tvethiopia Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Romanista said: I agree with this but my experience has been that it just doesn't work this way. As long as the system is in place in which a university grants tenure in exchange for excellent research and a token level of professionalism in teaching and mentoring, there will always be professors that shirk their mentoring and service responsibilities. And if they get tenure despite this, they actually get rewarded in a way. Once they get a reputation for not being helpful about LORs and stuff like that, graduate students spread the word and PhD applicants just avoid these faculty. And if a professor spends a year not writing a single LOR (regardless of whether they were asked or not), will they get in trouble? I doubt it. If they have tenure, they may not be the most popular person in the office, but that doesn't detract from their research because research in the humanities is usually an individual process. The system may not aim to protect unprofessional faculty who are good researchers, but it does precisely that. I can see your point IF the issue is just a professor being kind of hands-off with their grad students and not getting very involved. They are not necessarily required to be the supportive mentors we'd all like, and many choose not to be and still have great success based on their research. However, to take on an obligation and not follow through--even when that obligation is to a mere grad student--is always going to reflect badly on them as a professional. If a professor simply said "I have substantial professional obligations and I don't believe I can provide you a letter of recommendation by the deadline you've requested", then certainly no one would fault them for it. But to agree to provide a letter and then knowingly neglect it simply because they prioritized other things more highly suggests that they are incapable of managing their time appropriately, and they are making others suffer the consequences of their own irresponsibility. I really can't imagine an institution that wouldn't take that seriously. JessicaLange, Metaellipses, knp and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouPlease Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I'm reviewing my U of Chicago app and am stuck on this question: "Please give the names and professional affiliations of individuals most responsible for your decision to apply to the University of Chicago." Is this question is referring to POIs? biyutefulphlower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Old Bill Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, LouisePlease said: I'm reviewing my U of Chicago app and am stuck on this question: "Please give the names and professional affiliations of individuals most responsible for your decision to apply to the University of Chicago." Is this question is referring to POIs? This is convoluted academese for "How did you hear about us?" They're just looking for the names and positions of people who may have sold you on U of C's program (i.e., if your advisor suggested it might be a good fit, you would use your advisor's name, credentials, and your school etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biyutefulphlower Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 @LouisePlease - Good Luck! I got stuck on that application question for a second too, lol. Phew, three down, two more to go. I was just thinking how much it sucks that application season coincides with the Christmas holiday season (for those who celebrate). My accounts are hurting right now, what with the GRE scores costing $27 to send to each school and the application fees. Oi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanaka Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 @LouisePlease I'd have said yes they mean POI's but apparently I'm wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaLange Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 7 hours ago, tvethiopia said: I can see your point IF the issue is just a professor being kind of hands-off with their grad students and not getting very involved. They are not necessarily required to be the supportive mentors we'd all like, and many choose not to be and still have great success based on their research. However, to take on an obligation and not follow through--even when that obligation is to a mere grad student--is always going to reflect badly on them as a professional. If a professor simply said "I have substantial professional obligations and I don't believe I can provide you a letter of recommendation by the deadline you've requested", then certainly no one would fault them for it. But to agree to provide a letter and then knowingly neglect it simply because they prioritized other things more highly suggests that they are incapable of managing their time appropriately, and they are making others suffer the consequences of their own irresponsibility. I really can't imagine an institution that wouldn't take that seriously. I completely agree with you. I had two applications due on the first and one of my recommenders filled out one of them and not the other. I have no idea why, but I re-sent the request and then I got an email from the school telling me that it needs to be in by the 15th or they won't accept it. I tried contacting her almost every day for 6 days. I sent several increasingly desperate emails. I left a voicemail on her office phone. I went to her office, but she wasn't there. I don't know why she stopped contacting me and doing what she promised, but I was so apprehensive. That's $100 and hours of work down the drain, not to mention I have two more happening tomorrow. Is she out of the country? Could she have told me two months ago that she would be hard to contact during this time? No clue, but I'm sure she must be checking her email because it's finals week. I feel very disrespected. I had to contact another professor and beg her to write me one with less than 24 hours to spare. Luckily she came through, but