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  On 4/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, throwawayndseg said:

Why was it punted to STI-TEC in 2018 and then SysPlus this year after being run by the ASEE for so many years? We're out here working our asses off to help this country (which I love) advance our technologies where this fellowship could provide hundreds with the resources to do so, but they're just twiddling their thumbs up their butts. They spend so much money on trying to recruit new scientists and graduates to join government agencies after graduation, but shit like this just turns us all off and they wonder why.

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I realized this situation reminded me of something, so I made this GIF.  I hope a little humor will help hold us over until Friday. Good luck y'all!      

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DAWN OF THE SECOND DAY And so it was that the applicants to the 2019-2020 NDSEG Fellowship found themselves on the forum at the dawn of the Second Day, April 14. The Second Day was far from the s

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  On 4/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, throwawayndseg said:

Why was it punted to STI-TEC in 2018 and then SysPlus this year after being run by the ASEE for so many years? We're out here working our asses off to help this country (which I love) advance our technologies where this fellowship could provide hundreds with the resources to do so, but they're just twiddling their thumbs up their butts. They spend so much money on trying to recruit new scientists and graduates to join government agencies after graduation, but shit like this just turns us all off and they wonder why.

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I assume it was a lowest-bidder situation, but I have a friend who was managed by STI-TEC and she said that there was a semester where they were like 6 months behind on paying her tuition bill. Could be related

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Emailed the PMO and got a message from the NDSEG saying  "I don't have any further information available. The DoD hasn't released the decisions, and I cannot promise the time they will release. We will get them out as soon as possible after they release the decisions."

My guess is the ARO, specifically anything decision science/math related is probably the hang-up as they are working crazy hours for COVID response.

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:10 PM, alcoholistic said:

Emailed the PMO and got a message from the NDSEG saying  "I don't have any further information available. The DoD hasn't released the decisions, and I cannot promise the time they will release. We will get them out as soon as possible after they release the decisions."

My guess is the ARO, specifically anything decision science/math related is probably the hang-up as they are working crazy hours for COVID response.

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Man, if even SysPlus doesn't know who won, that sure as hell puts a nail in the coffin of our "the dates mean something" theory, at least for the different dates in April.  

  On 4/14/2020 at 8:21 PM, vpaglioni3 said:

God is dead. 

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No, I'm sure that dude is just laughing his invisible head off.  "I don't need to condemn grad students to hell.  They do it to themselves!"

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:26 PM, OhTheStress said:

Man, if even SysPlus doesn't know who won, that sure as hell puts a nail in the coffin of our "the dates mean something" theory, at least for the different dates in April.  

No, I'm sure that dude is just laughing his invisible head off.  "I don't need to condemn grad students to hell.  They do it to themselves!"

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I'd argue that it means nothing for the dates in general, if they don't know who won then why would updates on their system indicate winners?

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:28 PM, NDSEG_throwaway said:

I'd argue that it means nothing for the dates in general, if they don't know who won then why would they be updating the decisions?

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Good question.  Maybe they know the finalists and are getting every finalist set up so that they can easily activate the acceptance forms for whoever the DoD picks?  It's what I would do if I didn't know who actually won.  Also, this is taken with a grain of salt because we don't know the veracity of alcoholistic's report (no offense), or whether SysPlus is just covering their asses by blaming the DoD for their own delays.

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:32 PM, OhTheStress said:

Good question.  Maybe they know the finalists and are getting every finalist set up so that they can easily activate the acceptance forms for whoever the DoD picks?  It's what I would do if I didn't know who actually won.  Also, this is taken with a grain of salt because we don't know the veracity of alcoholistic's report (no offense), or whether SysPlus is just covering their asses by blaming the DoD for their own delays.

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We'll find out.....eventually!

 

 

 

 

Us waiting in 100 years -> ?

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:32 PM, OhTheStress said:

Good question.  Maybe they know the finalists and are getting every finalist set up so that they can easily activate the acceptance forms for whoever the DoD picks?  It's what I would do if I didn't know who actually won.  Also, this is taken with a grain of salt because we don't know the veracity of alcoholistic's report (no offense), or whether SysPlus is just covering their asses by blaming the DoD for their own delays.

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Totally understand. If someone wants a cc, I can send. just pm me an email.

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Needless to say, I don't really buy SysPlus' argument. I called them a little over a week ago and they said that all of the agencies made their decisions following the timeline they set in September (i.e. COVID had not affected anything). Furthermore, earlier in the thread someone posted that AFRL had made all of their decisions in March.

What a mess.

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  On 4/14/2020 at 8:49 PM, cri3times said:

Needless to say, I don't really buy SysPlus' argument. I called them a little over a week ago and they said that all of the agencies made their decisions following the timeline they set in September (i.e. COVID had not affected anything). Furthermore, earlier in the thread someone posted that AFRL at least had made all of their decisions in March.

What a mess.

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Someone else could theoretically email them and call them out on this

 

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  On 4/14/2020 at 9:00 PM, StPolarBear said:

Based on what I saw here

http://www.oasdre-hbcumiworkshop.com/2019_presentations/07-Wisecarver_Robinson_HBCU_Workshop_with_AFOSR_overview.pdf

on slide 36 it says that the fellowship class is announced on May 4th.

 

So if they need 14 days of buffer, the last day they would send out emails is next Monday.

We may have a bit of a wait still.

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That says it'd be publicly announced May 4th, but the awards would be sent to recipients on March 20th which has long passed. Regardless, I think it's safe to say that the pandemic has severely delayed this fellowship's timeline and we will probably be waiting much longer than anticipated. I'm gonna go play some Overwatch to get my mind off of things.

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  On 4/14/2020 at 9:00 PM, StPolarBear said:

Based on what I saw here

http://www.oasdre-hbcumiworkshop.com/2019_presentations/07-Wisecarver_Robinson_HBCU_Workshop_with_AFOSR_overview.pdf

on slide 36 it says that the fellowship class is announced on May 4th.

 

So if they need 14 days of buffer, the last day they would send out emails is next Monday.

We may have a bit of a wait still.

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It says "NDSEG DoD 2020 Fellowship Class Awards Sent to Recipients" march 20th. May 4th seems to be public announcement after accepts/rejects from recipients, etc.

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  On 4/14/2020 at 9:06 PM, SomGuy13 said:

It says "NDSEG DoD 2020 Fellowship Class Awards Sent to Recipients" march 20th. May 4th seems to be public announcement after accepts/rejects from recipients, etc.

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Right. Im just focusing on the public announcement date, assuming the other stuff has been delayed.

They give people a 14 day buffer to accept/decline, no?

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  On 4/14/2020 at 9:00 PM, StPolarBear said:

Based on what I saw here

http://www.oasdre-hbcumiworkshop.com/2019_presentations/07-Wisecarver_Robinson_HBCU_Workshop_with_AFOSR_overview.pdf

on slide 36 it says that the fellowship class is announced on May 4th.

 

So if they need 14 days of buffer, the last day they would send out emails is next Monday.

We may have a bit of a wait still.

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That is a gold mine!  I'd buy you a beer if I could.

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