OhTheStress Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, GoldenDog said: I could be down for that. Same. I was thinking a few pages back of creating a similar website to Alex Lang's wonderful NSF website, for this fellowship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenDog Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, vpaglioni3 said: I don't think we'll be able to say definitively that a DoD connection helps directly or not. However, there are indirect benefits to having worked in/around the DoD space prior to applying. You get to know the language they use, what they like to see in reports, how to structure your report for maximum impact, etc. Tangential benefits that can maybe get you over the finish line, but won't run the race for you. Care to elaborate or share some examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3st3rb Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, robertac93 said: I was thinking of that just this morning actually. I might create a request-able google drive folder for folks to share their personal essay and proposal. Well LMK if you do. I'll contribute my stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpaglioni3 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, GoldenDog said: Care to elaborate or share some examples? My adviser worked for a DoD lab, and I had DoD production-level experience, so we were able to use specific DoD language (i.e. 'objective' over 'goal', 'task' over 'step', little things like that), add in some informative graphics (quad charts & Gantt charts run the DoD in some areas), structure the essay sections to flow like the DoD would expect (no examples off the top of my head) like I said, the best it would get you is a tiebreaker, but it's something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertac93 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3st3rb said: Well LMK if you do. I'll contribute my stuff. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ut7fWlFrpmuyZOaqsca_-zxcPE2KSub-?usp=sharing I think this will work. You should have to request to join the folder. GoldenDog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3st3rb Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, vpaglioni3 said: My adviser worked for a DoD lab, and I had DoD production-level experience, so we were able to use specific DoD language (i.e. 'objective' over 'goal', 'task' over 'step', little things like that), add in some informative graphics (quad charts & Gantt charts run the DoD in some areas), structure the essay sections to flow like the DoD would expect (no examples off the top of my head) like I said, the best it would get you is a tiebreaker, but it's something This. My advisor and I are in the exact same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imposterimposter Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, 3st3rb said: I'd be down to share essays. Though I wouldn't want to just post it here. So maybe a google drive folder people have to ask to join or something. Same here. If someone wants to take the lead I will contribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpaglioni3 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) Just now, 3st3rb said: This. My advisor and I are in the exact same boat. It was definitely helpful to have the insight, and I feel like it really polished the final product. But it will never cover up a bad/irrelevant project. Edited April 17, 2020 by vpaglioni3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhTheStress Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, imposterimposter said: Same here. If someone wants to take the lead I will contribute Looks like robertac93 has a drive folder set up. I'll spend some time this weekend on a Lang-style website for use by future neurotic NDSEG applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imposterimposter Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 PSA: I just emailed SysPlus and explicitly asked them what the updates mean, as well as whether or not we should expect to see announcements before next week. I will let you know their response (if I get one) GoldenDog, ScienceGeek and whatdothedatesmean 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenDog Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, vpaglioni3 said: My adviser worked for a DoD lab, and I had DoD production-level experience, so we were able to use specific DoD language (i.e. 'objective' over 'goal', 'task' over 'step', little things like that), add in some informative graphics (quad charts & Gantt charts run the DoD in some areas), structure the essay sections to flow like the DoD would expect (no examples off the top of my head) like I said, the best it would get you is a tiebreaker, but it's something Is there anythnig worth reading on this? I don't totally follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpaglioni3 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoldenDog said: Is there anythnig worth reading on this? I don't totally follow. Nothing that would make a significant difference, but once you're around the DoD space for a bit, you start to pick up on specific language and formatting that is used in presentations/documents/etc. For instance, a lot of DoD management like to see charts & visuals, even in shorter documents - that's not necessarily the case elsewhere, where people may think you're just 'padding' your document length. I don't think I can explain it much better, it's just stylistic choices that are prevalent around the DoD that don't necessarily show up elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenDog Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, vpaglioni3 said: Nothing that would make a significant difference, but once you're around the DoD space for a bit, you start to pick up on specific language and formatting that is used in presentations/documents/etc. For instance, a lot of DoD management like to see charts & visuals, even in shorter documents - that's not necessarily the case elsewhere, where people may think you're just 'padding' your document length. I don't think I can explain it much better, it's just stylistic choices that are prevalent around the DoD that don't necessarily show up elsewhere. Sure; can you elaborate on goal versus objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpaglioni3 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoldenDog said: Sure; can you elaborate on goal versus objective? This was a point of contention for me the first time I saw it, in my last performance review before I quit to attend grad school. I can't even remember which one is used now. They mean the SAME THING, right? I think all of us can agree that there is at most a minuscule difference in what they mean. But for some reason, the DoD changed their performance review structure to rename one to the other. Literally no reason I can see other than a style change. Edit: I understand how unhelpful this is, and I'm really sorry. I can't really think of a better way to explain my thoughts, but suffice to say that the benefits afforded to those of us with prior DoD experience, with respect to writing the essay/report/application, are mostly tangential and will likely not make a huge difference. Edited April 17, 2020 by vpaglioni3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1virologirl Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just grateful my PI got approval for me to come back to the lab to start testing drugs on SARS-COV-2, because all I do now is creep on this blog since I have been forced to stay home haha. This is unhealthy. thel and scientistsalarian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpaglioni3 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, E1virologirl said: Just grateful my PI got approval for me to come back to the lab to start testing drugs on SARS-COV-2 Thanks for leading the charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertac93 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Ope, the unexpected. A 4/17 update. Now my brain has immediately switched to thinking it must be a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhTheStress Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, robertac93 said: Ope, the unexpected. A 4/17 update. Now my brain has immediately switched to thinking it must be a bad thing. Nobody knows what's going on anymore. Did you have a 4/16 also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imposterimposter Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, robertac93 said: Ope, the unexpected. A 4/17 update. Now my brain has immediately switched to thinking it must be a bad thing. Oh dear. When was your last update? Still 12/24 for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertac93 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, OhTheStress said: Nobody knows what's going on anymore. Did you have a 4/16 also? I had nothing in between 4/6 and 4/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSEG_throwaway Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just a reminder https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HHwP8Zyh8W24HRUh5WnObRExb24JhN5ZLTa7p5Q8CkI/edit#gid=0 Add your updates, etc here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwawayndseg Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 So what's the over/under that results get posted today? I'm going +500 that this gets delayed even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhTheStress Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, robertac93 said: I had nothing in between 4/6 and 4/17 The plot thickens... justanothergradstudent, robertac93, scientistsalarian and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1virologirl Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, vpaglioni3 said: Thanks for leading the charge! The postdocs have done most of the hard work. I'm just coming in to help them out any way I can now that we have so many people requesting research on the virus. They are swamped. Thank you though Edited April 17, 2020 by E1virologirl vpaglioni3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertac93 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, OhTheStress said: The plot thickens... This far and away my favorite post on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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