Crucial BBQ Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) The mistake I avoided most was using an online example, or one found in a book, as a template for my own SOP. I just wrote it; free-write style, then edited it as necessary afterwards. I am applying to STEM and the one thing that is glaringly obvious is that the writing styles of those essays that supposedly gained the applicant entry even into top programs varied so widely that any one particular format does not seem to be an issue. Some were so awesomely written that the applicant was surely admitted into every program applied to, and, others were so bad that I cannot believe the applicant was accepted into Yale. Of course, you cannot believe everything you read on the Internet. I avoided an opening hook, but did make my first paragraph interesting enough. I kept the writing light, used the show-not-tell approach, and avoided academic speak. I also avoided everything that was obvious (I am applying to...) and did not mention anything about prestige of the school, program, or any particular professor. I did not mention how a degree from MIT would...or how studying under Professor X would...I made it clear I was applying to the program and not the school. I did pull out some specifics of the program that made it a fit for me, though, and how those specifics would benefit me in the future (once again, I avoided any discussion of prestige). I also focused on how my background and "training" would contribute to the program/lab. I also did not mention low grades, GPA, GRE, and so on. In one sentence, I did mention that I was not only a full time student, but also doing research, volunteering, clubs, etc. and working full time for almost my entire undergraduate career. It was rather ambiguous, but my CV and perhaps LORs, demonstrate that I was a very busy student. Once again, I avoided the obvious. Every one of my essays were written for the specific program I applied to. I had a loose, a very loose, template, but I also had very specific reasons for applying to each program. And those reasons varied by program. Plus, my essay prompts varied by school: one asked to include something about diversity and how I would contribute to the diverse campus; one wanted to know of all faculty that were contacted; one required four separate essays AND a separate writing sample; and so on. I also avoided using a quote: seems way to corny. And, I avoided what is probably the biggest mistake....the I have always... Edited January 17, 2014 by Crucial BBQ workingjourno 1
zahrakhalid Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 Here is a great resource on some good personal statements! http://www.brightlinkprep.com/all-posts/personal-statement/
kimozabe Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Guys read this : http://honors.tamu.edu/downloads/Personal%20Statement%20Invitation%20to%20Frustration.pdf MajorityMinority posted this a few months ago, but WOW! I can honestly say this will help me clear up my SOP. Read it! Digest it! Use it! this link is broken does anyone have the file or an updated link? google search has proven futile.
jimmyjjohn Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I wish I did that. I thought my transcript would reflect it, but it didn't. In fact, my transcript didn't even list both my majors! I almost cried when I saw a scanned copy of it. (My school doesn't give them to students, they mail it out themselves). It didn't say what professors taught which classes or anything. It looked awful.
themmases Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 this link is broken does anyone have the file or an updated link? google search has proven futile. Found it! It's here: http://hurapps.tamu.edu/downloads/Personal%20Statement%20Invitation%20to%20Frustration.pdf gwualum4mpp 1
Crucial BBQ Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 I just had a professor who sits on admissions committees look over my SOP. My introduction was talking about how I liked to go to museums as a child and was fascinated by the ancient world. He said that starting out like this is a huge mistake. Obviously if you are applying to study archaeology at the graduate level, it's pretty much assumed that you're fascinated by the ancient world and probably enjoy museums. But so do lots of people. What makes you unique. Attempt to illustrate your passion for the field without really telling some kind of silly story about your childhood. This is also an approach that many people take, and if you really want a strong SOP you'll find a better, more mature, and more creative way to say it. This may be acceptable to some programs but in general starting out with an anecdote is a no-no.
wetheplants Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 The DGS at my undergraduate institution said to be extremely leary about mentioning names of faculty members because often they'll get applications and either (1) The person is dead/retired (2) The person doesn't work with grad-students so it wouldn't make sense. Of course there are some applications I've filled out that specifically ask you to mention what professors you could see yourself working with. So I guess the rule of thumb would be do it if they ask you to, or if there is a scholar whose work you're very familiar with and see your own work as contributing to similar critical debates it can't hurt to mention them, but if that's the case they would probably realize that such was the case without you mentioning them. Botton line, error on the side of caution! I'm working on my application to Cambridge right now and there's an optional section on the application where you can specify profs you'd like to work with. Any thoughts if I should be doing that (and contacting people?) or skipping it? I mean, there are like 4-5 faculty whose work would go nicely with mine, I just feel weird picking one person randomly. I wouldn't want to offend someone who I didn't pick.
wetheplants Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Guys, any thoughts on what I should be focusing on in a 500 word SOP?? It's so short! And it's for Cambridge in the UK. Any differences I should be keeping in mind...?
