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eternallyephemeral last won the day on August 27 2017

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    2016 Fall
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    I/O psych/OB
  1. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Finally heard back from SSHRC directly, at Western U.
  2. Fall 2018 I/O Psy

    I'm in Canada, where it seems much more common to go right into a PhD (commonly a combined and fully funded Masters + PhD) from undergrad. That is what I did 1.5 years ago. However, I know that people do this in the US as well. It's not impossible to go straight into a PhD, but you need to recognize and plan for the effects of moving, isolating work, potentially having a bad supervisor (you can do everything right and still get into a terrible situation, unfortunately), basically not being able to leave for that many years without giving away everything you worked on, and having next to no structure with really distant and ambiguous deadlines. I'm not saying you can't do it because you are dealing with mental health problems, but it can already be hard enough without adding an extra challenge to the mix. So it's one thing to have done research, which is great, and to want to do in the future, which is awesome. It's another thing to be aware of all the extraneous issues that can come up, and to acknowledge those. The PhD is a long commitment, and I'm not saying you shouldn't do it - I am, and so are a lot of my colleagues. But many of us have been lucky. I've seen things go completely off the rails, and I've seen people take 7-10+ years for what is supposed to take 4-5. However, you should be earning money while you're in the PhD. In masters programs too. Some you can work at the same time, either full- or part-time, in others you can do internships, and I know a lot of people working during their PhDs. In my program, a lot of my colleagues make mad money - if you pile internships on top of scholarships on top of extra money from profs, you can make more money and save more (due to low COL areas) in our grad program than you would make if you left at the masters and started working (even at a taxed salary of 65-70k). Many grad students in other areas of psychology and other fields altogether make very little money and they have to deal with that for years. However, it is very easy (in my experience) to pick up other work as a grad student in IO, and this is corroborated by all the people I see on linkedin who are in IO grad programs making lots of money working on the side. Masters programs vary in price a lot, so you could look into one where you work would cover part of it, or where you could cover the cost with your work as you go to school part time or in the evenings.
  3. Advice needed: get a Phd or second master's?

    I don't see why you need to do either, especially right now. There are organizations using a behavioral science (i.e., psychological) approach to policy interventions right now. Combined with the fact that an MPP is basically an MBA for the non-profit world, it is best combined with practical experience before the degree for maximum benefit. I don't see why you can't work in a place that solves social problems and creates programs to do this, especially when those topics of interest are within your background already. The combination of social work and psychology already addresses two of the major fields in policy/social issues. Have you applied to positions? Have you even identified specific places you would work? Until you have tried that, how do you know what program you need, or whether now is the time to go into a program? I can tell you that a PhD will not be focusing on policy-level change, especially in psychology. You won't get more in the details than by doing a PhD, which doesn't seem related to your goals at all. I'd highly recommend getting into the workforce and making an impact that way before looking at more school.
  4. Fall 2018 I/O Psy

    Hi! When I applied, I heard back from Waterloo around Feb 5-9th, and one person I know who applied to St Mary's took quite a while to hear back, I think it was March/April, after she received another offer and accepted that one. I don't know if that is common, but the visit day for Waterloo was late February, so you have to hear back before that (and they typically give you a few weeks to get travel plans in order).
  5. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Haven't received that email yet either..
  6. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Thanks, good luck to everyone waiting!
  7. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Heard back from Western that I'm advancing. Guess they just missed the end-of-term deadline, but they sent it on one of the first days back.
  8. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Yeah that's possible, I'll check with someone else in my cohort. I do remember my administrator telling me that people only heard on the last day before the break, so I may have to wait (which is fine). Thanks!
  9. I/O Psychology

    1. This salary survey is a comprehensive look at IO salaries from SIOP members in industry and academia. To summarize, 110k in a city is definitely not the salary of someone with ten years experience. Starting salaries in consulting with a PhD range from 80ish thousand to 140k at the top consulting firms. Link: 2. The person who you're describing in your second post may have the position of full professor at your school, but they do not have all the responsibilities that most professors have when we use the term professors - on this site (and in most places), professors conduct research, advise graduate students, complete service duties such as serving on committees for admission and hiring, and may be in administrative positions in the university. A lecturer would teach a few classes either in person or online, but to make things clear, we make the distinction between these roles although the name of the position might be the same. You can definitely teach classes and consult, but it is less likely you will be a full-time research professor (i.e., you will do much more for the university than just teach) and have a substantial consulting component at the same time. That would be much less common, given how busy both of those positions are. 3. Your work-life balance can be as high or low as you want it to be - if you have high aspirations for your career, that will demand more of your time. It's possible to have a better balance, but if you want that through your life, the PhD won't help (as in during the degree and likely afterwards). 4. Regarding being both a consultant and an academic, you'll find there are many positions for IO psychologists in industry that use a lot of academic skills and may even have publishing opportunities. IO is rare in that you can do essentially everything that an academic does in industry, including being a PI, teaching people inside your organization or in schools in your area, learning new techniques, collecting data (sometimes more easily in industry than in academia), and supervising others.
  10. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Cool thanks! My department administrator said I would hear something this time if I made it through, whereas if I didn't hear anything last round (from the department to the university level), that meant I did make it through. That switch was very confusing! I just checked the Grad External Scholarship link (thanks for that!) but I didn't see anything for the doctoral scholarship (only my masters applications from this past year and the year before). Is the doctoral SSHRC supposed to show up there?
  11. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Unfortunately yes : ( If anyone else at Western has heard back, I'd love to know. Can't tell if I didn't hear anything because I didn't make it, or because they didn't notify anyone.
  12. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    @PsychBoy thanks I will! Hope they get to it before they close up for the entire break : )
  13. SSHRC Doctoral Award/CGS (funding for 2018-2019)

    Congrats! I'm supposed to hear back today, nothing yet though.
  14. Counseling or Industrial Organizational Psychology?!

    You don't need a business background to do IO, OB, or consumer psych (i.e., marketing). Most grad students in these areas nowadays are from psychology, so a strong research background is much more desirable than work experience. If you're referring to research-based masters and PhD programs, no work experience is required, but obviously some places take exception to that (i.e., Harvard's OB students all seem to have been in top-tier consulting jobs). Although salary estimates can be unreliable, the SIOP association does a rigorous salary survey of hundreds (maybe now thousands) of its members across degree type, years of experience, job type, and location for I/O positions. It is very favourable, as is the huge growth in jobs as predicted by the US department of labour and other sources.
  15. Job Skills "They" Don't (Really) Tell You Abou

    I completely agree that getting any experience consulting is really helpful for eventually making it into industry. Consulting has taught me so much about communicating the business or policy impact, understanding how to reframe non-scientific questions into scientific terms, but also (of course) how to reframe scientific terms into the jargon that fits the situation best. Consulting can help (though so can other things) by showing researchers that they do have valuable skills. Because it takes a lot of confidence to tell someone much more senior and more experienced than you what they should do, it can bring our sense of our own skill better in line with our actual ability. We know this can be very skewed, in the case of impostor syndrome, generally low self-esteem, and on the opposite end, in the case of arrogance and narcissism.