: I remember now that I had the same GPA cutoffs as @glycoprotein1, for the record. My GPA was slightly below 3.7, though, so as I said, they're potentially flexible.
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No problem!
IDK about RAing, sorry. I don't think ECs and credentials are that important compared to your own words and your letters of recommendation, but maybe they count for more than I know.
It's good that you don't actually need a foreign language (yet), but the more languages you know in history, the better. People in this field will take you more seriously the more languages you can read, rightly or wrongly (I think rightly, personally), so IF you can fit it into your schedule, do work on your classical languages/French. You never know when you might need them. But don't prioritize this/stress over it.
I submitted more or less the same application to both universities. At the time, I thought I knew what I wanted to do very well and didn't want to hedge my bets by applying to different programs.
Re. specialization, different people can have vastly different takes on this, but I think it's good when you're a research professional and bad when you're a student. My undergrad history department had breadth requirements that forced me to take classes in different subfields and I regard it as one of the most beneficial features of my undergraduate education. If you get tunnel vision too early, you'll only get exposed to methodologies and theorists your favourite professors think are important--scholars tend to have personal mini-canons and I think you need exposure to as many of them as possible in order to develop as a historian--you won't know what's in and what's considered passé by the field as a whole, you may have a harder time adjusting to new trends and ideas, you'll miss out on valuable interdisciplinary work, etc. etc. etc. These are generalizations, but many historians believe in them and I do too.
When I told my advisor I had been reading recent issues of the top journal in our subfield in search of inspiration for my dissertation, she told me to stop doing that and start reading the AHR. Well, first she said I shouldn't be reading any journals at all and should let my topic appear to me in a dream (paraphrasing...), but then she said you keep up with the field by reading a generalist journal.
Again, other historians may disagree here, but basically, my position is that learning about many things is better than learning about one thing when you're still building a knowledge base.
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Yes, of course checking to make sure there's an advisor likely to take you is important, but your interests should be driving the school search process, not the other way around.
By purpose and fit I mean a clear and specific research proposal or at the very least specific examples of skills you're hoping to acquire as a student and classes/resources you'd make use of. In my experience, UK universities expect you to have a slightly more concrete idea of what you want to do than US schools, but this is a generalization and I may be wrong about it. Re. fit, demonstrate you're familiar with the course requirements and opportunities and would be well positioned to make use of them.
At the master's level, advisor fit, as in the overlap between your interests and your advisor's, is less important. As long as you occupy the same broad category, e.g. cultural history of the early Middle Ages or women's history in early modern France, your prospective advisor should be okay with taking you on. In fact, at Cambridge you're not required to request an advisor and may not get your desired advisor if you do, which is one more argument against picking an advisor before you've picked your research interests. (I don't remember right now if that's how it works at Oxford too.)
Not sure what the distinction between 'original research' and 'using primary sources well' is. You want to do both. How do you use primary sources well without doing ingenious things with them, which is what original research is? (You could be editing unedited sources that you discovered in an archive, I suppose... Are you doing that?) If by original research you mean off-the-wall speculation without a strong empirical grounding, though, avoid that. Demonstrating facility with primary sources and languages should be the primary goal of the writing sample IMO.
I'm just saying these master's programs are not as selective as PhD programs in the US. (I see now that Oxford has recently merged most master's degrees in history into one program, though, and don't know what that will mean for course selectivity going forward.) The MSt in global history at Oxford is a slight exception, and the MPhil in intellectual history at Cambridge may be one too, IDK, but even a 20% acceptance rate is not that bad. Again, funding allocation is where the majority of admitted students are 'culled,' in the sense that even if they can afford to attend, they will have lost out on funding to other students; I'm sure the history faculties at Oxbridge don't see this final filter as a good thing and would like to be able to fund all students, but it is what it is.
I assume I demonstrated sufficient research potential through my writing sample and SOP, which outlined the historical questions I'm interested in. I turned down the offer from Cambridge because I couldn't defer enrollment in my PhD program.
Work on your language skills if applicable, take classes that will allow you to produce a 15-20-page piece in which you analyse primary sources, read secondary literature widely and let it guide your interests. Do not specialize too early.
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1. For acceptance, no. But you do need a writing sample that shows off your research skills, meaning that you need experience writing research papers, plus if you're hoping to secure funding you'll be competing against a whole new tier of overachievers, some of whom will have prior graduate degrees and serious publications (or, failing that, degrees from Harvard, Princeton, etc., which Oxford and Cambridge love).