JoePianist Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Guys, any thoughts on what I should be focusing on in a 500 word SOP?? It's so short! And it's for Cambridge in the UK. Any differences I should be keeping in mind...? The way I approached my rough draft SOP was to ignore the word limit and type my essay using the general guidelines from sites people have suggested on this forum. I also made sure to include the most important strengths about myself. After that, I went back and cut away any extraneous materials (e.g. needlessly lengthy introductory phrases; passages that repeat main ideas I had mentioned earlier in the essay). If my essay still was over the word limit, I would go through the process again and concentrate on how I can isolate the most important main ideas in a more succinct and shorter way. Also about choosing faculty members for your grad program, you'll just have to do your research into each processor in the program whose interests match yours. It might be a bit late in the game to contact these professors, though, especially from a prestigious university like Cambridge. What kind of program are you applying for? smg 1
wetheplants Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 The way I approached my rough draft SOP was to ignore the word limit and type my essay using the general guidelines from sites people have suggested on this forum. I also made sure to include the most important strengths about myself. After that, I went back and cut away any extraneous materials (e.g. needlessly lengthy introductory phrases; passages that repeat main ideas I had mentioned earlier in the essay). If my essay still was over the word limit, I would go through the process again and concentrate on how I can isolate the most important main ideas in a more succinct and shorter way. Also about choosing faculty members for your grad program, you'll just have to do your research into each processor in the program whose interests match yours. It might be a bit late in the game to contact these professors, though, especially from a prestigious university like Cambridge. What kind of program are you applying for? Masters in Medieval and Renaissance Literature. They don't seem to be too fussy about contacting people on their web pages. Their page for admissions (includes the PhD program too) says "Please note that although prospective graduate students may wish to look at the list of faculty members' research interests before they decide to apply here, supervisors aren't appointed until after the candidate has been accepted and can't appoint themselves to supervise a project in advance."
artsy16 Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Reviving this thread instead of posting a new one... I'm conflicted on whether to include a short addendum about my first year grades. I know this is something often talked about, but in the fall of my freshman year I suffered a concussion from sports that severely impacted my grades. This was also on top of me choosing the "wrong" major, and being miserable/ill-suited also negatively impacted my grades. Sophomore year I switched and performed much better, although today, as a rising senior, I still experience effects of the concussion (mild, really annoying temporary memory loss episodes). I was thinking of spinning the concussion as a learning experience - that because the injury occurred a couple weeks into school, I should've withdrawn and waited until I was better. Although I was able to get through the year, it really wasn't a wise/mature decision to keep going, which undoubtedly slowed healing. How does that sound? I'm worried about adcoms thinking that my concussion might negatively impact my graduate school performance (but i got mainly As and B+s after the 1st year of undergrad). Maybe it's a silly worry.
scarvesandcardigans Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Reviving this thread instead of posting a new one... I'm conflicted on whether to include a short addendum about my first year grades. I know this is something often talked about, but in the fall of my freshman year I suffered a concussion from sports that severely impacted my grades. This was also on top of me choosing the "wrong" major, and being miserable/ill-suited also negatively impacted my grades. Sophomore year I switched and performed much better, although today, as a rising senior, I still experience effects of the concussion (mild, really annoying temporary memory loss episodes). I was thinking of spinning the concussion as a learning experience - that because the injury occurred a couple weeks into school, I should've withdrawn and waited until I was better. Although I was able to get through the year, it really wasn't a wise/mature decision to keep going, which undoubtedly slowed healing. How does that sound? I'm worried about adcoms thinking that my concussion might negatively impact my graduate school performance (but i got mainly As and B+s after the 1st year of undergrad). Maybe it's a silly worry. I learned that any chance to talk about why there are some not-so-satisfying grades on your transcript should be discussed. You could talk about the positive change you felt after you finally found a field you enjoyed and had the chance to take the start of an academic year from a, let's say "healthier" perspective. I would note that the concussion/difficulty allowed you to see your potential and gave you an opportunity to grow/learn about yourself as an academic during stressful situations. Edited May 27, 2015 by scarvesandcardigans
knp Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 1) Do any of your professors know about it/might mention it? If we're talking Fs with the occasional D, you might want them to get it in their letters. If we're talking Cs—well, who doesn't have a few rough grades at the start of college? 2) What's your major GPA? If it's good, that is an extra reason not to apologize for your grades outside your major, in a field you realized was not right for you. 3) It doesn't sound like you want to disclose the continuing side effects—is that right? In that case, I don't think I would mention the concussion in particular. It doesn't sound like something admissions people needs to know. Regardless, I might still have a half a sentence somewhere in the middle like, "After a rough start to my undergraduate career...". I definitely wouldn't have an "addendum" at the end, leaving that as the final "note" the admissions people are thinking about you with. Finish strong!