I'm still pissed off at my original recommender and I find it really unprofessional to make a commitment that could have been handled in two hours with two months to spare and then not follow through. Alright sorry. I needed to vent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Old Bill Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 47 minutes ago, JessicaLange said: I completely agree with you. I had two applications due on the first and one of my recommenders filled out one of them and not the other. I have no idea why, but I re-sent the request and then I got an email from the school telling me that it needs to be in by the 15th or they won't accept it. I tried contacting her almost every day for 6 days. I sent several increasingly desperate emails. I left a voicemail on her office phone. I went to her office, but she wasn't there. I don't know why she stopped contacting me and doing what she promised, but I was so apprehensive. That's $100 and hours of work down the drain, not to mention I have two more happening tomorrow. Is she out of the country? Could she have told me two months ago that she would be hard to contact during this time? No clue, but I'm sure she must be checking her email because it's finals week. I feel very disrespected. I had to contact another professor and beg her to write me one with less than 24 hours to spare. Luckily she came through, but I'm still pissed off at my original recommender and I find it really unprofessional to make a commitment that could have been handled in two hours with two months to spare and then not follow through. Alright sorry. I needed to vent. Holy moly. Between you and @BlackRosePhD, these are some real horror stories. Sorry for your experience, JL. So, I'm not an advanced academic or a tenure track professor, but I have always made a point of responding to emails very quickly...and this was especially true for my English 101 students this semester. I encouraged them to email me if they ever had questions, and would let them send me drafts (so long as they had something specific for me to address). The reason for this is A.) because it is courteous, but mainly B.) because I think it is an instructor's responsibility to have open lines of communication with his/her students. This is the humanities, after all. anxiousphd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhr Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Two things I learned: Always have an extra letter writer. One of mine, who is both on my committee and my boss that semester (and someone I have a great relationship with), completely whiffed on one of my letters last year. He thought he had submitted it, but it hadn't completed, but when he logged in it looked like it was done, so he just ignored the email reminders through their system (and kept telling me it was in and that the problem was on their end). I, thankfully, hit up one of my other committee members who submitted one at the last minute for me. Put those requests in early. Submitting your application a week before the due date and then generating the email request is doomed to failure, especially because your advisor may have finals to grade, student emails coming in constantly, and PhD students going out on the market. My advisor suggested that I have the requests sent out no later than 10/15, with reminders sent in mid November. The good news, honestly, is that few places really will ignore one that comes in a couple days late. They aren't even tracking their own systems that closely, and few programs (my current one excepted) start looking at applications before the Spring semester. museum_geek and Dr. Old Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumblebea Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 7 hours ago, JessicaLange said: I completely agree with you. I had two applications due on the first and one of my recommenders filled out one of them and not the other. I have no idea why, but I re-sent the request and then I got an email from the school telling me that it needs to be in by the 15th or they won't accept it. I tried contacting her almost every day for 6 days. I sent several increasingly desperate emails. I left a voicemail on her office phone. I went to her office, but she wasn't there. I don't know why she stopped contacting me and doing what she promised, but I was so apprehensive. That's $100 and hours of work down the drain, not to mention I have two more happening tomorrow. Is she out of the country? Could she have told me two months ago that she would be hard to contact during this time? No clue, but I'm sure she must be checking her email because it's finals week. I feel very disrespected. I had to contact another professor and beg her to write me one with less than 24 hours to spare. Luckily she came through, but I'm still pissed off at my original recommender and I find it really unprofessional to make a commitment that could have been handled in two hours with two months to spare and then not follow through. Alright sorry. I needed to vent. Ugh, that's horrible. I wish the grad school process would move to a dossier service (like interfolio) as the job market has. Ramus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimeChic101! Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Update: everything is working out. My 4th letter writer came through for me and he's been uploading recs for me. He's heaven sent, honestly . Anyways, all my of my applications have been submitted! Edited December 16, 2016 by BlackRosePhD Dr. Old Bill, Narrative Nancy, museum_geek and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanaka Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, BlackRosePhD said: Update: everything is working out. My 4th letter writer came through for me and he's been uploading recs for me. He's heaven sent, honestly . Anyways, all my of my applications have been submitted! That's great. Did you value the other recommender more, or are you happy with this one too? See, you're even much more advanced than I am despite your impediment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimeChic101! Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Just now, Yanaka said: That's great. Did you value the other recommender more, or are you happy with this one too? See, you're even much more advanced than I am despite your impediment! He actually reached out to me and offered. I should have asked him to begin with, but since he's not on my thesis committee, I didn't include him initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biyutefulphlower Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 14 hours ago, BlackRosePhD said: Update: everything is working out. My 4th letter writer came through for me and he's been uploading recs for me. He's heaven sent, honestly . Anyways, all my of my applications have been submitted! That's wonderful! I'm glad everything worked out with your recs. And congrats on getting all your apps in - you can end the year on a high note it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmss9245 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 On 2. desember 2016 at 8:28 PM, bhr said: I had my first acceptance by December 15th last year, and a waitlist from another school a few days later. First acceptance got! on Dec. 13 this year! Though I'm mainly applying for CompLitt programs, this one "unofficial" admission was from a Scandinavian Studies PhD Program. Still have 10 more to go... Best luck for all of us! Ramus and Dr. Old Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heliogabalus Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 A piece of potential advice about letters of recommendation--if the recommender is having a difficult time producing a rec, offer to write up your own letter of rec and send it to the professor to accept, adapt, or decline as she sees fit. A good letter of recommendation takes a ton of time to write--these professors know that. They may be swamped and can't find the time to do you justice or they may not regard you as highly as you think. Whatever the case, if you need to get a rec in and it's getting tight, offer to do the heavy-lifting yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanaka Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 That's what I did too! For one of my LOR's. I can't believe some of you are receiving offers... I thought I had time to wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Old Bill Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Yanaka said: I can't believe some of you are receiving offers... I thought I had time to wait! You do...unless you applied to Scandinavian studies programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmss9245 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Wyatt's Terps said: You do...unless you applied to Scandinavian studies programs. What do you mean? Seems like you know a lot about Scandi. Studies to say so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanaka Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I think he was suggesting your department starts sending out offers now? Judging from the fact that you received one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Old Bill Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, hmss9245 said: What do you mean? Seems like you know a lot about Scandi. Studies to say so.. Wait...I'm confused. Did you just say yesterday that you were accepted to a Scandinavian Studies program? That's what I was responding to. Yanaka was fretting over not having "time to wait" after you said you got in somewhere... On 12/16/2016 at 11:52 AM, hmss9245 said: First acceptance got! on Dec. 13 this year! Though I'm mainly applying for CompLitt programs, this one "unofficial" admission was from a Scandinavian Studies PhD Program. Still have 10 more to go... Best luck for all of us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhr Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Acceptances/rejections are already on the board for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanaka Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel_kaye13 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 7 hours ago, bhr said: Acceptances/rejections are already on the board for this year. I wouldn't get too over-excited just yet, @Yanaka: while I don't doubt that some notifications COULD be going out, we're still in the midst of the science acceptances; we shouldn't be hearing back from US acceptances until February, at the earliest. Not that I doubt that this person could actually have gotten an acceptance already. It's just the odds are that most people in our field aren't getting notice until January, sciences come first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmss9245 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 14 hours ago, Yanaka said: I think he was suggesting your department starts sending out offers now? Judging from the fact that you received one? Ah I omitted too much… was trying to ask if @Wyatt's Terps knew if those applying to Scan Studies are generally admitted earlier or whatever… and yes, a faculty member I intend to work sent me an email notifying me that I was expecting admission, though official offer and details of funding are still unavailable until later in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvethiopia Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 6 hours ago, angel_kaye13 said: I wouldn't get too over-excited just yet, @Yanaka: while I don't doubt that some notifications COULD be going out, we're still in the midst of the science acceptances; we shouldn't be hearing back from US acceptances until February, at the earliest. Not that I doubt that this person could actually have gotten an acceptance already. It's just the odds are that most people in our field aren't getting notice until January, sciences come first. there's a comp/rhet acceptance from michigan state on the board.... *freaking out intensifies* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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