2. As with all research, the more you do of it and the more original it is, the better. If you can complete a major research project, do it. If not, find some other way to demonstrate research potential, e.g. by writing a seminar paper.
3. I'm not responsible for admissions at any university, let alone Oxford or Cambridge, but I would imagine your writing sample and research proposal. Pay particular attention to your research proposal when applying to UK institutions and make sure it demonstrates a clear sense of purpose (which is less necessary in US admissions) and fit.
4. UK universities usually specify GPA cutoffs for admission (3.6 for the courses I applied to if I remember correctly). Those are sometimes flexible, but make sure you're as close to meeting them as possible. Beyond that, I doubt your grades matter much.
5. Letting the faculty roster of a particular university shape your interests is a bad idea, yes. There's no guarantee the faculty members you model your work after will even be there when you apply.
Source: I also wanted to get a master's degree in the UK after studying at Oxford as a visiting student in undergrad and researched the application process seriously. I was accepted to master's programmes in history at both Oxford and Cambridge and received funding from Cambridge. However, ultimately I did not matriculate, so my expertise is very limited.
I can tell you this, however. Getting into a master's programme at Oxford or Cambridge is not that hard. Getting money, on the other hand, is a bloodbath.
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13 hours ago, Balleu said:
Thank you for making this so clear. I know for myself, this means resisting the temptation to focus on numbers. My UGPA is lower than I'd like because I had a health crisis a decade ago and dropped out of my first undergrad institution. I could easily go down the road of worrying about that, or overanalyzing my GRE scores ("My Verbal is 168 but AW was only 4.5. Is that a red flag? Is that cause for concern?"). But numerical measures are the area that I have the least control over, and numbers are not going to make the case to an admissions committee that they should commit time and resources to my research over the next 5+ years.
Having read through the "Lessons Learned" thread, I think I have a sense of the community consensus on writing samples, but I'm feeling torn between two options. Any input would be much appreciated:
- Sample A: A 20 page seminar paper analyzing a primary source in my research language and making a modest new argument on that source's interpretation. Won my department's Best Seminar Paper prize and will need polishing but not significant revisions. Less closely related to my proposed graduate research area (paper is on late medieval Iberian cultural history, graduate interest is early modern Atlantic Creole social history).
- Sample B: My undergraduate honors thesis, based on a larger archive of primary sources but all in English. My research for this thesis was funded by my department and required me to travel to another institution to access their archives. To use it as a writing sample, it will need either significant revisions or excerpting a section. More closely related to my proposed graduate research area (thesis is on colonial Nigerian social history).
Sample A, definitely.
Stuff like prizes and funding is nice, but it doesn't really affect profs' perception of your writing sample. And how closely your sample relates to your proposed topic is not very important, if at all, at least not based on my observations.
Demonstrating facility with primary sources and relevant foreign languages is FAR more impressive, especially if it comes with an original argument. Also, the fact your paper is already the length of a typical writing sample means it is already digestible as a complete piece and you don't have to cut it down from 50-100 pages while retaining the structure and clarity of the original historical argument, which is pretty difficult and time-consuming if you've never done it. Also, frankly, senior theses tend to be unfocused and to lack rhetorical impact and seminar papers are often where the best undergraduate writing is to be found, but obviously YMMV on this. (I say this as someone who wrote a senior thesis and used one of its chapters as a writing sample, so no hate.)
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18 hours ago, Tigla said:
I knew I left something out of my initial post.
If I defer a year, my loans will activate and I have a month (I used 5 months already) before my first payment would be due. I cannot deactivate them in 2 years because I will be married and have a household income based on my wife's yearly income. The current rules of the Department Education determine my eligibility for a deferral based on household income, not individual income. Also, my UK loan would be equivalent to a year's worth of my state's undergraduate tuition. Since I worked full-time and studied full-time during my undergrad, I was able to pay for 2 years of my undergraduate tuition myself, which would leave my total loan amount at 3 year's worth of undergraduate tuition (still well below the national average).
In terms of the total amount of the loan and tuition, I agree that loans in the American system are god awful and should never be taken out. In the UK system, a lot of postgraduates pay at least a year of tuition with some sort of loan, which is manageable because the cost is dramatically lower in the UK compared to the US.
I empathise. I have undergrad loans to pay off after my PhD too and it sucks. I am also familiar with UK university loans and the conditions for repayment. But it's really quite simple.