knp Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Ah, I see we've cross-posted. I don't think you have to disclose. I probably wouldn't, because I'm pretty a private person. Scarves has a good point about why you might want to, and I think that the way they've presented it makes sense, if you feel like it's an important part of your story. But I still think that if you include it, do so in the middle; don't end on that note. Edited May 27, 2015 by knp
artsy16 Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Thanks to you both! I'm applying to public health programs and they have specific requirements for what should go in the SOP and what should be an addendum. Explaining things like poor grades should not be in the SOP, or else I would mention it tactfully in there. I can think of a few ways to insert just a sentence or two in the SOP while staying on topic, though. I'll consider that more when I get to work on SOPs. When my GPA is calculated for applications using SOPHAS it'll come out to a 3.5-3.6. My school doesn't include study abroad credit in your GPA and I have a handful of As from summer study, so my transcript GPA is lower than what schools will be considering. They also focus on last 60 hours or so which would be soph/jr years for me and that's when my GPA really shot up. I know that people generally have rough times during their freshman year, but I feel especially frustrated because it wasn't something I could control and not due to usual tough life adjustment (I was fine in that area). I'm mainly nervous because I took science & quant classes that year that are pre-reqs or "strongly preferred" for my graduate program. Continuing side effects are minimal and don't affect my academics-I would say they affect me socially more than anything (like forgetting a professor/advisor/close friend's name temporarily in the middle of a conversation). None of my professors know about it except the ones in the department I was in at the time the injury occurred and I won't be using them as references. Edited May 27, 2015 by artsy16
6speed! Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) I would like advice on how, if at all, SOPs might vary for terminal masters programs such as those I am applying to - International Relations, MPPs and MPAs. Obviously much of the information, the "story", the trajectory from your past experiences, your current interests and your future goals, etc, will be the same as that for other types of programs. That said, it seems that a lot of the quality advice I have found on SOPs tend to trend towards traditional humanities degrees, with PhDs being the end game and research alongside a professor a critical component of the process. Can anyone with knowledge or experience regarding SOPs for terminal masters programs offer any advice on the key things that may make these SOPs different? I have been writing my first drafts and have been trying to incorporate the universities' cultures, faculty, specific courses, etc into my SOPs, but I feel like I am struggling to clearly and uniquely differentiate the letters based on the schools and programs, as many share a lot of characteristics. These programs are more practical/skills based, and less purely academic research oriented. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks. Edited August 14, 2015 by 6speed!
kbui Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 On December 8, 2011 at 1:22:59 PM, AlphabetSoup said: misspelled BERKELEY as BERKLEY... champ OH NO! LOL!
Crucial BBQ Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 On May 27, 2015 at 2:56:04 PM, artsy16 said: Thanks to you both! I'm applying to public health programs and they have specific requirements for what should go in the SOP and what should be an addendum. Explaining things like poor grades should not be in the SOP, or else I would mention it tactfully in there. I can think of a few ways to insert just a sentence or two in the SOP while staying on topic, though. I'll consider that more when I get to work on SOPs. For what it is worth, I would follow the program's instructions. If they say to not include such info in the SOP then do not do it, no matter how tactful. Here is the thing, without knowing the program or its applicants I am all but certain that the majority of applicants are not going to follow the rules. Why? Because most are getting their advice from websites. Instead of writing the SOPs that the program wants them to write they are writing SOPs that they think the program wants to read. Chances are you will ignore my advice here, too, and that is fine. Just keep in mind that the SOP is meant to show what you will bring to the program if admitted right at this very moment. What happened 3 or 4 years is largely irrelevant unless it is a continued issue. On August 14, 2015 at 10:08:41 AM, 6speed! said: I would like advice on how, if at all, SOPs might vary for terminal masters programs such as those I am applying to - International Relations, MPPs and MPAs. Obviously much of the information, the "story", the trajectory from your past experiences, your current interests and your future goals, etc, will be the same as that for other types of programs. That said, it seems that a lot of the quality advice I have found on SOPs tend to trend towards traditional humanities degrees, with PhDs being the end game and research alongside a professor a critical component of the process. Can anyone with knowledge or experience regarding SOPs for terminal masters programs offer any advice on the key things that may make these SOPs different? I have been writing my first drafts and have been trying to incorporate the universities' cultures, faculty, specific courses, etc into my SOPs, but I feel like I am struggling to clearly and uniquely differentiate the letters based on the schools and programs, as many share a lot of characteristics. These programs are more practical/skills based, and less purely academic research oriented. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks. My top choice is/was a terminal MS program in the sense that there is no Ph.D. option within the specific program, or even at the school. However, many do go on to Ph.D. programs at other institutions. What I did, and this advice was given to me from profs/PIs/POIs within this same program, was to only focus on three things: why I want an MS degree; why I want this program; why I want this lab. Obviously this is a thesis based program so if you will not be doing a research project you could possibly pitch that last one and replace it with "future career goals". I was also told to not include any "life stories" as they flat out did not care and to also not restate anything already on my CV. In a nutshell, stick to prompt professionalism and treat the SOP to terminal MS programs strictly as a cover letter with a job application: this is why I am applying to your company; this is what I bring to the table; this is what I will get out of it.
Crucial BBQ Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) For those looking for the tamu link from a few pages back (that leads to an error page), here is the new link: http://honors.uiowa.edu/files/honors.uiowa.edu/files/wysiwyg_uploads/Personal%20Statement%20Invitation%20to%20Frustration.pdf edit to add: link is to U Iowa, but document is the same. Edited November 23, 2015 by Crucial BBQ kittyball, AtomDance, AnimeChic101! and 1 other 4
artsy16 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 5 hours ago, Crucial BBQ said: For what it is worth, I would follow the program's instructions. If they say to not include such info in the SOP then do not do it, no matter how tactful. Here is the thing, without knowing the program or its applicants I am all but certain that the majority of applicants are not going to follow the rules. Why? Because most are getting their advice from websites. Instead of writing the SOPs that the program wants them to write they are writing SOPs that they think the program wants to read. I don't understand your response to my post. I stated that one should follow what the program says, and that I specifically would not be deviating from that. If you were simply agreeing with me, my apolgies.
Crucial BBQ Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) On 11/23/2015, 8:11:37, artsy16 said: I don't understand your response to my post. I stated that one should follow what the program says, and that I specifically would not be deviating from that. If you were simply agreeing with me, my apolgies. My comment was in response to what you wrote, "I can think of a few ways to insert just a sentence or two in the SOP while staying on topic, though. I'll consider that more when I get to work on SOPs." I have been through the application process two years in a row. My own advice to myself back then would be to follow the prompt to a T. Then again as always I suggest you contact the program directly and ask if you are still to considered inclusion of a sentence or two. Edit: Not sure what is up with the strike out.... Edited November 25, 2015 by fuzzylogician fixed strike out.
HYHY02 Posted November 29, 2015 Posted November 29, 2015 Hmm, the current application I'm working on requires something very similar to a SOP (they call it "academic interest form"). Although they provide no strict guidelines, they do request answering 3 different questions (but then do mention adding anything else you feel is relevant/helpful...). Taking advice from above, think I'll forgo any extra material that isn't directly related to the 3 questions/topics.
Hecate Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Hello everyone! I do hope this is the appropriate place to post this, but I've seen others ask similar questions, so I' m assuming it's all right. If not, I apologize. I am currently a Masters student in Translation Studies in Canada, but I have finally decided to take the plunge and apply to other Masters because Translation isn't what I want and won't afford me the same opportunities when I apply to PhD programs in the future. So I'm in the process of applying to MA's in other fields and I have a question concerning GPA. I did my undergrad in France and my overall GPA translates to about 3.3 to 3.5, according to the website of the school I'm interested in (which I think is a bit low comparatively, as I found the grading system much more severe in France than it is here in Canada). Their minimum required GPA *is* 3.3, so I' m not overly worried, but they do say that successful applicants usually have higher GPAs, which is a little upsetting. My undergrad is extremely interdisciplinary, and I lost a lot of points because of subjects that weren't my forte. I however did very good (A and A+ equivalents) in subjects that are relevant to the MA I'm applying to. I also did everything through distance learning, which is honestly an added difficulty, and also means that 100% of my grade in every single subject was just one final exam. So it's a very hit or miss kind of situation. My question is this: should I mention this in my SOP or does it just sound like I'm making excuses? I' m wondering if it's necessary also, since I feel the rest of my application is fairly strong. I have a 3.85 GPA in my current MA program and will have strong recommendation letters from my professors. Thank you! Edited January 9, 2016 by Hecate
ChocChoc Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 On 21 March 2010 at 4:50 PM, intextrovert said: I've said in other places around here that the best advice I got for my SoP was that you should think about demonstrating that you are capable of conceiving of a larger project; whether or not you end up doing that project is irrelevant, as you probably won't and the adcomm is well aware of that - the point is that you are CAPABLE of conceiving of a future direction for yourself. Hope that helps! It just feels very dishonest to defend a project that you know you may not be able to implement. It's like when Bernie Sanders tells people he's gonna make college in the US tuition-free, when he I'm sure knows that this will be very difficult to achieve.
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