More loans = bad, even if you have to pay them off later, they're not as exploitative as the loans you already have and it feels like you don't have loans right now.
Do NOT take out loans to pay for a PhD.
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Worry less about your GPA and more about your writing sample, which is the single most important part of the application and largely determines its strength, together with the statement of purpose. The fact you've gotten encouraging responses from potential advisors bodes well for your SOP, which needs to exploit/maximize the things that make your research appealing to them. Grades in your major(s), rec letters and language skills are also important and you seem to be in a good spot there. Your ECs don't matter.
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On 5/1/2018 at 11:02 AM, lkjpoi said:
It's not simply that the school = intelligence, but also professionalism. Ivy league students get groomed for academia from a young age, learning from the leading scholars in the field. That experience goes a long way in helping them develop the personal connections, social manners, and the professional skills to write research papers and statements of purpose which fit the academy's requirements.
Yeah, most 'elite' universities in the US discourage their students from applying to their programs because there's a slight bias against job candidates who've never moved between schools and experienced different departmental dynamics. This is by no means a hard and fast rule, but I've heard about this prejudice from different people at different schools.
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My take: Dress however you want and don't listen to the prescriptive advice in this thread. I've seen prospective students wearing suits and ties, tweed jackets, summer dresses, jeans and sweatshirts, sleeveless tank tops, slogan t-shirts, etc. without attracting any comment. (The one thing I don't remember seeing is workout clothing, which may actually stand out enough for some professors to find it off-putting.)
It's true most grad students tend to dress in a particular way, but at least in my department that's a personal choice and not something professors or other grad students care about.
Your behavior/general demeanor is what people will remember from your visit, so just make sure your clothes are clean and you feel confident in them.
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Honestly, just contact the graduate admissions person at the history faculty with the question, "Is my background going to count against me and is it common for students in the two courses I'm interested in to have profiles like mine?" If the admissions person brushes you off or gives you an unsatisfactory answer, carefully and politely email the convenors of the two programs, whose names you'll find in the degree handbooks, or the director of graduate studies.
(It took me less than a minute to find the handbooks: https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/history/documents/media/graduate-handbook-ESH-MSc.pdf and https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/history/documents/media/graduate-handbook-GIH-1617.pdf)
For what it's worth, I suspect your profile will not be treated as problematic by the economic and social history program but may warrant a stronger justification to the global and imperial history program. But in general it's not uncommon for people with historical interests but without history degrees to apply to master's programs in history, so as long as you explain the connection to your research/coursework well in your statement, I'd expect you to be okay.
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17 hours ago, randomaccount19 said:
Would anyone be so kind and explain to me the following situation I find myself in:
I've applied to the History PhD at Cambridge, sent my application by the funding deadline and haven't heard anything back from them. No personal email, no invitation for an interview, nothing. The only thing that I noticed maybe a week or two ago is that my status has changed to "Awaiting approval by GAO". Nothing else has happened since then.
What should I make of this? I'm going crazy, please advise!
That means your acceptance is pending. Congrats!
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4 hours ago, OHSP said:
It's nice to look at data etc but where you got your MA is far less important than the quality of your writing sample. You don't need to be at a prestigious, well-known school to write a great thesis. If people are wondering where to get their MA, they should be focused on finding schools that 1) will offer at least some funding and 2) will leave you with high quality, preferably publishable writing.
Yeah, in terms of your chances of admission, I think the value of an MA program is mostly in the writing sample it allows you to produce. I wrote a senior thesis in undergrad, so I was able to use the first chapter as a writing sample and didn't have to do an MA. I'd never published or presented anything either.
By bypassing the master's-to-doctorate pipeline, I did miss out on a year or two of additional training and thinking about my interests, which means I'm behind some of my peers in my PhD program in terms of pre-dissertation research, but as far as the application cycle goes, the thing that matters the most is your writing sample.
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On 18.02.2018 г. at 7:03 PM, TMP said:
Hate to burst the bubble here but kindly remember that while you are in graduate school, you are expected to write clearly and concisely and for academic audiences. You won't quite be able to get away with writing like Cronin or Boyle until you have tenure. Stick to well-edited academic monographs. Journal articles do tend to be a bit more jargon-y because of limited audience whereas books need to be accessible to upper-level undergraduate history courses or, at the very least, first year graduate students.
I mean, there are well written articles and poorly written articles. "You have to learn to write articles" isn't the same as "style is not a concern for you."
It's not actually an article, but Caroline Bynum's presidential address to the AHA on wonder, published in AHR 102:1, is quite readable in my opinion and a good stylistic model for a historical argument pitched to a specialist audience.
(As an aside, academic articles comprised most of my assigned reading in undergrad, while so far in grad school I've mostly been told to read books. I far preferred my previous reading diet of articles and primary sources to the endless slog through converted dissertations and disingenuously framed trivia dumps that I've been condemned to as a grad student. I mean, okay, I'm being overdramatic and way too harsh on some good books, but the point is that I prefer the genre of the scholarly article as a reader.)
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On 27.02.2018 г. at 5:43 PM, JaneZ1118 said:
Hi, guys I have not heard back from Johns Hopkins, UCSD, and Columbia. I guess at this point it might mean a bad result and the rej letters are waiting for me... and do you guys think I should apply for another year? I do not have publications, but two conference paper. I was originally planned to do women history, but it seems like a dead end. How do you guys think I can improve for next year. I will be done with my master in a history department in this May as an international student. I was very disappointed with myself since I did undergrad in a history department also...
Sorry to respond so late, but I know exactly how you feel. I'm an international student who didn't get into a PhD program the first time around and ended up at one of the schools that rejected you after reapplying. (I didn't, and still don't, have any publications or conference papers, by the way.) Lots of people go through several application cycles before landing somewhere, so I urge you not to give up. Be realistic about your chances, but don't be too down on yourself. The application game is kind of a crapshoot and it's very possible you'll fare better next year. Give yourself a break for the time being, figure out what you're going to do next year in terms of work/life, and then start brainstorming ways to improve your application. You may have to tweak the focus, pick different schools to apply to, or consider a master's program.
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On 16.02.2018 г. at 11:32 AM, rex-sidereus said:
How important are campus visits?
By the looks of it (just reject me officially, Princeton) I will be starting a program in University of Virginia this fall, which I am very excited about.
They have invited me for a campus visit, but even for the money they extend to fly me in, the airfare + accommodations price is way out of my comfort zone, because of how in the middle of nowhere my uni is. I have skyped with my POI a number of times, and we'll be meeting up later in the spring, when we're both in Greece. And UVA is essentially my one and only option.
Should I pay the ugly amount for airfare/ max out my credit card for a school that I know I will be attending? I'm weary of the potential red flags, but I feel like I'm fairly familiar with the school and can't really think of anything terrible I will uncover when visiting the department.
If visiting turns out to be too expensive for you, it sounds like you really don't need to visit, especially if you know you're going to go there regardless. I didn't visit the university I'm at and I've never really had cause to regret it. Don't feel this is something you have to do in order to fit in or demonstrate commitment or whatever. Admitted student weekends are recruitment events and you've already been recruited.
Save your money for the move to Virginia because there will be hidden costs and unexpected expenses that the university won't reimburse you for (or will at least expect you to front the cash for).
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6 hours ago, ltr317 said:
I don't mean to alarm you but not all applicants visit this website. The GC is a small enclave in a bigger academic planet. Hang tight and think good thoughts until you actually hear something.
Yeah, 4-5 reported acceptances out of 20 is very much within the realm of plausibility. I wouldn't take this number as evidence there are more acceptances to come.
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8 hours ago, gnossienne n.3 said:
@jos123 @L13 and @FrankJEspin, were you interviewing for History or for the Medieval Institute?
History.
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3 hours ago, parens_scientiarum said:
Salvete, friends!
Has anyone here interviewed with the professors at Notre Dame? I've heard some curious things about the questions they ask. Not trying to pry, but I would like to know if someone might be willing to describe the experience in general terms...
I interviewed there 2 years ago and don't remember anything strange about the questions. What do you have in mind?
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I applied out of undergrad and knew absolutely nothing about the relative strength of/stand-out names at different departments when I started the process, yet I ended up with an amazing advisor at a great department.
Your level of professionalization says little about your academic preparedness or your odds of acceptance and saying things like "if you have to ask, go away" is not helpful. Obviously applicants need to do their own research, but pointing them in the right direction, or even just a direction, when they have zero idea what to look for is not going to jeopardize the fairness of the application process or cause them to be accepted on false pretenses and flunk out or whatever.
OP, I'm not in your field, but I've gotten the impression Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford and Berkeley dominate job placement in the US, with Columbia being the most successful, though your specific subfield and interests should narrow that down considerably.